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Post by spos21ram on Dec 12, 2014 7:27:17 GMT -6
I don't think it's dumb at all. It's definitely not the norm at the high school level, but at least the AD is trying to better the coaching situation at your school. What he's doing isn't hurting any program so who cares. After a couple years he may see that it's not accomplishing what he thought and maybe he'll tweak and revise his strategy a little bit. I still don't understand how giving more money to coaches is a bad thing. So, there are scenarios where a lazy coach can make some extra money if they happen to make it deep in the playoffs. I don't believe this to be the majority of coaches though anywhere. If you're a bad lazy coach, then you aren't getting deep into the playoffs very often anyway. And guess what, if they do, then they gotta be doing something right.
It sounds to me like you have sour grapes because other sport coaches, which you see as inferior (tennis, golf,volleyball), have the opportunity to make some extra cash if their team makes the playoffs. In an Athletic Director's world, ALL TEAMS ARE EQUAL. This AD and most football loving AD's around the country would gladly give special bonuses to football only, but they can't. For example, if the head football coach here got 3K for winning a state championship, but the soccer coach only got 1K for theirs, then the soccer coach rightfully has a grief. I know if our school did something like this, all bonuses would be equal cross the board, no matter the sport. They would have to be.
I'll say it again. I see this plan as a nice gesture to all HC's, that's it. So why is this such a bad idea. For me personally if this happened here, I would say okay cool and that would be it. Will a couple extra K get coaches to stay or attract better coaches? Probably not, but he's giving out free money. How can any coach be against this? If the AD was taking money away from you for bad seasons then I would be acting like you are and be saying "what a stupid idea this". I don't understand why you're making a big deal about this.
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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 12, 2014 7:44:10 GMT -6
Brophy- part of my issue with it is that it does not reward to making the post-season. It only rewards for making the quarterfinals. I think if it was based on making the post-season, I'd be a lot better with it. Like I've mentioned, you can have a really good season, do a really good job, and not make the quarterfinals for a myriad of reasons. Making the post-season would be a solid benchmark, because that generally means you're running a competitive program.
Ram- sure, if you look at is as "free money" then I guess you're right. However, as I mentioned, this a county this is way behind in terms of facilities and coaching stipends. Part of my frustration with this is that I feel this money would be much better allocated in a different way such as upgrading facilities and increasing overall coaching stipends.
If you're an assistant coach busting your balls for $1700 a year, then the volleyball coach across the county makes more in a bonus than you do in an entire year, it's maddening.
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Post by utchuckd on Dec 12, 2014 7:51:02 GMT -6
This reminds me of a study I read about in a (I think Malcolm Gladwell) book where they took people from different cultures and said we're going to give $100 to person A, and he gets to decide how to split it up between himself and person B. After he decides who gets what, person B decides if he wants to take the deal, and if he says no then nobody gets any money. People from some cultures would say no to the deal if they we're going to get substantially less because they felt the split wasn't 'fair', and some other cultures would say yes regardless of the split because it's basically free money and as little as $10 was better than nothing. Maybe it doesn't apply here, but it made me think of the 'fairness' argument.
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Post by coachmonkey on Dec 12, 2014 8:17:10 GMT -6
Brophy- part of my issue with it is that it does not reward to making the post-season. It only rewards for making the quarterfinals. I think if it was based on making the post-season, I'd be a lot better with it. Like I've mentioned, you can have a really good season, do a really good job, and not make the quarterfinals for a myriad of reasons. Making the post-season would be a solid benchmark, because that generally means you're running a competitive program. Ram- sure, if you look at is as "free money" then I guess you're right. However, as I mentioned, this a county this is way behind in terms of facilities and coaching stipends. Part of my frustration with this is that I feel this money would be much better allocated in a different way such as upgrading facilities and increasing overall coaching stipends. If you're an assistant coach busting your balls for $1700 a year, then the volleyball coach across the county makes more in a bonus than you do in an entire year, it's maddening. So are you saying that none of your players receive outside help? Camps? Training etc? You seem to be arguing its a dumb policy because other coaches have offseason help from leagues AAU etc. Perhaps you should see if you can run your strength training program through school or summer school and get paid for that.
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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 12, 2014 10:29:42 GMT -6
Brophy- part of my issue with it is that it does not reward to making the post-season. It only rewards for making the quarterfinals. I think if it was based on making the post-season, I'd be a lot better with it. Like I've mentioned, you can have a really good season, do a really good job, and not make the quarterfinals for a myriad of reasons. Making the post-season would be a solid benchmark, because that generally means you're running a competitive program. Ram- sure, if you look at is as "free money" then I guess you're right. However, as I mentioned, this a county this is way behind in terms of facilities and coaching stipends. Part of my frustration with this is that I feel this money would be much better allocated in a different way such as upgrading facilities and increasing overall coaching stipends. If you're an assistant coach busting your balls for $1700 a year, then the volleyball coach across the county makes more in a bonus than you do in an entire year, it's maddening. So are you saying that none of your players receive outside help? Camps? Training etc? You seem to be arguing its a dumb policy because other coaches have offseason help from leagues AAU etc. Perhaps you should see if you can run your strength training program through school or summer school and get paid for that. Of course I'm not saying that, but since you brought it up, every coach on this board knows that the outside help that most get as a football coach is minimal. Outside of QB or kicker training, these "camps" are pretty much showcases and moneymakers. I seem to be arguing it's dumb for multiple reasons, you just chose to pick that one out and focus on it.
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