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Post by fantom on Dec 5, 2014 21:52:46 GMT -6
This was a state semifinal game. The team in red was down 14-12 with little time left. Final score: 19-14. Watch what happens.
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 5, 2014 22:28:34 GMT -6
As I understand it, the kick was blocked and the receiving team got so excited they forgot about the ball and the kicking team picked it up and ran it in?
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Post by fantom on Dec 5, 2014 22:36:34 GMT -6
As I understand it, the kick was blocked and the receiving team got so excited they forgot about the ball and the kicking team picked it up and ran it in? Yup.
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 5, 2014 23:21:57 GMT -6
LOL... ball never touches the ground beyond the LOS it is advancable... I work with our punt team on the same thing for when it is SUPER windy here. I've seen punts get caught up in the wind and blow back before hitting. Run that dang thing.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 6, 2014 8:15:55 GMT -6
It won't play for me. Was it off a FG? If so, of that is the rules fault. Because when you block an extra point the refs blow it dead, but if you block FG, it is still live and able to be advqnced by either team.
That is hard for players to understand. We go over it and remind them every week when we go over FG block, but still.
I think the rules should be once you kick it, you cannot advance it. That really is more in the spirit of what is trying to happen for both teams.
Also, what do you do on a blocked kick that stops one inch past the LOS or "expanded neutral zone" and one inch before it? The returning team has to vastly different responses on those situations. The first one they should get the heck out of the way. The second one they should try and scoop and score. But how can you tell the difference on something that close? The kickers can do the same response on both situations go pick it up and run with it. If they do it on the first one, the ball is just dead, but they prevent the R from returning it. If they do it on the second, the are actually advancing it.
I just think rules committee should change the rule so it is clear all the time, fair, and how the play of the game is intended to be. The kickers should never be rewarded when they get their kick blocked. Ever.
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Post by coachrdc on Dec 6, 2014 20:36:37 GMT -6
That is why I tell my guys to get on the ball AT ALL TIMES, PERIOD. Even if the whistle has blown and the ball is on the ground, one of us had better be the ones to pick it up and hand it to the official.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 6, 2014 21:15:01 GMT -6
That is why I tell my guys to get on the ball AT ALL TIMES, PERIOD. Even if the whistle has blown and the ball is on the ground, one of us had better be the ones to pick it up and hand it to the official. But coach, that can beat you too. Leon Lett??? If you block it and it goes past the LOS and you try and get on it and touch it and miss it and the kickers recover, they get 1st and 10!!!!
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Post by coachrdc on Dec 7, 2014 20:52:18 GMT -6
That is why I tell my guys to get on the ball AT ALL TIMES, PERIOD. Even if the whistle has blown and the ball is on the ground, one of us had better be the ones to pick it up and hand it to the official. But coach, that can beat you too. Leon Lett??? If you block it and it goes past the LOS and you try and get on it and touch it and miss it and the kickers recover, they get 1st and 10!!!! Oddly enough, I had that happen to me my first year as a ST coordinator (on a punt)! Sometimes you get burned, but I'd rather be aggressive in blocked kick situations than not.
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Post by fantom on Dec 7, 2014 20:59:50 GMT -6
But coach, that can beat you too. Leon Lett??? If you block it and it goes past the LOS and you try and get on it and touch it and miss it and the kickers recover, they get 1st and 10!!!! Oddly enough, I had that happen to me my first year as a ST coordinator (on a punt)! Sometimes you get burned, but I'd rather be aggressive in blocked kick situations than not. I don't think that the message us, "Don't aggressively try to block kicks". The message is that the play isn't over until the whistle blows.
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Post by coachrdc on Dec 8, 2014 10:53:01 GMT -6
Oddly enough, I had that happen to me my first year as a ST coordinator (on a punt)! Sometimes you get burned, but I'd rather be aggressive in blocked kick situations than not. I don't think that the message us, "Don't aggressively try to block kicks". The message is that the play isn't over until the whistle blows. No, I understand that was his message; and to add to your second sentence, my point is that in any situation where a kick is blocked, any kick at all, I want my team on the ball period. I would rather my team going after the ball and loose it than what happened in this video. Again, my first year as a ST coordinator we blocked a punt that wend beyond the LOS, they recovered in the scrum that ensued and the officials rightly gave them the ball because one of our guys had touched it while trying to recover it. I am okay with that, that is kind of a niche rule that to me is hard for a 16 or 17 year old to remember (at least the ones at the schools that I have been at). Rather than have indecision, I would rather my guys, as you said, play until the whistle blows. Also, silkyice, you will have to forgive me as I am 27 and can only assume the Leon Lett play you are talking about is the play in the Super Bowl where Don Bebe knocked the ball out through the end zone on a fumble recovery return. That was off of a strip sack wasn't it? There could be a different play I am not familiar with.
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Post by fantom on Dec 8, 2014 11:04:28 GMT -6
I don't think that the message us, "Don't aggressively try to block kicks". The message is that the play isn't over until the whistle blows. No, I understand that was his message; and to add to your second sentence, my point is that in any situation where a kick is blocked, any kick at all, I want my team on the ball period. I would rather my team going after the ball and loose it than what happened in this video. Again, my first year as a ST coordinator we blocked a punt that wend beyond the LOS, they recovered in the scrum that ensued and the officials rightly gave them the ball because one of our guys had touched it while trying to recover it. I am okay with that, that is kind of a niche rule that to me is hard for a 16 or 17 year old to remember (at least the ones at the schools that I have been at). Rather than have indecision, I would rather my guys, as you said, play until the whistle blows. Also, silkyice, you will have to forgive me as I am 27 and can only assume the Leon Lett play you are talking about is the play in the Super Bowl where Don Bebe knocked the ball out through the end zone on a fumble recovery return. That was off of a strip sack wasn't it? There could be a different play I am not familiar with.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 8, 2014 13:21:51 GMT -6
I don't think that the message us, "Don't aggressively try to block kicks". The message is that the play isn't over until the whistle blows. No, I understand that was his message; and to add to your second sentence, my point is that in any situation where a kick is blocked, any kick at all, I want my team on the ball period. I would rather my team going after the ball and loose it than what happened in this video. Again, my first year as a ST coordinator we blocked a punt that wend beyond the LOS, they recovered in the scrum that ensued and the officials rightly gave them the ball because one of our guys had touched it while trying to recover it. I am okay with that, that is kind of a niche rule that to me is hard for a 16 or 17 year old to remember (at least the ones at the schools that I have been at). Rather than have indecision, I would rather my guys, as you said, play until the whistle blows. Also, silkyice, you will have to forgive me as I am 27 and can only assume the Leon Lett play you are talking about is the play in the Super Bowl where Don Bebe knocked the ball out through the end zone on a fumble recovery return. That was off of a strip sack wasn't it? There could be a different play I am not familiar with. www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-thanksgiving/09000d5d81c608a4/Remembering-Lett-s-Thanksgiving-blunderAlso, Arkansas lost a Sugar Bowl game vs Ohio State a few years ago doing what you advocate also. If you block a punt or FG behind the LOS, don't fall on it, SCOOP and SCORE. Arkansas blocked it, fell on it, when the could have easily scooped and scored, and then threw and interception just a few plays later to lose. Block and behind LOS, scoop and score. Block and go over LOS - get away - peter. Block and behind LOS but we have won and don't need a score - just recover it. We go over this ever Wednesday during FG block session and every Thursday during ST review. It takes and extra 30 seconds a week to say those things once they know the rule.
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 8, 2014 18:43:30 GMT -6
I don't think that the message us, "Don't aggressively try to block kicks". The message is that the play isn't over until the whistle blows. No, I understand that was his message; and to add to your second sentence, my point is that in any situation where a kick is blocked, any kick at all, I want my team on the ball period. I would rather my team going after the ball and loose it than what happened in this video. Again, my first year as a ST coordinator we blocked a punt that wend beyond the LOS, they recovered in the scrum that ensued and the officials rightly gave them the ball because one of our guys had touched it while trying to recover it. I am okay with that, that is kind of a niche rule that to me is hard for a 16 or 17 year old to remember (at least the ones at the schools that I have been at). Rather than have indecision, I would rather my guys, as you said, play until the whistle blows. Also, silkyice, you will have to forgive me as I am 27 and can only assume the Leon Lett play you are talking about is the play in the Super Bowl where Don Bebe knocked the ball out through the end zone on a fumble recovery return. That was off of a strip sack wasn't it? There could be a different play I am not familiar with. Coach--- I am not sure why you feel the "rule" is hard for a 16/17 year old to remember, especially as a HS player, where federation rules don't really distinguish between punts or FG attempts. Rule is simple. You treat ALL balls that cross the line of scrimmage the same. I do not believe the rules differentiate between a ball being "blocked" or not. The rules just apply to balls that cross the line of scrimmage, and balls that don't. Just treat a blocked kick like you would treat a poorly kicked (shanked) punt or FG attempt. What do you tell your players to do in this case? That is all a blocked kick is, a poorly kicked ball.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Aug 13, 2015 19:56:41 GMT -6
Here was my team back in 2012.
If you want to skip ahead, at (3:50) is very similar to the learning point fantom highlights in the OP. But if you have a few minutes, watch the whole thing to appreciate the moment at the end.
Down 21-0...our first score was at 8:24 left in the 4th quarter.
At (3:18-yes I should have called a timeout as our personnel was incorrect-I was kicking my own a$$ after that), we missed the PAT to tie the game at 21. With about 2 minutes on the clock, I thought it was over.
At (3:50) we stopped them on downs and got back into FG territory with only about 20 seconds remaining...we were still down 20-21 at that point.
When the white hat signaled touchdown...it was absolute bedlam. 28 pts. in less than 9 minutes. I had a sharp minded coach who understood the rule and shouted for the LB to get the ball. He took it and the rest is history.
We never covered that type of situation with our kids. It could have easily happened to us. I actually felt bad for the kid on the other team. Then I got over it. They were a power in our conference and more than doubled our roster. Needless to say, we learned from it. Fortunately, we learned while still getting the win.
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Post by dubber on Aug 22, 2015 17:16:25 GMT -6
We were on the wrong side of this.....
At the end of the half, team goes for the FG and we block it. It goes past the LOS and our DT picks it up and flips it to the officials.
The official sidesteps the ball.
For about 4 seconds, both teams are walking to their respective sidelines.
Their kid finally heard coaches screaming (I think kid zone that stuff out after bad plays), and picks it up and scoots in.
We lost by a score.
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