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Post by phantom on Sept 23, 2007 13:07:03 GMT -6
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Post by utchuckd on Sept 23, 2007 13:48:58 GMT -6
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Post by phantom on Sept 23, 2007 19:07:28 GMT -6
Thanks. I'm glad that Gundy went off. I agree with him. No college kid should not be attacked that personally.
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Post by utchuckd on Sept 23, 2007 22:26:26 GMT -6
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Post by dawhitec on Sept 24, 2007 20:58:01 GMT -6
That's great to see a coach stick up for his kid like that. Maybe it was harsh, but I could care less. That was awesome.
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Post by brophy on Sept 24, 2007 21:30:35 GMT -6
you see how you can never win a fight with a guy who has a printing press? (ESPN is running the story like Gundy has lost his mind)
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Post by hemlock on Sept 25, 2007 5:48:27 GMT -6
For the most part the media consists of a bunch of weavels who are nothing more than professional gossipers. Rarely do they know much about what they are talking about. Tony Kornheiser is a perfect example - a man who makes a good living talking, passing judgment on, and commentating on something about which he knows absolutely nothing. Kudos to Mike Gundy.
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trojan
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Post by trojan on Sept 25, 2007 6:04:16 GMT -6
Hell yeah.
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Post by 1ispread on Sept 25, 2007 6:18:58 GMT -6
Brophy is right. you cant win against a printing press. Any veteran coach who has dealt with the press would advice you if you had a problem with something said or wrote go to that parson privately and handle it. You solve problems while maintaining a relationship with the press. Going off in public is usually the first step on the slippery slope of not being coach much longer
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Post by mike13 on Sept 25, 2007 7:02:39 GMT -6
Gundy just put in words what all of us have thought at one time or another. Sometimes you have to let people know your not going to take it anymore and d--n the consequences. I loved the part where he told the reporter to attack him instead of the kids. You have to respect a coach that puts his kids first.
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Post by spreadattack on Sept 25, 2007 7:43:40 GMT -6
I respect Gundy, what he did and what he said, but unfortunately this is not going to help him in the long run. If Okie State drops a few more games he could even wind up losing his job.
As brophy said, the media all stick together. They may not agree with some guy but they will never applaud you for attacking them.
It can be a no-win situation. But for today, I will simply say: Kudos Mike Gundy.
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Post by coachm on Sept 25, 2007 8:40:37 GMT -6
For the most part the media consists of a bunch of weavels who are nothing more than professional gossipers. Rarely do they know much about what they are talking about. Tony Kornheiser is a perfect example - a man who makes a good living talking, passing judgment on, and commentating on something about which he knows absolutely nothing. Kudos to Mike Gundy. shortly after Hurricane Katrina, I recall someone who was put in charge of the cleanup being asked by the media, inane questions of cleanup and when people will be back in their homes. his repsonse to to the obviously dumb questions being thrown at him was "let's not get stuck on stupid, people". Put's it about as clearly as can be stated about these guys without the expletives.
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Post by phantom on Sept 25, 2007 9:25:02 GMT -6
Brophy is right. you cant win against a printing press. Any veteran coach who has dealt with the press would advice you if you had a problem with something said or wrote go to that parson privately and handle it. You solve problems while maintaining a relationship with the press. Going off in public is usually the first step on the slippery slope of not being coach much longer Maybe but, as our esteemed colleague Sen. Blutarsky would say, sometimes you need to make a futile, stupid gesture. I enjoyed seeing Coach Gundy make it.
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Post by phantom on Sept 25, 2007 11:14:12 GMT -6
Something that I find funny is the disconnect between the media and everybody else. The media people are outraged. Almost everybody else couldn't agree with Gundy more. The free message board on OSU's Rivals site had three pages of messages most of which were on the topic of the tirade and every one that I saw was positive.
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Post by t on Sept 25, 2007 11:45:51 GMT -6
I think we all get like Coach Gundy from time to time, maybe more when we're losing, or things aren't goin right.
I TOTALLY AGREE! I probably would do the same thing myself. Here he is calling out the media. Forget free speech for a second and let's think about the kids.
More that was awesome was that he was starring down in the apparent way the writer who wrote the column.
He's just tryin to motivate the media to write something other than what was written. He is passionate; enough to the point where he's hollerin.
See, the politically correctedness of our society is so backwards. I don't know if the President of the University had a statement, but it's like... I think the majority of our nation gets it now, and are tired of it, and will continue to ignore it. And so could Coach and the kids. But that's just outrageous.
Let's have some humanity people, as the pen is mightier than the sword. Do some good with it. Why are so many writers so inhuman and looking to write "the story that's controversial"?
If they had any insight, they would write about the kids as individuals have accomplished in life.
BECAUSE IT'S DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL!!!
And not everyone, even myself has a chance to do that.
THEY'RE KIDS! LEAVE EM ALONE JACK!
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t
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Post by t on Sept 25, 2007 11:48:01 GMT -6
And what's more, Coach has the "freedom" to allow who he wants into the media room.
Guess who shouldn't be allowed anymore.
Kick em out.
Charlie Weis would do it.
The media must walk a fine line.
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Post by casec11 on Sept 25, 2007 11:59:38 GMT -6
I can't believe they are reporting Gundy went insane...what is insane is that media reportin he is A fox writer has it right: Video is there to msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7262930?MSNHPHCP>1=10437also: <object width="425" height="353"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/hnprxO7o1k0"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/hnprxO7o1k0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="353"></embed></object>
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Post by phantom on Sept 25, 2007 17:51:14 GMT -6
Another media guy who gets it is ESPN's Chris Mortensen. His son is a college QB (just out curiosity, does anybody know what college?). On Mike Tirico's radio show he said that he tends to side with Gundy.
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Post by fort on Sept 25, 2007 18:23:06 GMT -6
Another media guy who gets it is ESPN's Chris Mortensen. His son is a college QB (just out curiosity, does anybody know what college?). On Mike Tirico's radio show he said that he tends to side with Gundy. Started at Arkansas, but I think he's at Samford (I hope I'm spelling that right).
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Post by phantom on Sept 25, 2007 18:54:00 GMT -6
Thanks. I checked out Samford's site and Samford it is. He looks like his dad.
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Post by brophy on Sept 25, 2007 19:55:00 GMT -6
Something that I find funny is the disconnect between the media and everybody else. The media people are outraged. Almost everybody else couldn't agree with Gundy more. The free message board on OSU's Rivals site had three pages of messages most of which were on the topic of the tirade and every one that I saw was positive. yeah, I know.....weird, ain't it? By the sounds of ESPN, you'd think Gundy made racially charged threats at someone .... what kind of society are we living in?indeed
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danimal23
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Post by danimal23 on Sept 25, 2007 20:08:12 GMT -6
somewhere, Gil Thorpe is weeping.
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Post by dq on Sept 25, 2007 20:40:32 GMT -6
I bleed Purple and Gold, will fight for the SEC, but got mad love for the Big 12
That caoch defended a kid, thats what these college players are, kids, and i wish more
coaches would protect these amateur athletes. I understand we are to help raise them to
men but sometimes we care for certian kids more than others and apparently she touched
one of his own. As a player, as a human being, who wouldn't love to have someone take
thier back like that? I had a coach like that in high school i would have died for that man on
the field b/c he made me feel he would have done the same. We're the Bears from CHS
you've heard so much about ......
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Post by hemlock on Sept 26, 2007 5:27:56 GMT -6
It's all about loyalty. We preach absolute loyalty to the program and the program should be expected to show the same to those that make it go - the players. People who have never participated in a team activity such as football don't get this concept; they don't understand the idea that there is something greater than themselves. I am no longer coaching and am currently a scholar at a major Big 10 university and I can tell you that many of my collegues are spineless guttersnipes who would sell out their own mother if it served their purpose. For the most part, you don't see that in people that have played team sports that stress the collective. Most members of the media fall into this category.
However, I agree with one of the other posters. Unfortunately, when take the media you are going to lose. They always have the chalk last. Nonetheless, you will win where it matters - with your people.
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Post by airman on Sept 26, 2007 15:03:03 GMT -6
I think he made a ass out of himself. if the shoe were on the other foot would he want to be treated that way?
you get treated how you treat others. very simple concept. Bobby Knight for all his wins has yet to figure this out.
then there is the fact he lost his discipline. when you have emotional outbursts like that you no longer are thinking with your logical brain but your emotional brain. he is also failing to breath, which makes things worse.
I really think coaches should practice martial arts. the MA teach discipline which is some think sorely lacking in the the coaching profession.
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Post by brophy on Sept 26, 2007 17:00:33 GMT -6
I really think coaches should practice martial arts. the MA teach discipline which is some think sorely lacking in the the coaching profession. I have a black belt in Tae Bo
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Post by coachmacplains on Sept 27, 2007 9:19:35 GMT -6
I agree that Coach Gundy should have kept it under control and more respectful, but as has been mentioned, I really admire someone who stands by a player. With respect to response to media folks, Stoops has a good take I think.
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Post by coachf on Sept 27, 2007 11:45:22 GMT -6
I agree that he was standing up for what was right and all...but, he kinda made the point for the article. He made his QB sound like a total wimp.
Should the press rip a college kid? No, probably not. Should they criticize his play? That's fine. She may have over-stepped her boundaries, but I don't think she was writing something that was that far-fetched from what some fans would be saying. If I saw our struggling QB goofing off on the sidelines, or having his mother feed him, I would be ticked. And I bet a lot of people would be saying things 10x as bad.
Good to rip the drive by media, just a bad choice of who to defend, maybe?
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