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Post by gewingt on Nov 17, 2014 13:47:37 GMT -6
Just doing some research - in our past 5 seasons our school enrollment has dropped but we continue to play schools that our bigger. We have only played 15 games vs teams our size or smaller, we are 10-5. We have also played 35 games vs teams bigger then us (one group or even two group sizes above us) and we are 9-26. I'm looking at info from other states and how balance your schedule is? Just trying to get feedback to see if we can level the playing field where we play! Thank you for your input!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 15:28:43 GMT -6
We have a 6 class system in TN that just changed. It used to be that we only had 3 classes in the regular season, so schools of 1,000 would have to play district games vs. schools of 2000+ in the higher classification and schools of 150ish playing schools up to around 400. The middle class was around 400-1000. Then they'd split these in half for the playoffs with a convoluted BCS-like seeding system being used to fill in the slots with wildcards.
It was highly unpopular. What tended to happen was that a couple of good teams (not necessarily the biggest schools, but usually the wealthiest) would dominate each district while the smaller schools would get pummeled by the biggest schools every week. There were several district games that, even with the mercy rule, hit the 80 or 90 point mark. The talent disparities became embarrassing.
That's getting thrown out next year in favor of the "Super 32" plan, where the 32 largest schools are pulled out and given their own districts with all 32 teams getting automatic playoff berths. The other 300 or so schools are divided into 5 classes to make things more competitive by reducing the size disparities between schools. The smallest class will still go from 150-400ish, but the others will all be within a few hundred of each other, enrollment-wide.
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Post by coachorm on Nov 17, 2014 19:40:03 GMT -6
We have a 6 class system in TN that just changed. It used to be that we only had 3 classes in the regular season, so schools of 1,000 would have to play district games vs. schools of 2000+ in the higher classification and schools of 150ish playing schools up to around 400. The middle class was around 400-1000. Then they'd split these in half for the playoffs with a convoluted BCS-like seeding system being used to fill in the slots with wildcards. It was highly unpopular. What tended to happen was that a couple of good teams (not necessarily the biggest schools, but usually the wealthiest) would dominate each district while the smaller schools would get pummeled by the biggest schools every week. There were several district games that, even with the mercy rule, hit the 80 or 90 point mark. The talent disparities became embarrassing. That's getting thrown out next year in favor of the "Super 32" plan, where the 32 largest schools are pulled out and given their own districts with all 32 teams getting automatic playoff berths. The other 300 or so schools are divided into 5 classes to make things more competitive by reducing the size disparities between schools. The smallest class will still go from 150-400ish, but the others will all be within a few hundred of each other, enrollment-wide. Being that I am from TN too and going through this same change. One thing that is being talked about a lot now is how far teams are having to drive. The new district we are in has at least 2 games that will take 2 plus hours to reach. And we are one of the lucky teams because some are in districts where the closest team is an hour and a half. Something else I noticed the other day because the districts in 1-5a require you to be the top 4 in your district to make playoffs it is possible for us to go 6-4 and miss the playoffs and someone else go 4-6 and make the playoffs in the same district. Roll that around for a while. Some districts you will need only 2 or 3 district wins to make playoffs while in ours you will need 4 minimum. unless its one of those crazy years where everyone in district is beating each other back and forth.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 23:29:43 GMT -6
coachorm, some districts only have 5 teams, meaning that if you get 1 district win, you're in the playoffs at 1-9. My old school, which has won 6 games in 7 years, was excited about the new classifications. Then they saw their district, which is them, plus 6 teams who all made it to the second round this year (3 are still in the playoffs). They have to beat 3 of those to make it, while the next district to the east has 2 good teams and 3 vrwampuffs, but has teams driving 4 hours for games.
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Post by coachorm on Nov 18, 2014 0:06:58 GMT -6
coachorm, some districts only have 5 teams, meaning that if you get 1 district win, you're in the playoffs at 1-9. My old school, which has won 6 games in 7 years, was excited about the new classifications. Then they saw their district, which is them, plus 6 teams who all made it to the second round this year (3 are still in the playoffs). They have to beat 3 of those to make it, while the next district to the east has 2 good teams and 3 vrwampuffs, but has teams driving 4 hours for games. Yeah I figured that was the case. I haven't spent a ton of time looking at every district but I figured there would be some districts like that. Just IMO its all a ploy by the tssaa to detract everyone from the whole public v private split debate.
In all honesty though its not gonna matter how they organize it I don't see them being able to make all of us happy.
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Post by crock1615 on Nov 18, 2014 13:38:11 GMT -6
since we are talking about issues with the new TENN classification system, you guys take a look at regions 7-2A and 8-2A. Each of those has 5 teams, but each also has one team that is barred from the post-season for disciplinary reasons. So in theory you could go 0-10 in those regions and make the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 18:33:24 GMT -6
since we are talking about issues with the new TENN classification system, you guys take a look at regions 7-2A and 8-2A. Each of those has 5 teams, but each also has one team that is barred from the post-season for disciplinary reasons. So in theory you could go 0-10 in those regions and make the playoffs. Well if the 32 biggest get automatic berths for just being big schools, why not let some others in? We will play in a tough 8 team district, BTW. Sorry to hijack the thread, as it was purely unintentional, but that's how it's done in our state. |
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 18, 2014 19:56:44 GMT -6
We're in the Super 32 as a rural school in the same district as some Rutherford County schools. Yee-ha.
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