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Post by spos21ram on Nov 17, 2014 11:46:30 GMT -6
Our varsity season isn't going too well, but our freshmen team won the state championship this weekend. Finished 11-1 on the season. During camp we never know how we will do because every year the freshmen look so raw and clueless. We got better every week and were a very aggressive, power football team. Our FB/MLB will be moving up to varsity for our Thanksgiving Day game, might even start. This class could bring us out of the mediocrity we've been going through and bring us back to the power we use to be.
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 29, 2014 15:54:00 GMT -6
WTF? You have a freshmen state playoff?
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 29, 2014 16:02:56 GMT -6
WTF? You have a freshmen state playoff? Yes RI has a freshmen league with playoffs. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards |
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Post by olinecoach61 on Nov 29, 2014 17:20:10 GMT -6
We can't even get a logical system for varsity in ct, never mind frosh
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 29, 2014 17:49:59 GMT -6
WTF? You have a freshmen state playoff? Yes RI has a freshmen league with playoffs. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards Like the whole state has one league in which all freshmen teams play? How many teams are there? |
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 29, 2014 18:20:52 GMT -6
A little more than a third of the teams participate in the two freshmen leagues. Varsity has 4 Classes. Freshmen has two classes. RI is tiny. Only 45 or so total HS football teams. 16 of them are in freshmen football. The other teams just have their freshmen play JV or they play other freshmen teams in non league games.
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 29, 2014 18:39:13 GMT -6
A little more than a third of the teams participate in the two freshmen leagues. Varsity has 4 Classes. Freshmen has two classes. RI is tiny. Only 45 or so total HS football teams. 16 of them are in freshmen football. The other teams just have their freshmen play JV or they play other freshmen teams in non league games. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards Dang. There's like, ~100 in this section of CA and there's like a dozen sections or so. |
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Post by coach2013 on Dec 8, 2014 4:17:47 GMT -6
state champs for frosh sounds silly- but hey, congrats on the experience anyhow.
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Post by paulfrantz on Dec 13, 2014 16:28:01 GMT -6
Way to make light of someone's accomplishment 2013
Congratulations on your championship. Be proud of what you and your young men accomplished.
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Post by knightfan64 on Feb 11, 2015 5:45:36 GMT -6
Sounds like you have a good group of frosh coming up soon to varsity, congrats. So does RI give freshmen, JV, and Varsity titles?
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 11, 2015 7:57:19 GMT -6
Sounds like you have a good group of frosh coming up soon to varsity, congrats. So does RI give freshmen, JV, and Varsity titles? Only freshmen and Varsity. JV they keep standings on the state website, but it doesn't really mean anything because there are no awards or post season. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards |
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Post by knightfan64 on Feb 11, 2015 9:02:21 GMT -6
I primarily coach JV (no freshmen team at a small school, just JV and Varsity) so I find that pretty cool, we've had a great run of jv teams (8th-10th graders) the last few years and we, as a staff, have always wondered how we would stack up in the state. Also, finding info on jv teams sucks because no two schools keep updated records the same way, so a state website with that info would be cool to have
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 11, 2015 9:45:23 GMT -6
Having a real freshmen league with a post season keeps the kids interested and excited. If the average skilled player isn't playing any meaningful games until they are playing varsity, possibly junior year, kind of sucks.
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Post by knightfan64 on Feb 11, 2015 16:18:53 GMT -6
Having a real freshmen league with a post season keeps the kids interested and excited. If the average skilled player isn't playing any meaningful games until they are playing varsity, possibly junior year, kind of sucks. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards very true...our district actually plays for a jv championship for that reason we won it in 2013 and got a trophy and t-shirts which was pretty neat |
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Post by fantom on Feb 11, 2015 23:09:47 GMT -6
Having a real freshmen league with a post season keeps the kids interested and excited. If the average skilled player isn't playing any meaningful games until they are playing varsity, possibly junior year, kind of sucks. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards I have to disagree with the idea that games are only meaningful if they lead you toward a championship. If you love playing the game every game is meaningful. You only get so many games and then it's done forever. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 12, 2015 1:25:20 GMT -6
Having a real freshmen league with a post season keeps the kids interested and excited. If the average skilled player isn't playing any meaningful games until they are playing varsity, possibly junior year, kind of sucks. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards I have to disagree with the idea that games are only meaningful if they lead you toward a championship. If you love playing the game every game is meaningful. You only get so many games and then it's done forever. That's perhaps more perspective than most 14 year olds can muster. |
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 19, 2015 7:51:38 GMT -6
Way to make light of someone's accomplishment 2013 Congratulations on your championship. Be proud of what you and your young men accomplished. They're better than 16 teams. You have to quantify "state" in this statement. I don't think there's anything wrong with 2013's statement. At some point, you really are just handing out trophies. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 19, 2015 16:51:25 GMT -6
Way to make light of someone's accomplishment 2013 Congratulations on your championship. Be proud of what you and your young men accomplished. They're better than 16 teams. You have to quantify "state" in this statement. I don't think there's anything wrong with 2013's statement. At some point, you really are just handing out trophies. And the SEC and Big 10 have 14 teams... The Pac 12 has only a measely 12 teams. The Acc has a whopping 15 though, so I guess that makes it much more of an accomplishment.  But, since something is different than the way larrymoe does things... I mean, your team competes in a small classification correct? So any championship they win needs to be quantified. Your team could never defeat the likes of a West Monroe High School, or a Bishop Gorman, or a South Panola...much less the larger schools in your particular state right? So should your players ever win...they really are just handing out trophies right? |
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 20, 2015 7:24:44 GMT -6
2 of our 3 middle schools compete in a league that has enough teams to have 2 divisions. The St HS Assoc only allows them to play 8 games. So they play a 7 game season and then match up the #1s from each division against each other, then the #2s, etc..... to play the 8th game and to crown a champion. I think it's a pretty good idea.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 20, 2015 9:20:47 GMT -6
But, since something is different than the way larrymoe does things... I mean, your team competes in a small classification correct? So any championship they win needs to be quantified. Your team could never defeat the likes of a West Monroe High School, or a Bishop Gorman, or a South Panola...much less the larger schools in your particular state right? So should your players ever win...they really are just handing out trophies right? At what point did I say anything resembling this? But, you're right. I mean, hell, if you win one game why don't we give them something? Why don't we just name every victory ever a state championship? Upon reading the OP's post, they didn't even compete against 16 teams. There's 16 teams divided into two different divisions. It was an 8 team playoff. They don't compete against every freshmen team in the state. There's 8 teams who came together to play a "playoff" and they determined that to be the "state championship". Is that a big deal? Maybe, but it's hardly a good way to determine who the best team is. Look at this year's college football playoff. OSU would have never been in title contention in the BCS, but low and behold they won it. Unless you include every team in the state, then yes, you are just handing out trophies if you're going to call it a "state" championship. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 20, 2015 12:20:28 GMT -6
But, since something is different than the way larrymoe does things... I mean, your team competes in a small classification correct? So any championship they win needs to be quantified. Your team could never defeat the likes of a West Monroe High School, or a Bishop Gorman, or a South Panola...much less the larger schools in your particular state right? So should your players ever win...they really are just handing out trophies right? At what point did I say anything resembling this? You didn't. Because it applied to you and your club. That was the point. It is obvious that Rhode Island football is going to be different than much of the country due to geographic size and population. In many states, there are more football playing schools in one entire enrollment classification than RI has playing football as a state. Obviously they won't have many programs with a separate Frosh only team. I am not sure why a few coaches felt the need to express that they felt what RI does is silly (because it is different than what they are accustomed to) or equate this to handing out trophies. My point was just to point out as long as we are trying to "qualify" the achievement here, might as well do that for your school too. Like I said, chances are that your team, as well as any opponents you may have beaten would be using a running clock in the first half against teams like I have mentioned. So isn't celebrating any achievement you and your guys have done basically just handing out accolades? Actually, I believe the probably DID compete against "Every" frosh in the state (in their classification) Again, there are only 45 programs in the state total, and apparently 1/3 of those are able to field Frosh only teams. The rest probably cannot. Bottom line, Frosh state championships seem to be uncommon, and may be unique to RI. But keep in mind, RI is unique as well. Their entire state could be serviced by the Houston Metropolitan bus line, so things that they do might be different than things your state does. So, just because something is different than you are accustomed, doesn't devalue it. |
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 20, 2015 13:00:33 GMT -6
You didn't. Because it applied to you and your club. That was the point. It is obvious that Rhode Island football is going to be different than much of the country due to geographic size and population. In many states, there are more football playing schools in one entire enrollment classification than RI has playing football as a state. Obviously they won't have many programs with a separate Frosh only team. I am not sure why a few coaches felt the need to express that they felt what RI does is silly (because it is different than what they are accustomed to) or equate this to handing out trophies. My point was just to point out as long as we are trying to "qualify" the achievement here, might as well do that for your school too. Like I said, chances are that your team, as well as any opponents you may have beaten would be using a running clock in the first half against teams like I have mentioned. So isn't celebrating any achievement you and your guys have done basically just handing out accolades? Actually, I believe the probably DID compete against "Every" frosh in the state (in their classification) Again, there are only 45 programs in the state total, and apparently 1/3 of those are able to field Frosh only teams. The rest probably cannot. Bottom line, Frosh state championships seem to be uncommon, and may be unique to RI. But keep in mind, RI is unique as well. Their entire state could be serviced by the Houston Metropolitan bus line, so things that they do might be different than things your state does. So, just because something is different than you are accustomed, doesn't devalue it. "My club"? Thing is, we don't celebrate any "achievements". We made the quarters a couple years ago (Final 8 out of a potential 70 teams in our class) and we didn't even print up T-shirts. We don't go crazy for conference championships, we don't put a lot of stock into stuff like that. Especially at the freshman level, where success there really doesn't hold any indication to future success at higher levels. A lot of times it just means you more kids who have hit puberty than the other team. I'm not bashing it because it's different that what I'm accustomed to. I just question whether or not it's even an achievement. I wrestled in a tournament a few years ago where there were 5 guys in my weight and age bracket. The tournament called itself the Midwest Nationals. I got second. Does that mean I got 2nd in the nation? HEEEEEELLLL no. |
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Post by olinedude on Mar 4, 2015 11:59:29 GMT -6
congratulations coach! A championship is a championship.
With so few schools in RI are there big gaps in the enrollment of schools there? Do they have separate divisions for the size of schools?
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