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Post by tog on Apr 23, 2007 5:55:42 GMT -6
one trick ponys to me are
plays that you put in to hurt a defense, but require you to get into a set or use a motion that you don't normally use
if you get into this set or motion in a way that you normally do not and hurt a team with it, then next week the defense will be ready for it
how often do you guys add one trick pony plays to your offense?
I see both sides of it as long as there is some carryover within the offense, but just adding a play/action/blocking scheme for 2-3 plays for one game does not seem sound to me. I would rather work on ways to manipulate the regular bulk of the offense against the different looks we will see. The bulk of the offense has to be variable attack wise to begin with otherwise, why even run it?
just some thoughts going through my head
discuss?
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Post by coachcalande on Apr 23, 2007 6:29:22 GMT -6
I am not a big fan of "running plays" vs "running an offense"- sure those kinds of things can hurt a defense, but its all relative..it also steals time from your own team in terms of preparation in other areas. I have seen teams that put in a trick play or a one down deal win games with it...but far more seem to get nothing out of it.
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 23, 2007 8:24:00 GMT -6
We've done things just for an opponent but typically they are out of a regular look. For example, when we played our rival we ran a fake punt that looked just like our normal punt, at first. I agree that it's more effective to run something with carryover - kinda like Boise State did against Oklahoma with their trick plays ... they all were progressions from their regular playbook
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Post by bulldogoption on Apr 23, 2007 8:26:35 GMT -6
I agree, I am not afraid to put in something just for an opponent, but I try and make sure it comes from a look we've given already....
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Post by coachveer on Apr 23, 2007 8:28:55 GMT -6
We have in the past. Based on scouting..But the older we get the more we try to stay away from it. We just don't have the practice time to teach something that different.
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Post by dubber on Apr 23, 2007 8:43:32 GMT -6
Here's the question:
If what you put in gives you a sizeable advantage of suprise, and it takes longer for your future opponents to account for it in practice than it took you to put it in, THEN it COULD be worth it.
Come out in a funky formation (a really unbalanced set for example) and run jet sweep. First off, you'll probably out flank the D and get big yards, and future opponents have to account for that formation, taking time away from defending your base attack.
I guess for me, the real trick ponies (the ones that work the best) are formational. Run the same stuff, just give them the D something else to worry about during rec.
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Post by wingman on Apr 23, 2007 13:35:34 GMT -6
We'll do it just to have something new to throw at a defense but it will change week to week
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Apr 23, 2007 14:03:23 GMT -6
I agree with dubber. Formations take minimal practice time. We also like executing different shifts (usually shifting a TE to a SE side to create an unbalanced formation).
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Post by wingt74 on Apr 23, 2007 14:53:56 GMT -6
One trick ponies...have several uses.
1. Every game is a learning experience. That one trick pony play might end up being a big part of your offense down the line.
2. Players enjoy it! Something to get them excited, keep their interests up, etc.
3. It's 7-7. Nothing on offense is clicking. You scored a defensive TD. You just recovered a fumble inside your opponents 20. 1st and 2nd down you get nothing. It's 3rd and 9.
I use them and love them. in the situation I talking about in #3, usually I'll call the play, it's a different formation...and see how the defense reacts. Usually I can tell what my chances are. If they react well pre-snap...i'll call a timeout and figure something else out.
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Post by pigskin13 on Apr 23, 2007 18:34:57 GMT -6
I know we have in the past if we see the defense doing something we see on film vs. a particular formation and / or shift. What I really really REALLY LOVE LOVE LOVE is when you are calling the game and you are in the flow and you hold your "pony" for just the right time... you spring it and the guy drops the ball... or you come out in your funky formation and someone lines up off sides; because it usually seems that with the pony; you only get one shot at it.
So to answer your question; I guess I would have to say I love the pOny! Kinda like wingt74 said in #3: sometimes you gotta be able to have something to go to... completely change the flow of a stagnant offense.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 23, 2007 18:49:57 GMT -6
We have a couple but we are smart about them. They are out of formations we normally line up in. This year we used our #2 QB as a blocking WB a couple times in the playoffs. Then had him throw a pass aftre taking the handoff on a counter play.
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Post by Shotgun1 on Apr 23, 2007 20:53:11 GMT -6
I can see the one trick pony as both 1-2 plays that come out of a formation that you already run and a totally different set like unbalanced like Dubber mentioned above. The unbalanced set takes little time to implement and we zone block it. I love QB sweep/keep pass out of an unbalanced shotgun set with no huddle to change the tempo. The other play that just seems to keep helping us is the waggle continue. We hit the waggle continue 1-2 times a year as teams just forget about the HB as he chips the DE and just keeps going.
A few one trick ponies that take little practice time.
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