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Post by bluedevil58 on Nov 3, 2014 12:45:40 GMT -6
I've wrote about our situation on here before. It's bad.
We were 0-9 going into our last game against one of the best teams on our schedule. They talked about this team like they were going to play the Seahawks or something. They were probably the 2nd best team we played all year.
Out of 36 players on our roster, and 33 of those healthy,, 9 of them quit on us this week. 5 of them were starters and 6 of them were seniors. One quit the day of the game. Another quitter was a kid our HC bent over backwards to get eligible by week 7, filing 3 separate appeals with our state organization, only to have him quit after 3 games Then we got to the game and a freshman starter suddenly came down with an injury he'd "hidden" all week and refused to dress out.
I don't understand the psychology of our kids. We had only about 2/3 show up at practice on any given day and all they did was talk about how we couldn't win and there was no point in playing. In the 1st quarter, one of our starting LBs demanded to be taken out of the game because "There's no point! I'm just going to get hurt!" I think this is what our players were telling each other all week.
What can a coach even do in a situation like this? The players were afraid of this team. Not just intimidated, but literally afraid to play them, and it's been like that every year I've been at this school. I don't get it at all. Has anyone dealt with something similar?
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Post by dubber on Nov 3, 2014 13:20:07 GMT -6
There is nothing you can do about it in season.
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Post by amakelky on Nov 3, 2014 13:43:05 GMT -6
You need leaders in the huddle who tell kids with that attitude to get with the program or get off the field. Those types of games are tough to prepare kids for regardless. The best thing to do it set some realistic goals and find ways to create victories other than in the W/L column. No running clock, no 100 yd rusher, score 14 points, etc.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 4, 2014 7:46:05 GMT -6
Run. Like. Hell.
Seriously you need to get out of that place. Reading your posts I don't know how you have stayed sane. Sometimes you need to look out for yourself, you can't buy peace of mind. It may not be worth it anymore.
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Post by WTR on Nov 4, 2014 8:15:19 GMT -6
GET. OUT. NOW.
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 4, 2014 8:56:38 GMT -6
At least it's over now and you can GTFO.
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 4, 2014 11:09:32 GMT -6
Ah, Id play the kids that want to play.
When someone says things like "we will get killed" I don't play those guys any more. they cant be trusted. Find some scrappy kids, even if you have to play a bunch of tiny frosh, celebrate the small success but don't play the wimps/bullies that only seem to be healthy vs weak competition.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 4, 2014 13:47:52 GMT -6
We had a kid Week 9 telling everyone he wasn't going to play next year because "you guys are going to effing suck anyway".
Pulled him aside that night and told him to not bother getting on the bus.
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Post by bluedevil58 on Nov 4, 2014 18:52:01 GMT -6
I am leaving after this year.
After I tried to stop caring and decided to keep my mouth shut and just follow orders I felt were bad, the HC and his chosen successor warmed up to me. They started coming to me asking for input and our relationship improved, even though we kept doing an offense and defense of the week for the last 5 games. It was weird. Now they're saying the other guy may not get the HC job despite some family connections and some people are encouraging me to apply for it after I spent most of the past 3 years getting thrown under the bus and blamed for our 1-29 record since I came here.
I'm not going to do that, though. All year long, I felt bad because I thought we were letting these kids down. Then the players pull this stuff and it was clear that a lot of them never really cared and the ones who did gave up once senior night was over.
I'm going to move on, but is there anything a staff can do differently in this situation? I don't know what we could have done besides win a few games to keep the players interested. The last 2 games, we may as well have just canceled the rest of the season.
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 5, 2014 6:24:26 GMT -6
Any staff that has coaches on it that do not fully support the HC is doomed.
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Post by bluedevil58 on Nov 5, 2014 10:09:41 GMT -6
Any staff that has coaches on it that do not fully support the HC is doomed. I know what you're saying, but I did my best to support these guys, even when they made it very hard to do so. I've written about it elsewhere, but it was a mess. Our former HC left in July. Our interim HC missed half our practices with health problems. He even had heart troubles on the sidelines twice and had to sit out coaching. His buddy/chosen successor used his illnesses as chances to install the offense he wanted (a youth playbook he downloaded from the DC website) and renamed stuff we were already doing to what he wanted to call it. Then our interim HC would come back and switch us to something else. One week we were spread, one week it was Pro I belly series, another week it was Pistol jet series, then 3 wide with a TE, etc. Our players stayed confused all year. Most of our practices were just conditioning and walkthroughs on air while all the kids who didn't start loafed on the sidelines. I coached the OL, which I had to take over on a week's notice after our last OL coach had to retire with heart problems. The chosen one planned my Indy period for me, which was all bag drills , tennis ball drills, sled work, mirror drill, and king of boards. Despite this, the kids had to learn 3 different styles of blocking in 2 weeks at one point and would switch positions depending on what defense we were facing. We had no coherent blocking rules--all our plays were drawn up with the OL left blank and had words in them that could mean the same thing or something completely different depending on the formation we were in and front we saw. I got blamed for the line's poor performance in these circumstances. I got thrown under the bus to angry parents when they confronted one of those two and asked why their boy wasn't playing, even though those two set the depth charts. I also was routinely the last one to leave practice in spite of all this. It sucked, but I held on and never said anything bad about them or was unprofessional. I did my best to help. Then this happened in our last week. Tell me, how did I doom our team by not fully supporting our HC in this situation. I was at practice twice as much as he was this season! Sorry for the rant, but it was a frustrating year. I don't know how I could have been a better assistant. I tried very hard to be loyal and follow orders, even when I and the kids I coached were being put in an awful spot, and the two guys I worked for seemed to appreciate that, but then our team quit on us anyway.
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 5, 2014 10:31:01 GMT -6
Coach, I have been there and can tell you that you are spending far too much energy rehashing history.
forget it and go make a new chapter in your life. Its your movie and you are the star.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Nov 14, 2014 0:02:39 GMT -6
Glad you've decided to move on. However, your O.P. kid's "problem " was simply an outgrowth of the rest of the stuff you posted. In you O.P. you talked about the kids doing and saying this and that, but kids don't normally do stuff like this, well not in any program I've ever been around. Y'all had a "staff" infection of the worst order and the kids just picked-up on it and magnified it.
They were simply saying with their mouths what the HC and his little toad assistant were saying inside their heads. You can't blame the kids because the inmates are running the asylum.
Just that one paragraph about "getting thrown under the bus" shows a rudder-less program with serious internal/psychological problems. Nobody should be done this way, the kids pick up on this and magnify it.
It's not the kids, the kids are only going to be what they are directed to be. If you had a HC with at least "one eye and 1/2 sense" you don't have anything like this with the kids. That programs $ucks because someone has allowed it to $uck for too long.
Run away from this steaming POS as fast as possible, until they get somebody in there that knows what they are doing.
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Post by coachmonkey on Nov 14, 2014 8:50:06 GMT -6
I am leaving after this year. After I tried to stop caring and decided to keep my mouth shut and just follow orders I felt were bad, the HC and his chosen successor warmed up to me. They started coming to me asking for input and our relationship improved, even though we kept doing an offense and defense of the week for the last 5 games. It was weird. Now they're saying the other guy may not get the HC job despite some family connections and some people are encouraging me to apply for it after I spent most of the past 3 years getting thrown under the bus and blamed for our 1-29 record since I came here. I'm not going to do that, though. All year long, I felt bad because I thought we were letting these kids down. Then the players pull this stuff and it was clear that a lot of them never really cared and the ones who did gave up once senior night was over. I'm going to move on, but is there anything a staff can do differently in this situation? I don't know what we could have done besides win a few games to keep the players interested. The last 2 games, we may as well have just canceled the rest of the season. Off-Season training needs to be looked at. Reward kids for showing up. If they don't care it's because they are not putting enough into it. Football is like most things in life. You get out of it what you put in. Secondly, schedule as weak of a non-conference opponent as early in the season as you can. You need to get a W to gain confidence in what you are doing. Lastly, I (I don't know in your situation) but too many coaches on unsuccessful programs tell kids to do something without giving them the why. If you don't know they why, or can't give the why, don't do it. Kids have to be built up, not torn down. They don't need someone else yelling at them. Make a kid believe he has incredible self worth and he will give you incredible effort.
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Post by semiretired55 on Nov 15, 2014 19:14:49 GMT -6
Those who quit a sport should not be eligible to play another in that same school year. . . this was the norm at schools I coached at
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Post by irishdog on Nov 16, 2014 9:17:50 GMT -6
Either take the job if offered and clean house, or make a clean getaway.
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Post by coachmonkey on Nov 16, 2014 9:48:33 GMT -6
Those who quit a sport should not be eligible to play another in that same school year. . . this was the norm at schools I coached at I don't like this policy. If a kid wants to walk away let him. Why force someone to play if they don't want to? Why hurt another sport because he doesn't like one sport? I've never heard of this policy and wouldn't work at a school that did.
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Post by fantom on Nov 16, 2014 10:09:31 GMT -6
Those who quit a sport should not be eligible to play another in that same school year. . . this was the norm at schools I coached at I don't like this policy. If a kid wants to walk away let him. Why force someone to play if they don't want to? Why hurt another sport because he doesn't like one sport? I've never heard of this policy and wouldn't work at a school that did. We don't have this rule and I have misgivings about it but I understand it. At some places the basketball/wrestling/hockey coach will pressure kids to quit football when the winter season starts.
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Post by freezeoption on Nov 16, 2014 10:32:48 GMT -6
i have heard of it, i would be careful in letting kids come back on the team that quit, we had some quit, i probably won't take them back unless they do extra work and not miss off season and summer workouts, i hate quitters and ones that quit at the end of the season are really chicken feces, if a kid quits in the first week or two, then i understand the sport may not be for them i've coached wrestling and bball, i would never have my kids quit football to start those sports, that's crap too
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Post by CS on Nov 16, 2014 11:33:36 GMT -6
I don't like this policy. If a kid wants to walk away let him. Why force someone to play if they don't want to? Why hurt another sport because he doesn't like one sport? I've never heard of this policy and wouldn't work at a school that did. We don't have this rule and I have misgivings about it but I understand it. At some places the basketball/wrestling/hockey coach will pressure kids to quit football when the winter season starts. IMO the coach needs to be addressed then. Kids are ignorant.
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Post by s73 on Nov 16, 2014 11:54:54 GMT -6
I am leaving after this year. After I tried to stop caring and decided to keep my mouth shut and just follow orders I felt were bad, the HC and his chosen successor warmed up to me. They started coming to me asking for input and our relationship improved, even though we kept doing an offense and defense of the week for the last 5 games. It was weird. Now they're saying the other guy may not get the HC job despite some family connections and some people are encouraging me to apply for it after I spent most of the past 3 years getting thrown under the bus and blamed for our 1-29 record since I came here. I'm not going to do that, though. All year long, I felt bad because I thought we were letting these kids down. Then the players pull this stuff and it was clear that a lot of them never really cared and the ones who did gave up once senior night was over. I'm going to move on, but is there anything a staff can do differently in this situation? I don't know what we could have done besides win a few games to keep the players interested. The last 2 games, we may as well have just canceled the rest of the season. All I know is if they don't finish in good standing at our school they get no end of the season recognition at all from our athletic dept. That means no letter, certificates, no attendance to banquet, etc. Although it sounds like that may not be a deterrent for your guys bc they maybe just don't care, it has been a deterrent for our guys to finish when a season gets tough.
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Post by rathernot on Nov 18, 2014 8:31:06 GMT -6
I don't like this policy. If a kid wants to walk away let him. Why force someone to play if they don't want to? Why hurt another sport because he doesn't like one sport? I've never heard of this policy and wouldn't work at a school that did. We don't have this rule and I have misgivings about it but I understand it. At some places the basketball/wrestling/hockey coach will pressure kids to quit football when the winter season starts. Several schools around me have the rule in place that if you quit, you cannot begin practice for the next seasons sport until the previous season ends. I think this is a reasonable way to deal with the basketball coaches, etc..
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