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Post by olinecoach70 on Nov 1, 2014 13:27:24 GMT -6
Has anyone cut out Flex? I know I've heard of programs that just go straight into a extra Indy or Fundy period. I feel like flex is a lot of the time a waste. Thoughts, opinions?
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Post by olinecoach70 on Nov 1, 2014 13:27:59 GMT -6
Flex (stretch)
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 1, 2014 13:32:44 GMT -6
Not only a waste of time but also negatively affects performance.
Post practice stretch is a good move, however.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 1, 2014 13:44:13 GMT -6
Not only a waste of time but also negatively affects performance. Probably not true in the cases of "team stretch" as performed by 99% of those teams that do a static stretch period. Still a waste of time and has shown no benefit, as opposed to long stretches after which do. |
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Post by blb on Nov 1, 2014 14:11:44 GMT -6
Not only a waste of time but also negatively affects performance. Post practice stretch is a good move, however.
Not arguing your premise (because I think you might be right) -
But, why do so many teams do Static Stretch for after Half time Warm up?
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Post by olinecoach70 on Nov 1, 2014 15:33:02 GMT -6
We do a team dynamic stretch (high knees, lunges, sprint, etc) but it has always seemed like a waste of up to 15 mins to me. Do y'all just go into Indy?
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 1, 2014 15:55:04 GMT -6
We do a team dynamic stretch (high knees, lunges, sprint, etc) but it has always seemed like a waste of up to 15 mins to me. Do y'all just go into Indy? You are describing two different things. Dynamic warm ups vs "stretch" or static stretching. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Nov 1, 2014 16:26:58 GMT -6
We do a team dynamic stretch (high knees, lunges, sprint, etc) but it has always seemed like a waste of up to 15 mins to me. Do y'all just go into Indy? I would just cut it down. We do dynamic stretch in our defensive groups to start practice, but it's five minutes tops. We do a form jog, high knees, butt kicks, toe touches, "monster walks", one more form jog, a few different static stretches and then it's into our pursuit drill or we just stay in defensive indy. I do agree that a team stretch is a waste of time. I coached in one program where our stretch routine plus jumping jacks was so long that we'd be 20 minutes into practice...and that would be all that we'd accomplished  |
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 1, 2014 16:56:43 GMT -6
Not only a waste of time but also negatively affects performance. Post practice stretch is a good move, however.
Not arguing your premise (because I think you might be right) -
But, why do so many teams do Static Stretch for after Half time Warm up?
Can't say because I've never really asked anyone who does. My best guess would be "because we always have..." For us, we do a dynamic warm up pre-game/practice and halftime. If I had my way, we would do indy group dynamic warm ups before getting going into practice. Stuff like position specific footwork or movement drills (DBs backpedaling/weaving/COD, LBs on stepover bags, DL working get offs/COD) which opens up time for scheme specific things (reads/reactions, football skills like block destruction). coachd5085 - I think I'm having a dense moment, but I feel like you're making a similar point to me? |
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Post by dlundberg on Nov 2, 2014 8:52:39 GMT -6
Has anyone cut out Flex? I know I've heard of programs that just go straight into a extra Indy or Fundy period. I feel like flex is a lot of the time a waste. Thoughts, opinions? Coach, when I played in college each position was responsible for their pre game and pre practice stretching |
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 2, 2014 17:03:53 GMT -6
We still go as a team, but we call it 'Warm Up' instead of stretch or flex. All dynamic to get heart rate going just a little bit, joints lubricated, muscles warmed up and ready.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 2, 2014 17:24:23 GMT -6
coachd5085 - I think I'm having a dense moment, but I feel like you're making a similar point to me? As far as not really having a benefit to static stretching...yes. But my other point was that the "stretching decreases power" is mostly what I call "pocket protector" exercise phys, and I don't know that teams that use static stretching do so in the manner reported on in those loss of power studies--nor do they perform in a manner as those tested in those studies. |
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 2, 2014 19:11:40 GMT -6
coachd5085 - I think I'm having a dense moment, but I feel like you're making a similar point to me? As far as not really having a benefit to static stretching...yes. But my other point was that the "stretching decreases power" is mostly what I call "pocket protector" exercise phys, and I don't know that teams that use static stretching do so in the manner reported on in those loss of power studies--nor do they perform in a manner as those tested in those studies. Gotcha. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 2, 2014 20:45:17 GMT -6
As far as not really having a benefit to static stretching...yes. But my other point was that the "stretching decreases power" is mostly what I call "pocket protector" exercise phys, and I don't know that teams that use static stretching do so in the manner reported on in those loss of power studies--nor do they perform in a manner as those tested in those studies. Gotcha. And I need to clarify.. no benefit to pre activity static stretching with regard to injury prevention. Plenty of benefit to static stretching, but doing them prior to activity to prevent injury is not one of them. |
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Post by Coach.A on Nov 2, 2014 20:58:18 GMT -6
We have eliminated team stretch/warm up and replaced it with positional periods that start low tempo and gradually build to full speed. Occasionally these periods will include a hip mobility circuit for the linemen which is similar to your basic dynamic warm up.
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Post by stone65 on Nov 2, 2014 21:24:38 GMT -6
We went from a static stretch to a dynamic stretch this year and has cut out about 5 minutes
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 2, 2014 21:32:49 GMT -6
warm up = get blood flow increase in muscles, increase heart rate, heat up the synovial fluid in the joints, heat up the tendons & ligaments (preparing the joints for exercise is just as important as preparing the muscles)
does "stretching" do that?
dynamic "stretching" is really just "warming up" and since for ever and a day we coaches say we "need to stretch", when we learned that warming up wasn't bending over & touching our toes we still felt the need to include the term stretching ... therefore the term "dynamic stretching" is now synonymous with "warming up" (i.e. dynamic warmup)
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Post by carookie on Nov 2, 2014 21:45:20 GMT -6
Whhy do teams static stretch? As far as I have seen its because what we've always done before; and since teams that won before did it, who are we to question it.
I like to joke with another coach on staff that we static stretch so we can show how organized we are (getting in lines, putting our helmets down on the same side). And we do jumping jacks to scare the opposition with our ability to loudly spell in unison.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 2, 2014 22:30:43 GMT -6
We do DROM (dynamic range of motion) and it takes 4-5 minutes. Then we are right into indy.
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 3, 2014 5:30:07 GMT -6
We go right into a team drill first. Game day we come out and run 6-8 plays and then play. We come out for the first time with about 8-10 minutes before teams are announced. Luckily we are on a 22 game winning streak so no-one wants to do differently, not that I would. I agree with the other posters that static stretch is a waste before the activities.
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Post by Coach.A on Nov 3, 2014 12:00:15 GMT -6
We go right into a team drill first. Game day we come out and run 6-8 plays and then play. We come out for the first time with about 8-10 minutes before teams are announced. Luckily we are on a 22 game winning streak so no-one wants to do differently, not that I would. I agree with the other posters that static stretch is a waste before the activities. , to clarify...on game days you don't do any positional drills, punting, kicking, etc. You just come out as a team and run 6-8 offensive plays then right to kickoff? How soon before kickoff do your players arrive at the field? |
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Post by resdeal on Nov 3, 2014 12:12:31 GMT -6
In college the only time we stretched as a team was at Friday's practice and pregame. It was up to each player to get stretched. The only players that really stretched were the punters and kickers and it was a mixture of static and dynamic stretching.
I coach HS football and MS basketball. We never static stretch in basketball. Dynamic warmups only. We take about 10 minutes to go through them and we are off. I have never had a BB player get hurt because they did not static stretch.
Our HS football players like to static stretch because it is part of the routine. we do it at every practice and pregame.
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Post by mrjvi on Nov 3, 2014 20:18:21 GMT -6
Yes, we come out and run some plays. Our kicker kicks a few from the sideline to another kid. We meet as a team inside 1/2 hour before kick-off. We talk and maybe show a video to pump them up for 10 minutes, then start to the field. We first get on the field @ 12-15 minutes before kick off. Seems to work for us. We seem to have plenty of energy at the start of the game.
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