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Post by rbcrusaders on Oct 7, 2014 19:23:49 GMT -6
How do you go about it with limited numbers?
Basically how the guys I coach for now just yell at them, tell them they're {censored} etc. At one point he got pissed and said this is pointless and walked off.
Please help me with any suggestions
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Post by CS on Oct 7, 2014 19:37:56 GMT -6
Get a new coach to run it
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Post by wolverine55 on Oct 7, 2014 19:54:05 GMT -6
The big thing with scout team--I think anyway--is to really emphasize the positive. We have enough numbers as a coaching staff to where me and another coach are able to run the scout offense. More him than me, but we go nuts in a good way whenever we run a play that gains positive yards. "Way to go, Scouts!" "Hey, keep kicking their ass, Scouts!" and stuff like that. We have our scouts get a break whenever the session is over just like the defense does: "Scouts on three...1..2...3...SCOUTS!" and stuff like that.
One thing that helps too is a lot of teams in our district run some sort of two-back shotgun stuff, so I can almost always tell the OL to block the play as if it's one of our plays and give them an exact play call. That obviously helps with their confidence too.
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Post by Wingtman on Oct 7, 2014 21:07:29 GMT -6
We reward those kids with a scout team player of the week. They get a certificate, are next in line behind the seniors in lines for stuff. Get 3 SPOW, you get a mini helmet. Also, we reward them with no conditioning if they get a stop on D, or score a TD on Scout o.
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Post by carookie on Oct 7, 2014 21:28:38 GMT -6
Be as basic and simple with the instructions as you can. Remember you are asking them to do full speed something they are learning right now against an opponent (your starters) who are going full speed something they should know well. If your scout team is able to execute the opponent stuff as well as your starters then you're probably overly complex and not coaching well. So just give them a small movement to execute and let it build from there.
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Post by fantom on Oct 7, 2014 23:05:44 GMT -6
How do you go about it with limited numbers? Basically how the guys I coach for now just yell at them, tell them they're {censored} etc. At one point he got pissed and said this is pointless and walked off. Please help me with any suggestions Do you have scout cards and a script?
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Post by jsk002 on Oct 8, 2014 6:13:15 GMT -6
I think the problem is sometimes with low numbers those scout guys aren't any good. So it is difficult to get any sort of tempo. This is what I battle. We have cards, a script and our O-Coordinator running the scout. We also have a practice player of the week and we talk a lot about the importance of their jobs and how that relates to us winning a game. All this said - we do not get a very good look.
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Post by tekart on Oct 8, 2014 6:45:32 GMT -6
We yell out what play the offense is running and try to get our scout to get there. They are obviously not as good as the other guys or they would be playing and not on scout so give them every advantage you can to give your guys a look. They will still probably get hammered on but at least they may somewhat flow to the ball like the team you are playing on Friday.
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Post by coachgtiller on Oct 8, 2014 6:49:39 GMT -6
Our kids take pride in being on the "Blue Squad", our school colors are blue and white and our regular practice jerseys are white so our scout team wears blue shimmels. Something we did early in the summer is anytime somebody on scout makes a good play all the scout coaches will yell blue squad, sounds quirky but the kids bought in. Now the kids are the one's yelling it. We also have a coach who takes pride in running our scout offense, he goes crazy if they have to reload a play cuz we didn't defend it right. The kids feed off of him and work hard. We are fortunate enough to usually get a pretty decent look just cuz he gets them fired up.
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Post by gibbs72 on Oct 8, 2014 8:11:04 GMT -6
We create practice games with winners and losers with deck stacked heavily against the varsity. One of my favorites is the 15 play march. Give the ball to the varsity O on the 50. The drill begins with the varsity O having 5 gassers and the JV/ scout having 0 gassers. The O runs a play and a coach marks the ball. The O only has 15 total plays: no downs. If the offense scores, a gasser is taken from the O and given to the JV/ Scout. If the JV/ Scout gets a turnover, the ball is taken back to the 50. I love it for 2 reasons: the O has to value each play because if they take 9 plays to score, that only gives them 6 plays left to score 4 more times to get rid of all their running. The other reason I like it is because the JV/ Scout can choose to give effort or choose to run a lot at the end. It's been great for us!!
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Post by coachphillip on Oct 8, 2014 8:49:49 GMT -6
Scout team has to be fun. It's all about getting a group of kids to have fun by getting the first team in trouble. Your coaches have to be passionate and really focus on the positives. You're an idiot if you blow a gasket over a scrub not being able to run plays they've never seen before well enough to score on your starters. Kids work harder when they're having fun.
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Post by tekart on Oct 8, 2014 9:39:48 GMT -6
We create practice games with winners and losers with deck stacked heavily against the varsity. One of my favorites is the 15 play march. Give the ball to the varsity O on the 50. The drill begins with the varsity O having 5 gassers and the JV/ scout having 0 gassers. The O runs a play and a coach marks the ball. The O only has 15 total plays: no downs. If the offense scores, a gasser is taken from the O and given to the JV/ Scout. If the JV/ Scout gets a turnover, the ball is taken back to the 50. I love it for 2 reasons: the O has to value each play because if they take 9 plays to score, that only gives them 6 plays left to score 4 more times to get rid of all their running. The other reason I like it is because the JV/ Scout can choose to give effort or choose to run a lot at the end. It's been great for us!! Coach, are you going thud. Or is this a live drill for you guys?
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Post by rbcrusaders on Oct 8, 2014 12:35:16 GMT -6
it is thud
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Post by fantom on Oct 8, 2014 12:44:06 GMT -6
Again, though, do you have scout cards and a script?
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Post by greendog on Oct 8, 2014 13:50:21 GMT -6
Something we had to change this year for our varisty defense vs scout Offense. We told our varsity D linemane they were full live for 3 steps and then shut it down. They still get much of the technique, but don't completely disrupt the scout offense play. Our problem was our varsity D tore our scout Offense a new one, and my varsity LB's could get a decent scout Offense look. This has helped a lot.
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Post by gibbs72 on Oct 8, 2014 16:35:17 GMT -6
Mostly live. . . It's only 15 plays
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Post by Chris Clement on Oct 9, 2014 11:43:47 GMT -6
I'm the Scout O major domo, and we make it all about fun. Some things:
We make it a personal challenge to have fewer repeats because our picture was bad than because the D messed up.
Spot the ball where the scout O has a reasonable shot at scoring, we use the +40-45.
Cheat a little, take advantage of knowing the script beforehand to give a more exact idea of what and how to block/run
Define passing progressions, I R4 all the pass plays for the QB for a few reasons. 1) it gives him something to work on that ties into our O, 2) it increases our chance of scoring, 3) it gets him more engaged, he's not just standing around and throwing at whatever, which means more completions and more engaged receivers
I open up as much of the other team's offense as I can, I try to give them as many reads and route conversions as I dare, let the OL make calls as appropriate
I translate as much as I can into our O, if they run IZ slightly different but it's not critical, we'll just run our own IZ and have the guys go through all the same motions. This increases carryover, success, and buy-in from the players.
We have a brief scout O meeting every week so we're aware of the motions and we've seen stuff before it's drawn on a card.
I give a fair bit of leeway for playing different positions. Part of it is necessity but every OL and WR wants a shot at playing TE, let different guys run the jet stuff, whatever.
I go nuts and cheer when we make a big play, I make them feel special.
I stick up for them when the DC gets pissy about something.
I make a big deal of it when we catch the D messing up. I know it's probably not because of our magnificent work but I make them feel like we beat the starting D.
A healthy dose of all the other team's trick plays
Emphasize that scout O gets to run all the fun new plays every week against the top D, instead of running the same boring plays every day against the scout D, so for four days a week our job is way better.
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Post by CoachWeitz on Oct 13, 2014 10:18:53 GMT -6
I've found a few things that have helped, now we're at a big school so some of this stuff probably won't work at a small school but it's worked well for us.
I think the biggest thing without a doubt is to be positive and have fun with it and try to make it something they want to be a part of.
Without a doubt the biggest success I've found is by convincing the players they have an impact and what they are doing means something. I've always been of the belief that kids want to help the team and have a roll but don't always understand how what they're doing helps the team and think that they're just wasting their time. My best example of this is a game we killed the Varsity D with jet sweep, that Friday night they shut down the jet sweep, we made a point to bring that up to the scout team and all of a sudden they see the connection.
Your goal is to get the most out of players that are limited, when you look at it like that it can be a fun challenge. I like to go MacGyver on it and really find any piece that we can use to our advantage. For example we had a kid who could run an amazing jet sweep (same one from above) but couldn't catch the ball or block to save his life. He became our speed guy who everytime we had a jet or a jet fake he came in gave him something to take pride in. Other examples that people mentioned above would be the lineman or RBs who want to play TE. I just always make sure I'm communicating with them if some weeks we're using them and other weeks we aren't.
Also the only ones who are on the field behind the offense are the ones I'm using everyone else is on the sideline, makes it a little more elite to be out there, you really don't want to be a guy that isn't even in the mix for scout team.
Lastly the most important thing I ever learned running scout o was from our LB coach he told me I've never seen a scout O-lineman called for holding.
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