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Post by fantom on Sept 11, 2014 11:47:39 GMT -6
This was mentioned in another thread. Rather than hijack that thread I'll ask the question here: How many of you do Oklahoma Drill? If you do it, how often?
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Post by blb on Sept 11, 2014 11:55:16 GMT -6
This was mentioned in another thread. Rather than hijack that thread I'll ask the question here: How many of you do Oklahoma Drill? If you do it, how often?
If you define "Oklahoma Drill" as one OL vs. one DL with a BC, we do it once - afternoon of first day of pads, after we spend morning on blocking-block protection and tackling.
We then do 3-on-3, Inside and Outside Drills, and Team (either Full or Half Line).
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Post by fantom on Sept 11, 2014 12:16:42 GMT -6
This was mentioned in another thread. Rather than hijack that thread I'll ask the question here: How many of you do Oklahoma Drill? If you do it, how often?
If you define "Oklahoma Drill" as one OL vs. one DL with a BC, we do it once - afternoon of first day of pads, after we spend morning on blocking-block protection and tackling.
We then do 3-on-3, Inside and Outside Drills, and Team (either Full or Half Line).
That's how I define it although I'd include the version where, besides the linemen, they also have a WR blocking a DB.
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Post by gibbs72 on Sept 11, 2014 12:20:57 GMT -6
We do a version of this drill the first practice with pads and maybe another one the week after. Good early on for kids to transition from blocking/ tackling with bags to live action. After that I think you're better off refining skills and focusing on technique rather than beating the snot out of each other.
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Post by agap on Sept 11, 2014 12:32:02 GMT -6
We don't do it. Personally I don't see the purpose of it. I'd rather work on technique or the game plan for the week.
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Post by newhope on Sept 11, 2014 12:54:36 GMT -6
First day of hitting in full pads.
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Post by fantom on Sept 11, 2014 13:10:23 GMT -6
We don't do it. Personally I don't see the purpose of it. I'd rather work on technique or the game plan for the week. That's where we are. We used to do what others have mentioned, doing Oklahoma and other hitting drills on the first day of pads but decided a few years ago that there wasn't any need for it.
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Post by coachphillip on Sept 11, 2014 14:16:13 GMT -6
I do them twice over the course of the summer for a breath of fresh air. I pick out the kids before hand and write it on the schedule so our coaches don't go rogue. I usually do three reps. So over the course of the entire year, I would have six individual reps of it. Kids love it like that. They keep asking me when they'll do it again. I think that will lose it's novelty soon as per the other thread. Lol
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Post by dubber on Sept 11, 2014 21:48:57 GMT -6
We stopped doing this years ago. We stopped doing king of the boards this year.
The only value I see in these drills is the competition piece, and we would rather get that in 1-on-1 pass rush and working zone combos (1 DL, 2 OL), because those drills also allow us to work on technique.
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Post by blb on Sept 11, 2014 22:01:13 GMT -6
If you define "Oklahoma Drill" as one OL vs. one DL with a BC, we do it once - afternoon of first day of pads, after we spend morning on blocking-block protection and tackling.
We then do 3-on-3, Inside and Outside Drills, and Team (either Full or Half Line).
That's how I define it although I'd include the version where, besides the linemen, they also have a WR blocking a DB.
We used to do it that way too. Got it from Dick Crum when he was head coach at North Carolina.
However when we had numbers, it took too long to get everybody enough reps on both sides of the ball.
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Post by blb on Sept 11, 2014 22:03:15 GMT -6
We don't do it. Personally I don't see the purpose of it. I'd rather work on technique or the game plan for the week.
I wouldn't do it in-season, either.
However, early on when kids are first in pads - there is no more basic technique than winning the 1-on-1 battle when you're at the POA.
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Post by fantom on Sept 11, 2014 22:09:51 GMT -6
We don't do it. Personally I don't see the purpose of it. I'd rather work on technique or the game plan for the week.
I wouldn't do it in-season, either.
However, early on when kids are first in pads - there is no more basic technique than winning the 1-on-1 battle when you're at the POA.
Yeah, I'm not arguing against it. We just decided that we didn't need it.
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Post by blb on Sept 11, 2014 22:44:09 GMT -6
I wouldn't do it in-season, either.
However, early on when kids are first in pads - there is no more basic technique than winning the 1-on-1 battle when you're at the POA.
Yeah, I'm not arguing against it. We just decided that we didn't need it.
Now that we have one less day in full pads and four less "Collision" practices during Two-a-days thanks to state association, not sure we can take the time to do it anymore either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 5:10:45 GMT -6
We did it once this year. We do the three man version.
At my last school, we did a 7 man version with 2 blockers, a QB, and a BC vs 2 DL and a LB. I didn't care for that. It always turned into an injury risking cluster.
The school I was at before didn't do Oklahoma at all, but we'd get the whole team together for 5 min of board drills at 8 side by side stations every day for 5 min until the season started, then do it once a week. That team was very physical.
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Post by PSS on Sept 12, 2014 8:39:08 GMT -6
Can't remember the last time we actually did Oklahoma Drill. IMO, you're opening yourself up to problems if you don't spend the time teaching proper tackling technique and do it the first day of pads.
We don't even tackle to the ground anymore, just hard "thud" up. Rarely will be go full pads after our last scrimmage.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 12, 2014 9:37:40 GMT -6
We have moved away from it the last few years but have replaced it with the vortex drill, dl vs ol lb vs rb db vs wr staggered at 5 yards with cones going out getting wider and one ball carrier. We can get more position specific work done I feel rather than just mashing them all in there and creating a giant cluster. We do it wed of camp after a few days of hitting and blocking fundamentals.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 12, 2014 10:41:24 GMT -6
we do that, we call it spider, not sure why
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Post by jsk002 on Sept 12, 2014 11:06:09 GMT -6
We haven't done Oklahoma drill for a lot of years. We went back to it this year because we were young and needed to learn how to compete and be physical. So we did this 1 or 2 times a week once we could go full contact leading up to the first game.
In season I am doing just 1 OL versus 1 DL - who can win that battle about twice a week. Each kid gets about 1 or 2 reps. I'm doing it to continue to develop competitiveness and physicality. This is the most contact I've done in years. Last year, we didn't even use practice pants - this year we do a little full contact 2 to 3 times a week (10 minutes a period or so).
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Post by nerfhunter13 on Sept 12, 2014 11:52:01 GMT -6
How do you weigh the pros to cons when it comes to "young and not physical" and getting young guys hurt?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 14:09:53 GMT -6
How do you weigh the pros to cons when it comes to "young and not physical" and getting young guys hurt? Why not match the young and not physical ones up on each other so they're less likely to hurt each other?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 14:12:06 GMT -6
We have moved away from it the last few years but have replaced it with the vortex drill, dl vs ol lb vs rb db vs wr staggered at 5 yards with cones going out getting wider and one ball carrier. We can get more position specific work done I feel rather than just mashing them all in there and creating a giant cluster. We do it wed of camp after a few days of hitting and blocking fundamentals. Carson Newman does something similar. They call it "Victory Drill." The only difference is that they don't widen.
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Post by morris on Sept 12, 2014 15:58:33 GMT -6
We do slow Oklahoma. It works like this. Two OL, one LB and one DL. The defense can align however as long as we get a DL and. LB. The OL work their zone combo to the LB. A coach or sometimes player walks trying to score the walker is down when he is tagged. So the Ol is blocking much longer. It's been a great little drill for us. We don't do the traditional OK.
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Post by td4tc on Sept 14, 2014 21:38:43 GMT -6
We have moved away from it the last few years but have replaced it with the vortex drill, dl vs ol lb vs rb db vs wr staggered at 5 yards with cones going out getting wider and one ball carrier. We can get more position specific work done I feel rather than just mashing them all in there and creating a giant cluster. We do it wed of camp after a few days of hitting and blocking fundamentals. We learned this as the "Georgia drill". We do it a lot with quick whistles accepting the injury issues because it is a great competition drill and great for evaluating kids in "one on one" situations. Good pick me up for a sluggish practice. Like my boy Herm Edwards used to say "when you're one on one, YOU GOTTA WIN". I love the guy form St John's who doesn't hit in practice but that doesn't work for me in HS. We hit every day. With quick whistles.
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 15, 2014 6:23:53 GMT -6
We don't do it. Personally I don't see the purpose of it. I'd rather work on technique or the game plan for the week. Well there is a purpose to contact drills. When we all teach proper form tackling the first day of practice it's not very game like. How many times in a game do you see a player tackle that way? You have to go live a little bit during the week. You're not going to get good at something if you don't do it at game speed. I think tackling has gotten worse over the years because no body hits in practice anymore. I'm not saying go kill each other for an hour a day going live, but I feel you have to a little bit unless you're team's tackling is flawless in the games, then I wouldn't hit at all in practice.
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Post by agap on Sept 15, 2014 10:09:28 GMT -6
We don't do it. Personally I don't see the purpose of it. I'd rather work on technique or the game plan for the week. Well there is a purpose to contact drills. When we all teach proper form tackling the first day of practice it's not very game like. How many times in a game do you see a player tackle that way? You have to go live a little bit during the week. You're not going to get good at something if you don't do it at game speed. I think tackling has gotten worse over the years because no body hits in practice anymore. I'm not saying go kill each other for an hour a day going live, but I feel you have to a little bit unless you're team's tackling is flawless in the games, then I wouldn't hit at all in practice. I don't think tackling in Oklahoma drill is realistic either. If you want game-like tackling, why not just tackle during group or team?
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Post by fantom on Sept 15, 2014 10:22:53 GMT -6
Well there is a purpose to contact drills. When we all teach proper form tackling the first day of practice it's not very game like. How many times in a game do you see a player tackle that way? You have to go live a little bit during the week. You're not going to get good at something if you don't do it at game speed. I think tackling has gotten worse over the years because no body hits in practice anymore. I'm not saying go kill each other for an hour a day going live, but I feel you have to a little bit unless you're team's tackling is flawless in the games, then I wouldn't hit at all in practice. I don't think tackling in Oklahoma drill is realistic either. If you want game-like tackling, why not just tackle during group or team? I just don't see where there's time to fit Oklahoma into an in-season practice schedule.
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 15, 2014 10:45:32 GMT -6
I don't think tackling in Oklahoma drill is realistic either. If you want game-like tackling, why not just tackle during group or team? I just don't see where there's time to fit Oklahoma into an in-season practice schedule. I was more talking general contact in practice.
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Post by fantom on Sept 15, 2014 12:53:22 GMT -6
I just don't see where there's time to fit Oklahoma into an in-season practice schedule. I was more talking general contact in practice. We have physical practices, although we don't tackle to the ground. It's stuff like Oklahoma or even King of the Boards that I have an issue because I don't see them as cost-effect in terms of practice time.
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Post by rbcrusaders on Sept 15, 2014 18:03:15 GMT -6
if it were up to some of the guys on my staff, wed do that damn drill every day
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Post by 44dlcoach on Sept 15, 2014 21:27:58 GMT -6
We still do it in individual at least once a week, but in a very controlled situation. The running back doesn't get a two way go, we know before the snap if he is going to the defender's gap, or if he will go to the other side of the blocker so we can work on crossing a blocker's face to get in on a tackle. The RB waits for the defender to get his work in against the blocker before he runs, and the tackle part of it is at about 3/4 speed. Really just using it as a chance to rep the technique of ripping off and making a decent tackle immediately after getting off the block.
We used to do a full speed version of the drill similar to what others have described one time within the first day or so of pads, but didn't do it this year and I'm glad we didn't. Felt like we always came out of that day with one or two kids fighting through a rolled ankle for the first few weeks of the season.
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