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Post by davecisar on Nov 24, 2007 10:59:11 GMT -6
Tom Osborne had a press conference at 9:30 am CST to announce the firing of Bill Callahan at NU. In a very professional press conference TO made it official. In a very compassionate move TO is giving all the assistants a full years pay, something not in anyones contract. TO has always been an assistant coaches best friend. BEst of luck to them all in their future endevours.
TO gave no indication who his candiates were or how soon he would hire someone.
Yesterdays game was not as close as the score indicated (65-51). NU had 34 straight points put up on them.
Some stats on how far the NU program has fallen: In 2007 476 yards per game given up on defense. Outdistancing the former record set in 1948 by nearly 100 yards.
455 Total points given up, beating previous record by 120 points set in 14 game season ( we played 12 this year) In just one of Tom Osbornes 25 seasons did he have a team that gave up more than 200 points. That is less than an astounding half of this seasons number. *(208 in 1991)
Just second losing season in over 40 years, Callahan had the other one as well. Only NU team in history to give up more than 40 points in more than 3 games. This years team did it 6 times. Just one takeaway in last 7 games. In bottom 10 in the nation in almost every defensive category. Tickets available in front of the stadium for less than face value. Interest at an all time High in Division II here as players that would have played at NU as walk ons are now playing for #1 University of Nebraska Omaha and #3 Chadron State University Im sure the coaches at these 2 schools are not happy about seeing any changes.
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Post by Yash on Nov 24, 2007 11:44:18 GMT -6
I'm not saying that Calahan did a great job, but this isn't Tom Osborne's Nebraska nor will it be. yes the defense needs to get better, but the talent isn't going to just hoard to Nebraska like it used to because they have a chance to play at up and comers like Missouri or Chadron State. Unless a kid is really dedicated to the program hes not going to walk on when he can get a ride at Mizzou or Kansas. I'm not saying Nebraska can't win, but they aren't going to be the team that they were in the 80s and mid 90s because the landscape of college football has changed and no one will ever be that dominent. Even USC can't put together 12 perfect games a year.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 24, 2007 11:46:55 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of the spread but only because I like running the option and read out of it. Nebraska needs to go back to its roots and run 'I' and become a rushing power house again. Should never have changed in the first place.
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Post by davecisar on Nov 24, 2007 12:16:35 GMT -6
I'm not saying that Calahan did a great job, but this isn't Tom Osborne's Nebraska nor will it be. yes the defense needs to get better, but the talent isn't going to just hoard to Nebraska like it used to because they have a chance to play at up and comers like Missouri or Chadron State. Unless a kid is really dedicated to the program hes not going to walk on when he can get a ride at Mizzou or Kansas. I'm not saying Nebraska can't win, but they aren't going to be the team that they were in the 80s and mid 90s because the landscape of college football has changed and no one will ever be that dominent. Even USC can't put together 12 perfect games a year. The last National Title NU won was in 1997, less than 10 years ago. NU played for a National Title in January 2002. People here arent expecting 60-3 like TO did his last 5 years, but they dont expect 2 losing seasons out of 4 and getting bombed by very average teams or even Ball State. DII schools only give partial scholarships and places like Chadron State have just a handfull or partials to give out, they are in the bottom 20% for number of partials. NU has always had to fight that battle and won when walkons were treated well, ( allowed to actually warm up with the team on the gamefield before games, not so under BC) and given a fair shot. Maybe since the talent isnt going to "hoard" to Nebraska, they might think about choosing a scheme where they arent competing with every school in the country for the top NFL bound kids on offense. TO never had top 20 recruiting classes and maybe thats the direction they go, anyones guess. We really dont have that many kids going out of state on scholarship and my guess as Missouri and Kansas built good teams with zero football tradition and substandard budgets and facilities as well as 2 and 3 star kids ( KU has 28 kids from Texas on their squad). NU can probably do the same with the right guy given the great facilities, tradition, support and massive budget etc. One would think so. Mind you according to several of the biggest recruiting sources. NU had top 10 and even top 5 recruiting classes the last few years under BC and this years top Elite 11 QB Blaine Gabbert signed on to NU,< 14 days ago he decommitted because of the unrest and Mizzou has him. Mizzou is #3 right now, so if they and other top 10 programs wanted him you think he may be ok. Marlon Lucky was recruited by Pete Carrol personally at USC< 5 star etc he came here, so maybe not as bleak as some might think. As always comes down to coaching, priorities and evaluating talent properly. Something Mark MAngino at Ku seems to be doing real well with right now. Other storied programs have fallen for a short time and risen back, USC, texas, OU etc, time will tell. No more from me until the next coach has been selected and announced, ,best of luck to whoever gets the nod. With LSU not playing for a National Title makes it easier to hire Mr Pelini, if thats the direction they want to go. Anyones guess.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 24, 2007 13:13:30 GMT -6
Dave, just wanted to let you know that if you guys do indeed approach Pelini for the HC job, you should do it RIGHT NOW, as I can guarantee you that if Bo announced today he was leaving LSU to take the NU job, he wouldn't have to wait 10 min to have over 1,000 volunteers to pack his house and ship him out.
This is the reason I am fairly certain that Miles going to Michigan is now a serious possibility, if not a probability.
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Post by kylem56 on Nov 24, 2007 14:36:31 GMT -6
enter Paul Johnson
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Post by khalfie on Nov 24, 2007 14:39:26 GMT -6
Word on the street is that Bo Pellini has the inside track to the job... 5...4...3...2...
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 24, 2007 15:55:35 GMT -6
enter Paul Johnson Paul Johnson will definitely be considered for some of the upcoming job openings.
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 24, 2007 17:03:22 GMT -6
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Post by CVBears on Nov 24, 2007 18:50:26 GMT -6
A couple of questions that may pertain here, maybe not...
Does NU have payers recruited primarily from nebraska/ surrounding area?
Does the majority of those high schools run I/option football?
If these are "yes", that is the only possible way I can understand the argument of "nebraska should go back to the I where their roots are" etc.
If a kid grows up in his developmental years in DW and then goes to AirRaid, he might not be that successful. Same for the reverse. If Nebraska's developmental teams (read teams that they recruit from) are all I/option teams/ground pounders, then I could possibly see the argument of what their base should be.
(***I still think that this argument is a huge stretch, but it is the only thing that that remotely makes sense for a college program to change its scheme. And even then, I think the answer of "recruit other players" exists)
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 24, 2007 18:54:32 GMT -6
Actually I don't consider it being a "change in scheme"....They ran it forever up until Callahan came along.
I don't agree with the argument that you have to recruit from the offense you want to run. Any good running back (D1 recruit) can be a RB in the I option game. The only position where it would help to have experience in the option is the QB and now a days alot of HS teams are either still running a type of option game or run a type of option out of the gun. It's not that hard.
If Navy can be successful at what they do with the talent they have Nebraska can make a comeback woth the I option very easily.
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Post by hemlock on Nov 25, 2007 9:13:53 GMT -6
I don't want this to degenerate into "fan-talk." So lets put our venom aside ever so briefly and just understand a couple facts: Nebraska will never be what it was - PERIOD. Neither will Alabama, Miami, or any other storied powerhouse. They will still have the prestige and name that goes with being a traditional program, but the beauty of parity has made boring dominance a thing of the past. Nebraska will, I'm sure, have great teams in the future, but they will also have painfully mediocre teams. It will not be because of the new coach, but just because of the nature of the college landscape these days. The Big 12 North is quickly becoming a very good conference again. KU will not got away, and neither will MU. CU is on the rise and so is KSU. This will be a very good division next year and for years to come. The division is chocked full of excellent coaches who are building programs for the long haul. NU will have to contend with that and simply being NU will no longer be enough. Having coached in the Big 12 for six years I've visited each campus and town, not simply on road trips, but also during the recruiting period. I'm not cracking on NU, but there are plenty places in the BIG 12 that are better than both Lincoln and NU. Sure, tradition is nice, but many of today's student athletes are looking for at other things as well. NU is nice and so is Lincoln, but as a kid I might be more impressed with Boulder or Lawrence. Just objective thoughts. Not saying that one is simply better than the other.
Today's kids are as impressed with "tradition" as they once were. For many, its a distant concept that exists in an even more temporally remote "epic" past. These are all things that are making it harder for "traditional" powerhouses to simply rake in the players like they did.
BTW, KU and MU have both invested heavily over the past decade in football. KU's facilities have been excellent since Mason was there and MU invested heavily in them during Larry Smith's tenure. KU is currently building a new complex near the stadium that will house only the football program with three adjoining full length practice fields. So, the long and the short of it is that the money is there at these programs to compete in the facilities arms race of college football.
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Post by davecisar on Nov 25, 2007 10:01:09 GMT -6
[There is no venom in words or implied in this thread. From Budgetary standpoint NU has consistently been second to Texas over the past decade and has fan support unparalleled evidenced by consecutive sellouts for over 45 years or the fact at many away games the NU fans make up over 1/3 of the crowd, ( even at the Notre Dame and USC games) For most teams like KU or MU it's big news when they sellout a single game or even have a winning season or go to a Bowl game, for others like NU it is earth shattering news when those things dont happen. There have always been one hit wonders one-three year spikes in the conference. CU won a National Title and Played for another, KU, KSU, OSU and MU have had top 20 and even top 10 seasons here and there. According to most experts, NU has good talent. If KU, MU and Boisie can get it, no reason why NU cant do the same. If it's primarily a Jimmies and Joes world, what is proposed by many is" "Good players and good facilities= good teams". If that premise is true, then there shouldnt be any problem having consistently competitive teams here. Osborne has said NU needs an identity it lost under BC, something his former coaching adversaries told him from Colorado and Oklahoma. HE said he didnt mean that the new regime had to run "wishbone or I-option" but that teams no longer feared NU or were feeling the effects of playing us 2-3 weeks later. There is "something missing, a lack of instensity, something underlying because we have good players". Aaron Taylor former 97 Outland trophy winner said after watching the team and studying film, said " What shocked me was the utter lack of good fundamentals. In the NFL they expect you to know this stuff coming in, in College the kids have to be developed". My guess is the same goes for the lack of any meaningful contact in practices etc. OU and Ohio State and others continue to dominate in College Football just like 5,10,20,30,40 years ago. NU plays in NAtional Title games in January of 1998 and January of 2002, College football has not changed that much since then, what changed was our coaching staff, priorities and approach to the game. During that time frame the facilities and player quality improved as well. what didnt improve was the W/L ratio and in fact a wholesale drop off in competitiveness by using nearly any measuring stick. Osbornes press conference: www.journalstar.com/media/view/?mid=M4748650c9627dHe starts off by saying he hated to be in a postion to judge anyone and obviously is pained by the process. He had only fired 2 people in 25 years of coaching. Very cool, off the cuff and down to earth. Starting QB Joe GAnz" It's part of football. Coach Osborne is a legend, he knows what he is doing and will get the right coaching staff in here to get the job done. The team has all the confidence in the world in Coach Osborne". Seems like the players are ready for a change as well under the covers. For me the underlying interesting question is what does it take to be a consistently competiitive ( top 20) team in College football? I like to know the same answer at the High School and Youth level as well and thats why I really like studying those consistently dominant programs as well as the ones that consistently do poorly also.
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Post by hemlock on Nov 25, 2007 18:41:37 GMT -6
I respect your mastery over the "facts" but we need to read between the lines. All budgets in the Big 12 are big, that is not really at issue any more. Some are gigantic. I don't think you need that to be a truly dominant program. Look at the Yankees in MLB.
I've seen Osborne's conference and I have actually coached against him. He is a great coach and I think he handled the situation with class. That is not at issue. What is at issue is that dominant programs of the future will not be dynasties. The very fact that kids want to play at Boise State, Hawai'i, or Kansas tells us that the metric has changed. I don't think that you will see truly dominant programs or truly horrible ones for that matter. It's easier today for programs such as Temple or Buffalo that were once doormats to make progress and compete with the big boys. Just look at the leap that both of the aforementioned programs have made in a single year. What is happened is that programs such as 'Bama, Nebraska, etc are not all that "special" in and of themselves - its the game of college football that is superceded individual programs.
Also, I don't think you can compare college football to either high school or youth. Both are community centered; you coach and develop what your community offers. Some places are more loaded than others. You can't bring kids to your district like you can in college ball.
The question about attitude is interesting and very revealing. I don't think hitting in practice necessarily makes a team more physical. This is what Osborne and McCartney and guys from their generation know an believe in. That's fine; however, many successful programs don't buy into it to such a degree. See Dennis Erickson, a coach whose college pedigree is beyond reproach. It's clear that Osborne wants a guy who buys into what he believes Nebraska's identity should be. That's great and its his right. My only problems, and its just my opinion, is that I don't believe that the premise of changing the NU football culture (not the tradition) was itself such a bad idea.
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Post by davecisar on Nov 26, 2007 9:11:28 GMT -6
Amazing what 2 years of good coaching can make at a program. Buffalo won 5 games total in the 4 years prior to Gill getting there. They won 5 this season and pressed for a Division Title. If the players and facilties are evening out as you suggest, I guess the differentiator is coaching and scheme ;D
The coaching quest started yesterday with Osborne and Perlman stopping in Baton Rouge via Private plane and talking to Pelini for 2 1/2 hours, then on to Atlanta for the night.
Speculation is they are looking at Kelly and Grobe. NU has permission to talk to Gill from Buffalo and they are interviewing him today or tommorrow. My guess is this will be settled quickly, not the 45 day fiasco last time that saw the former AD gasping at straws. His first choice was Wannstead ( said no) and it looks like he isnt going to cut it as a HC at the college level either.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 26, 2007 10:40:46 GMT -6
We are a coaching board so topics need to be related more to actual "football" topics rather than gossip, news, hearsay, rumor, or opinion that is prevalent on "fan" sites. Not that we can't discuss the world around us ... but, there is a fine line between discussing something from a coach perspective and debating something from a fan perspective.
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 26, 2007 11:40:36 GMT -6
Here's a "coaching" question: How do you account (and is there any truth) to the notion that a particular program (HS or college) is a smashmouth or running team, and can't be converted to being a "passing school" etc. I guess it gets into the limits of tradition. I tend to think that USC did pretty well as a "passing school" with Palmer/Leinert as it did as Tailback U, but these are questions. It comes up a lot at Nebraska.
I have seen passing coaches get brought down by taking over high-profile HS teams that had a "tradition" of running. There are practicalities of getting your players ready to catch the football. When Mumme/Leach took over Kentucky Bill Curry had built up an option/power team (though they had Tim Couch). Somewhat similarly Leach took over Texas Tech which had been a fairly power oriented team under Spike Dykes.
Anyway, just curious what your thoughts are. It seems clear to me that Osborne is not looking to hire Mike Leach for this job.
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Post by burtledog on Nov 26, 2007 16:35:12 GMT -6
I don't think it was wanting to pass more or go to a WCO that hurt Callahan. It was his failure to adapt to the talent he had when he started (see Hatcher at Ga. So) and well not taking the tradition into account. Saying he only cared about the future, taking down the keepsakes of the past, excluding the former players and friends of the program. Not to mention he had no resume as a head coach. He did it for two years. SB with another coaches team where that coach beat him with another coaches team. And then a year where they fell apart...Gannon being beat up didn't help, but neither did his coaching. The lesson for folks is don't tick people off for no reason. If you go into a school with tradition, don't dismiss it, appropriate it for yourself and build off of it. If it is unhealthy, then tactfully change it. Grace Alone, Greg
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Post by coachjd on Nov 26, 2007 17:57:55 GMT -6
I know this time of the year, we are all checking the espn ticker to see who got whacked from their current ncaa or nfl job, but lets just remember that this board is about football coaching X and O's, not a rivals.com football fan board.
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Post by tog on Nov 26, 2007 18:01:44 GMT -6
We are a coaching board so topics need to be related more to actual "football" topics rather than gossip, news, hearsay, rumor, or opinion that is prevalent on "fan" sites. Not that we can't discuss the world around us ... but, there is a fine line between discussing something from a coach perspective and debating something from a fan perspective. I know this time of the year, we are all checking the espn ticker to see who got whacked from their current ncaa or nfl job, but lets just remember that this board is about football coaching X and O's, not a rivals.com football fan board. as our moderators have pointed out this is not the place for job gossip there are other places to talk about job gossip this thread is locked if someone else wants to talk about some of the good questions that spreadattack and others here have brought up here in this thread please, feel free to start a new thread this one is only being left up as a reminder that this is not what this board is for. thanks
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