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Post by coachphillip on Aug 11, 2014 13:33:26 GMT -6
Just was reading an article in the local paper about a "QB guru" who was responsible for the development of David Fales, the record setting QB at San Jose State. He coaches a crop of young QBs and trains them to be ready for the pros. The whole time I was reading this, I just kept having this icky feeling. I just knew that if I was dealing with this guy that I would be ticked. I don't know. Maybe that's just me.
Have any of you ever dealt with something like this? Not a strength guy, a guy teaching your players actual on the field technique.
How did you feel about it?
What did you get out of it? What problems or benefits were attributed to this guy's involvement?
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 11, 2014 13:34:21 GMT -6
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Post by souza12 on Aug 11, 2014 14:50:03 GMT -6
These "gurus" typically get to guys for their own marketing. They will charge the average kid $100 a session but will train the "right" kid for free. In other words, a kid that is already established and one he can put on his resume. The success of the player becomes the guru's own success and people start throwin money at them.
I dont doubt they are good at what they do, but I bet there are many coaches that have much more to do with the development of say a David Fales. In addition, the person most responsible for David Fales' development is Fales himself
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Post by carookie on Aug 11, 2014 19:21:14 GMT -6
Dealt with them, heck I've coached with a bunch of guys who do this. It does get weird when kids from other schools are doing work with our kids in the offseason, or even weirder when one of our coaches is giving advice to a kid on another team after a 7-on-7. The guys have all known their stuff, for a lot of them its their job and how they pay their bills.
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Post by mariner42 on Aug 11, 2014 19:44:29 GMT -6
Just going to point out that Fales' OC at Palma was Chris Dalman, so I don't think it's out of the question that MAYBE he had some decent coaching in HS, too.
My friend trained with an outside QB coach when we were in HS, I don't know how he paid for it since he was easily the poorest kid I knew. I don't think it helped all that much because he greatest asset to us was his speed (4.5 40) foremost and his arm second.
I think it's hard to draw a line with this, specifically with QBs. I'd wholeheartedly endorse one of my kids going to see Darin Slack, but would hate to have him go to what's-his-face The Dreammaker QB guy. I dunno.
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 12, 2014 8:34:19 GMT -6
I was thinking the same thing, Mariner. "This kid went to Palma. They aren't too shabby on their own staff."
I just think it's a bit of a gray area. If you're not on staff, you're going to tell a kid how to hold a ball and how to throw the ball and how to read a certain pass concept? I don't get it. What if the OC doesn't want it read that way or the QB coach prefers a different ball placement? How much does the kid's actual coaching staff allow to be in the hands of the guru? I would be ticked if I told one of my ILB his stance was wrong and he told me "Dream maker says this is how all the pro ILB stand!"
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 13, 2014 20:16:21 GMT -6
I do think there is a difference between the fundamental performance and the scheme related instruction. Many QB fundamental skills (particularly throwing) are fairly independent of scheme. So if a QB is throwing the ball with the correct pace and in the right spots, I don't know why a different coach would want it done "differently"
Scheme wise, it is a different story I agree.
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