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Post by coachjim on May 5, 2007 4:35:50 GMT -6
Last year, we had one parent that had his kid drinking Red Bull's before a game. His boy was ten years old. While he did run around like a maniac, as expected, I never felt comfortable about this and have no idea what the short term or long lasting affects of 2000 grams of Taurine do to a ten year old. I was not the HC but will be this year. The HC didn't disapprove, to my knowledge.
What do you guys think about 8-11 year olds drinking Red Bull before a game? And as a HC, is it my responsibility to tell the parent to cut it out? Is it even wrong? I wouldn't let my kid drink it. I don't even let him drink coffee.
Now they have that drink called "Cocaine," I can't wait to see what that does to an eight year old on the field and to his health. Or maybe it's not really something to be concerned about. What do you guys think? Ever been in that situation?
I just can't believe that stuff is good for eight - eleven year olds, even if just once a week at game time. Or is it? Perhaps my whole team should be drinking it.
Anyone know?
I can't believe the crap i'm asking about, you'd think all you had to worry about as a football coach, is football.
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Post by coachdeeley on May 5, 2007 4:59:26 GMT -6
My personal opinion on the scenario is that as coaches we advise our players on nutrition and what to put and not put into their systems - they'll either listen or not. I try to live by the rule of if its processed that it aint going to be good for you. Red Bull and other such drinks are just a whole bunch of chemicals and sugars that isnt going to benefit your body overall - despite the short term boost. I'd certainly speak to the parents and advise them to do some research on it before they give it to their kid - problem is that Red Bull is now so prevelent in the NFL as well that kids are going to want to emulate that.
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Post by brophy on May 5, 2007 5:52:13 GMT -6
thode drinks have waaaaay too much sodium in them - that, imo, would be the biggest risk.
I think you could meet with parents and remind them of the purpose of youth football.....have fun.
using .performance enhancers, especially at that age, the psychological dependence we are creating for that athlete will pervert any future playing experience.
if a parent is shovelling this stuff down his kid's throat is obviously trying to vicariously live theough his son.
Personally, if this is known, the head coach does have a responsibility to address the parent (tactfully) and educate him of thr risk physiologically as well as psychologically of abusing stimulants during adolescence......this wouldn't be too far from admonishing a parent who you know is telling his boy to purposely harm other kids. That parent is reinforcing messages that run contrary to what your program is about.
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Post by tvt50 on May 5, 2007 6:06:50 GMT -6
NO. The sugar and caffenine dehydrates them. But they aer still gonna drink them.
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Post by ajreaper on May 5, 2007 8:42:41 GMT -6
These types of drinks are definately out for any kids- I do not allow my high schools guys to touch them. They cause a raise in BP and heart rate then you introduce activity on top of that, if a kids has an undiagnosed heart condition it could kill him. I believe many of these have been banned by the NCAA as well as professionl sports- check in to that, if it's bad for adults why would we ever allow a kid to consume it?
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Post by coachcb on May 5, 2007 8:54:37 GMT -6
The first day of practice, I always walk in and find half of the team drinking those d-mn things and eating junk food. So, I walk around with a trash bag and make them throw all the crap out, whether they've finished it or not. Energy drinks and pop are outlawed while they're on my time; if I catch them drinking it, it goes in the trash.
Several parents didn't like it (same situation, daddy feeding it to them) so I reimbersed them for the first can that I made them throw away. But, I warned them that it was a one time deal; I'd better not see the kids drinking that crap. They can drink Mountain Dew and Red Bull all they at home or when I'm not around, but not when I have something to say about it.
Bottom line; nobody needs that amount of sugar and caffeine. It's empty, useless calories that isn't going to do anything for the kids other than make them sick.
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Post by fbdoc on May 5, 2007 9:14:49 GMT -6
I have done the talks with parents and players and we still have kids on our team who believe the product helps. I'm not going to play detective and go looking for it but our coaches and our trainer all constantly advise them to eat healthy and to hydrate a lot with water and gatorade. I've never tried Red Bull or any other such product, but just looking at the ingrediants tells me its not going to help in the heat and humidity of South Florida.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 5, 2007 9:26:24 GMT -6
coachdb---definitely something we agree on here. I can't believe the parents whined like that. I swear, if only there were an all orphanage league to coach in. Of course, what to coaches know when compared to corporate marketers.
Brophy--GREAT point about the early dependence on performance enhancers.
FBDOC--Hear in South Louisiana..same thing.
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Post by coachcb on May 5, 2007 9:44:48 GMT -6
The parent was more upset over the two bucks that they allowed the kid to spend on the drink. It had nothing to do with health; it was all about the parent not liking that I told HIS child he couldn't drink it.
I went through the same thing with track this year; first practice of the year I confiscated 4 cans of Monster Energy drink and a half dozen bottle of pop.
If mon and dad don't like it; TS. I won't back down on it, period. I'll give them some diabetes statistics to chew on.
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Post by fort on May 5, 2007 9:47:06 GMT -6
When I played, there were a few guys who were always drinking this stuff before games. Is it a coincidence that they always had cramping problems starting around the 2nd or 3rd quarter? I'm going to guess not.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 5, 2007 10:02:35 GMT -6
I can't believe the parents don't realize that the kids are essentially GETTING HIGH. These "energy" drinks are just stimulants.
I really think steroids and other performance enhancing drugs are going to be a HUGE issue in the next several years. Not only can the parents live through their kids and be completely overbearing, but NOW companies can market to these insane people and make a profit selling dreams.
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Post by coachcb on May 5, 2007 10:05:01 GMT -6
I used to educate the kids on proper nutrition and then take a step back; not any more. I decided to be more proactive with it and make it part of team policy. Nutrition directly impacts performance; it's as big a deal to me as the fundamentals of the game.
I had a MS team that was really upet that I wouldn't let them have a pizza party before a game. The games weren't schedules until 7pm that night and the other school teams had a pizza party right at 4pm. Instead, I took my team into a classroom and we watched Remember The Titans. I brought Gatorade and granola bars for them.
Why-in-the-heck would I let my team load up on saturated fat and carbs right before a game???
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Post by baggins52 on May 5, 2007 12:22:08 GMT -6
i looked at the back of a vitaminwater bottle urlacher and ortiz are peddling, now it is "natural caffine." we'll see how many times i have to correct this idea in the coming year.
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Post by brophy on May 5, 2007 15:48:29 GMT -6
I really think steroids and other performance enhancing drugs are going to be a HUGE issue in the next several years. Not only can the parents live through their kids and be completely overbearing, but NOW companies can market to these insane people and make a profit selling dreams. you mean like rectuiting services and prep combines? |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 5, 2007 15:54:34 GMT -6
See brophy..the difference is that COACHES can work for recruiting services and prep combines once they are poor to make some money  We can't peddle red bull  |
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Post by coachjim on May 5, 2007 17:11:57 GMT -6
Lots of great points. Too many from every direction, actually, hitting upon just about everything... The dehydration, potential physical and/or psychological dependence, and the raising heart rate and bp comments really speak for themselves. Great suggestion about speaking to the parents, as well. The negatives really need very little explanation. Man, you guys are good.
Not to mention the comment regarding the parent living vicariously through the kid. You nailed the parent right on the mark. He was a classic case. A type of person I am going to have to be very cautious and critical of this year.
I wish I had known all of that last year but there was already too much to learn about just the simple fundamentals. Every question I ask, you guys stun me with the amount of knowledge you have accumulated over the years. The admin here are fortunate to have you all around and so am I.
And so are my kids, they won't be drinking any supplements. I'm not at a school where my actions can be dictated by someone else. I don't get paid a single cent for volunteering my time and if the parents don't like it, they can go get their kid "high," somewhere else.
I can't believe I even contemplated allowing it, now. Thank you, all.
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Post by brophy on May 5, 2007 17:16:02 GMT -6
first of all, hats off to all you guys that have a hard line on this. it's not always easy doing the right thing.
second, as a young college player in the 90's, ephedrine was only thought of as an asthmatic bronchial dialator....
I recall frequenting the local pharmacy and procurring a JAR of 300 ephedrine capsules.....several 72 hour days (without sleep) and some freaky "highs".....during my soph & jr years.
Thing is, in football, on EACH play you feel vulnerable....you have to do something to get a perceived competitive edge....you never have plays you can just take off...it has to be 100% intensity.
have you ever kicked off a game completely hung over? How miserable were you? How much intensity were you able to muster?
So it stands to reason that if 2 pills did it for you last time....next game I am gonna want a little something extra....and go for 3....and so on.
If you start out getting buzzed at 10 years old...
-----what are you going to need to get pumped when you are 16?
-----at what point am I going to think that I don't want to 'get up' for the game?
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Post by coach79 on May 6, 2007 1:30:04 GMT -6
Advocare has a line of products geared towards kids. They also many products geared toward Performance and Health.
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Post by Yash on May 6, 2007 1:43:05 GMT -6
I'm 22 and I had to cut myself off of energy drinks because i realized that my one a day habbit was indeed a habbit and soon to be an addiction if I didn't cut the caffine out of my system. Now a 10 year old isn't going to be able to make that choice, so cheers to you guys for helping them. I agree red bull gives you wings, but 10 year olds don't need wings.
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Post by rjam on May 6, 2007 10:12:34 GMT -6
I know a energy drink that has NO SUGAR NO OR LITTLE CARBS. and you can get it with or without CAFFEINE.
its runs on 4900% B12 , 300% B6 , 100% B5 and B3
anyone interest message me.
ITS THE NUMBER 2 SELLING ENERGY DRINK BEHIND red bull and you can't buy it in stores.
23.99 a case ( 12 per case ) around 8 different flavors.
hit me up if interested.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2007 10:37:00 GMT -6
And it works!! I know exactly what you are talking about.
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Post by brophy on May 6, 2007 10:41:28 GMT -6
i'm selling a 0 calorie, 0 carb, no sugar anti-oxidant chocolate bar that will boost testosterone, cure ED, prevent cancer, and grow your hair back.
call me as these are not on the market and originated on the Eastern bloc olympic circuit.
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Post by phantom on May 6, 2007 11:15:08 GMT -6
i'm selling a 0 calorie, 0 carb, no sugar anti-oxidant chocolate bar that will boost testosterone, cure ED, prevent cancer, and grow your hair back. call me as these are not on the market and originated on the Eastern bloc olympic circuit. How's it taste? |
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Post by los on May 6, 2007 11:18:35 GMT -6
Any guys using this product Brophy, or is it still just for women, lol! Holy crap guys, whats the world coming to? Energy drinks/products for anyone under 30 seems kinda silly to me? Kids are hyper enough naturally!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2007 11:58:12 GMT -6
To me, the drinks taste like soda. The brand name is XS and I drink the Citrus and Root Beer flavors mostly. It's a good kick start to my morning and a good pick me up in the late afternoon.
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Post by rjam on May 6, 2007 12:26:17 GMT -6
Yeah, The drinks are awesome. taste nothing like an energy drink. rootbeer is great. Plus if you like making mixed drinks I have a XS mixed drinks recipe guide which is great!
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Post by coachd5085 on May 6, 2007 18:49:16 GMT -6
If you get a "boost" or "Pick me up", then you are becoming dependant upon outside stimulants. I would hardly recommend this to children.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2007 18:51:57 GMT -6
I was off topic in my last post. I was just stating why i use the product. But, there would be no problem with kids drinking the XS brand drink.
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Post by brophy on May 6, 2007 18:58:58 GMT -6
there is no greater substitute / shortcuts to properly regulating your body's chemical balance through proper nutrition & hydration.
In the office, the easy crutch is coffee.....but if you can give your body what it needs, you won't have to fall back on "gimmicks".
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Post by coachcb on May 6, 2007 19:24:52 GMT -6
Bottom line is cut and dry with me; if the kids want to rehydrate, they can drink water. I have even gotten to the point where I won't bring Gatorade to the games; just plain old water. Kids are taking in WAY too much refined sugar throughout the day. I don't want to provide them with anymore than they're already getting.
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We can't peddle red bull 
