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Post by bluedevils10 on Jul 19, 2014 8:10:11 GMT -6
Hello coaches,
I wanted to seek advice on two-a-day practice times? I have 2 assistant coaches, (1 of which runs my D) and they are not teachers so they have regular 9-5 type jobs. I wanted to have one practice 730-10 and I am seeking advice for the start time of the second session, should it be 4-6 or later like 6-8?
Let me know your thoughts.
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Post by blb on Jul 19, 2014 8:26:41 GMT -6
Was once in a similar situation and have known others that were, too.
We practiced from 4-8 pm (with a break in the middle).
I did not like it - prefer to practice earlier and get it over with so kids and coaches can have rest of day to themselves rather than having practice "hanging over our heads" all day - but did not really have a choice at the time.
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Post by freezeoption on Jul 19, 2014 9:24:03 GMT -6
we can't do that in our state, two a days are done for us,
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Post by bluedevils10 on Jul 19, 2014 13:39:25 GMT -6
we can't do that in our state, two a days are done for us, Thats not overly helpful! |
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Post by bluedevils10 on Jul 19, 2014 13:40:03 GMT -6
Was once in a similar situation and have known others that were, too. We practiced from 4-8 pm (with a break in the middle). I did not like it - prefer to practice earlier and get it over with so kids and coaches can have rest of day to themselves rather than having practice "hanging over our heads" all day - but did not really have a choice at the time. Not ideal, but how were the parents? Did they care? |
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jul 19, 2014 13:46:04 GMT -6
How many 2 a days to you get? What is the length of time you are Abel to have 2 a days?
We have ran them on a Saturday before. Staggered them with Single practice days.ran what ever side of the ball the coach who was going to miss was not on first. So if a dc couldn't be at practice tell 5 we would run o we would start at 330 and run o tell 5 and go d the rest of the practice.
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Post by blb on Jul 19, 2014 13:55:21 GMT -6
Was once in a similar situation and have known others that were, too. We practiced from 4-8 pm (with a break in the middle). I did not like it - prefer to practice earlier and get it over with so kids and coaches can have rest of day to themselves rather than having practice "hanging over our heads" all day - but did not really have a choice at the time. Not ideal, but how were the parents? Did they care?
Did not have one complaint.
Actually Freshmen parents probably preferred it because it was closer to what they did in Little League baseball-youth football (PM practices).
At the job I have now, we practice 9-11 am and 1-3 pm, because that's best for kids and what I want to do.
Have had several non-teacher coaches - basically "daddy" (former youth) coaches.
They took vacation time to coach Two-a-days, but were done when their kids were.
Right now we have one business owner and one self-employed guy, so they make their own schedules.
Far from ideal.
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Post by fantom on Jul 19, 2014 13:58:57 GMT -6
Hello coaches, I wanted to seek advice on two-a-day practice times? I have 2 assistant coaches, (1 of which runs my D) and they are not teachers so they have regular 9-5 type jobs. I wanted to have one practice 730-10 and I am seeking advice for the start time of the second session, should it be 4-6 or later like 6-8? Let me know your thoughts. Our second session is 5-7. It's a little cooler by then. |
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Post by Wingtman on Jul 19, 2014 15:04:44 GMT -6
We've gone 5-9. Two 90 minute sessions, break in the middle. Always worked well for us. Offense in the first session , defense in the second.
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Post by tchestovich on Jul 19, 2014 15:06:15 GMT -6
At my previous school my first two years as the HC we had a few coaches that weren't teachers and we would practice from 3-9 with at least an hour break in the middle. We would usually go 3-5:30 and then 7-9. It worked for us and was usually a lot cooler in the evening session. The kids liked it because we got to go under the lights. Our current schedule is going to be 8-11 and then again from 5-8.
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Post by blb on Jul 19, 2014 15:12:36 GMT -6
Better for younger kids with transportation issues to go once rather than an early AM-late PM schedule.
Also most of our older kids work. Latter practice routine would be much harder for them. We'd lose some, and our numbers are already a serious issue.
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Post by fantom on Jul 19, 2014 15:30:38 GMT -6
Better for younger kids with transportation issues to go once rather than an early AM-late PM schedule. Also most of our older kids work. Latter practice routine would be much harder for them. We'd lose some, and our numbers are already a serious issue. Our JV's will only go once, in the afternoon, this year. |
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Post by bluedevils10 on Jul 19, 2014 17:28:35 GMT -6
How many 2 a days to you get? What is the length of time you are Abel to have 2 a days? We have ran them on a Saturday before. Staggered them with Single practice days.ran what ever side of the ball the coach who was going to miss was not on first. So if a dc couldn't be at practice tell 5 we would run o we would start at 330 and run o tell 5 and go d the rest of the practice. We will start on a Monday and go through Saturday with doubles. Then the following Monday we go to sleep away camp untilWednesday, and then have 2 more days of doubles before our first scrimmage. |
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jul 19, 2014 17:38:25 GMT -6
That's a tuff camp. Think we have a 2 week period where we are allowed to have 5 or 6 doubles. We haven't gone doubles on consecutive days sence I'm guessing around 2001.
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Post by bluedevils10 on Jul 19, 2014 18:26:12 GMT -6
When I was in collgee, we did everyday doubles, but that was because we have the numbers, I only have 23 kids on Varsity
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Post by falcon44 on Jul 19, 2014 19:50:31 GMT -6
IF your 2 Coaches cant adjust to your schedule than you really dont have many options. I like the 4-8 or 4-9 Idea if its broken up.
With 23 kids you really need to watch the injuries. We start camp on a Mon and will go Mon,Tues,Wed 9-11 , 2-4 and 7-8 (special Teams in shells).I try and give ample time if a session runs over and to have the kids rest up.
Thursday will be 9-11 and 2-4,Friday will be one session as a walkthru,Saturday will be our scrimmage. The following week ,we will Have one session in pads and 1 in shells for 2 days.We will wind it down after that.
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Post by coachguy83 on Jul 20, 2014 0:33:49 GMT -6
I am not a huge fan of doing one long session with a break. We tried it one year when I was playing and we have done it on teams I've coached. The second session always seems to lack focus and intensity in my opinion. I really like what we are doing at the program I am working for now. We have one session from 5 to 8:30. The first hour is film/chalk talk/team building stuff then we have our normal two and a half hour practice.
I honestly think this format works because it allows time for the mental stuff in the first hour. Then practice can be 100 miles per hour. It also establishes a routine that we will carry through the entire season. We typically only work one side of the ball each day and one special team.
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Post by lochness on Jul 20, 2014 16:31:00 GMT -6
I am not a huge fan of doing one long session with a break. We tried it one year when I was playing and we have done it on teams I've coached. The second session always seems to lack focus and intensity in my opinion. I really like what we are doing at the program I am working for now. We have one session from 5 to 8:30. The first hour is film/chalk talk/team building stuff then we have our normal two and a half hour practice. I honestly think this format works because it allows time for the mental stuff in the first hour. Then practice can be 100 miles per hour. It also establishes a routine that we will carry through the entire season. We typically only work one side of the ball each day and one special team. Coach- This is is pretty interesting. Would you mind posting a detailed sample of what a practice plan in this format looks like? |
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Post by mountainman on Jul 20, 2014 18:12:06 GMT -6
Due to a scheduling issue at our camp this year (field availability) we have been given a practice time of 10-3. We usually practice 7-9 am and 6-8 pm everyday at camp. After talking about a lot of different formats, we have decided to practice just once,10-12:30. Gives us an hour O, an hour D, and 1/2 hour for warm ups, specials, etc. We felt that a fast hard 2 hour practice (which is our norm) was better than splitting into two 2 hour sessions with an hour break in between.
We are no-huddle everything offense and defense and normally practice super-fast anyway. We run 2-3 huddles of scout offense against our D so one is ready to go immediately after the other is done. Normally camp consists of an early morning session (5:00 am or so) of conditioning only (running on the beach, hill runs, relays, buddy carries, stairs, and have even taken the players to an MMA gym in the past) and this is going to remain. We also have activities in the evening which are competitive in nature, but don't involve actual football. I will post later on how this goes.
The main idea is that if you are unable to schedule two a days for some reason, a good hard practice once a day with a conditioning/competitive session (which can be supervised by the coaches who don't have a conflict) a 2nd time of the day may be the way to go.
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Post by bluedevils10 on Jul 20, 2014 19:17:49 GMT -6
After chatting with our other coaches and reading some of the responses this is the format I came up with:
M/W/F 730-10am.... 430-7pm
T/Th 730-11am..... 1230-130pm Weight Room/Conditioning
Saturday 8-10....12-2
The following Monday-Wed we go away to camp and Th/F we will go once in afternoon and scrimmage Saturday
Thanks for the ideas and discussion fellas!
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Post by coachguy83 on Jul 21, 2014 0:19:34 GMT -6
I am not a huge fan of doing one long session with a break. We tried it one year when I was playing and we have done it on teams I've coached. The second session always seems to lack focus and intensity in my opinion. I really like what we are doing at the program I am working for now. We have one session from 5 to 8:30. The first hour is film/chalk talk/team building stuff then we have our normal two and a half hour practice. I honestly think this format works because it allows time for the mental stuff in the first hour. Then practice can be 100 miles per hour. It also establishes a routine that we will carry through the entire season. We typically only work one side of the ball each day and one special team. Coach- This is is pretty interesting. Would you mind posting a detailed sample of what a practice plan in this format looks like? This is a defense day from our last camp: 5:00-5:45 Team Building 5:50-6:00 Pre Practice 6:00-6:02 Jumping Jacks 6:02-6:22 Fundamentals Circuit Water 6:25-6:33 EDDs 6:33-6:48 Indy Water 6:51-7:06 Emphasis Period Water 7:09-7:30 Competition Period Water 7:33-7:45 Kick Off Return Indy 7:45-7:52 Kick Off Return Water 7:56-8:16 Team 8:16-8:26 Finale |
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Post by blb on Jul 21, 2014 5:14:39 GMT -6
The following Monday-Wed we go away to camp
Do your two coaches with "regular" jobs go to camp?
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Post by bluedevils10 on Jul 21, 2014 5:45:34 GMT -6
The following Monday-Wed we go away to camp
Do your two coaches with "regular" jobs go to camp?
Both coaches do. They time 3 days off from work to come to camp. I think asking for 3 days is better than trying to ask for 10 (m-f), but I understand your point |
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Post by lochness on Jul 21, 2014 7:14:07 GMT -6
Coach- This is is pretty interesting. Would you mind posting a detailed sample of what a practice plan in this format looks like? This is a defense day from our last camp: 5:00-5:45 Team Building 5:50-6:00 Pre Practice 6:00-6:02 Jumping Jacks 6:02-6:22 Fundamentals Circuit Water 6:25-6:33 EDDs 6:33-6:48 Indy Water 6:51-7:06 Emphasis Period Water 7:09-7:30 Competition Period Water 7:33-7:45 Kick Off Return Indy 7:45-7:52 Kick Off Return Water 7:56-8:16 Team 8:16-8:26 Finale I like that structure. Similar to what we do... What do you do for team build and finale? |
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Post by mountainman on Jul 21, 2014 11:57:10 GMT -6
I think it looks good, Coach. Let us know how it works for you. At our school, as I am sure it is for a lot of you, we have to continuously have to work including off campus coaches into our program. We currently have four coaches who work at the school and five who do not. Luckily we have been fortunate that our off campus coaches use vacation days, go in early to work to be off by 4:00, schedule days off for Friday games, and have jobs that allow them to do so.
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Post by coachguy83 on Jul 22, 2014 2:19:39 GMT -6
This is a defense day from our last camp: 5:00-5:45 Team Building 5:50-6:00 Pre Practice 6:00-6:02 Jumping Jacks 6:02-6:22 Fundamentals Circuit Water 6:25-6:33 EDDs 6:33-6:48 Indy Water 6:51-7:06 Emphasis Period Water 7:09-7:30 Competition Period Water 7:33-7:45 Kick Off Return Indy 7:45-7:52 Kick Off Return Water 7:56-8:16 Team 8:16-8:26 Finale I like that structure. Similar to what we do... What do you do for team build and finale? We divided our team into three "houses" this year. The majority of our team building have been playing games between the houses, which have been a lot of fun. It has also made our players really compete with one another, which is always a good thing. The finale is a scenerio where we tell the team we just scored to go down by 6 with 2:00 remaining in the game. Our kick off team has to recover an onside kick, our offense has to drive down and score again, then our PAT has to make the kick. If we fail at any point the whole team runs gassers the remainder of the period. |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 22, 2014 5:40:40 GMT -6
I used to live in farm country and I had assistants that were blue collar men. We would practice from 8-10:30 then from 11-1:30.
I admired the hell out of my staff as most of them would take 4-5 vacation days to make the two-a-day sessions.
Later, I found out that many of them were going in later to get some hours in at their job. Like blb stated, I liked going early so the kids and coaches could be home in the evening to rest.
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Post by utchuckd on Jul 22, 2014 7:34:42 GMT -6
Coach- This is is pretty interesting. I believe this qualifies as an expert opinion. |
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Post by bluedevils10 on Jul 25, 2014 18:33:15 GMT -6
I think it looks good, Coach. Let us know how it works for you. At our school, as I am sure it is for a lot of you, we have to continuously have to work including off campus coaches into our program. We currently have four coaches who work at the school and five who do not. Luckily we have been fortunate that our off campus coaches use vacation days, go in early to work to be off by 4:00, schedule days off for Friday games, and have jobs that allow them to do so. Will do. I emailed/mailed it to the team this week and we go to a team camp on Monday, so I will ask for the players feed back. We also go to sleep away team camp the following mon-wed so if there is time that needs to be made up I can do it at camp. |
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Post by bluedevils10 on Sept 15, 2014 6:46:18 GMT -6
I think it looks good, Coach. Let us know how it works for you. At our school, as I am sure it is for a lot of you, we have to continuously have to work including off campus coaches into our program. We currently have four coaches who work at the school and five who do not. Luckily we have been fortunate that our off campus coaches use vacation days, go in early to work to be off by 4:00, schedule days off for Friday games, and have jobs that allow them to do so. Will do. I emailed/mailed it to the team this week and we go to a team camp on Monday, so I will ask for the players feed back. We also go to sleep away team camp the following mon-wed so if there is time that needs to be made up I can do it at camp. Camp schedule, I think worked out well. Kids were more fresh at practice and as new HC and 5mo at home it was better for me. I could be home more and had the ability to focus on my family when I was home not worried about running back to another practcie. We also lifted on Tues/Thurs for an hour as well to keep our focus on strength training. The teams tempo and focus was much better as well, and we didnt have any injuries which helped us out. |
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