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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:52:05 GMT -6
How do you guys handle the players who clearly won't be playing meaningful snaps for you, not this season or probably ever. We all have the kids who are stiff as boards and painfully awkward and unathletic.
What do you do with your valuable practice reps when those kids are badly screwing up the most basic stuff (like stance and first steps) after 2 weeks?
Do you take the time to keep coaching them up, knowing they'll probably never play and it's taking time away from those who will, or do you just let their mistakes slide at the time and correct them pre or post practice?
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Post by freezeoption on Jul 14, 2014 20:03:28 GMT -6
when your doing team send a coach with the rangers and work on basics
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Post by 90rocket on Jul 14, 2014 20:39:45 GMT -6
I'm having the same problem right now. We're a smaller school, graduation class of around 60. Right now we're getting about 35 out of our 60 kids grades 9-12 who signed up to play a day in the weight room. Problem is 10-15 of them have no chance of ever helping us. I like their commitment, although I know they are just showing up for the incentive of getting a free t shirt by making it to 20 summer lifts. I try to help them out here or there when I can but they are just clogging up our limited weight room. I plan on sending as many as I can to work with the WR's. We only have 3 coaches so I don't want to be coaching 35 linemen out blocking schemes.
I really can't make cuts, although I do plan on increasing our conditioning the first few days with the hope that some of the dead weeds cut themselves.
With that said, if I get a kid willing to hop in every time we need a scout player, help with filling the water bottles, equipment etc. who is never going to get a snap, I will treat that kid like he is the starting quarterback. What I hate is when a kid who will never play, goofs off on the sidelines, and complains about not playing. Drives me nuts.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 14, 2014 20:48:30 GMT -6
How do you guys handle the players who clearly won't be playing meaningful snaps for you, not this season or probably ever. We all have the kids who are stiff as boards and painfully awkward and unathletic. What do you do with your valuable practice reps when those kids are badly screwing up the most basic stuff (like stance and first steps) after 2 weeks? Do you take the time to keep coaching them up, knowing they'll probably never play and it's taking time away from those who will, or do you just let their mistakes slide at the time and correct them pre or post practice? I always laugh just a little when I hear the word "scrubs." First, it's a funny word, but more importantly, it reminds me of my dad. He was a tough Marine (Vietnam era), who played for a tough Marine (Korean War era). He told me that he learned a very important life lesson when it came to people considered "scrubs." When his coach found himself marching out of a frozen reservoir, -35 degree weather, frostbite on many fingers and toes, surrounded by seven enemy regiments...no one man was considered any less than another. That group is historically known as the "Frozen Chosin" or "The Chosin Few." In fact, guys that they didn't think they could count on, showed tremendous character in helping their fellow Marines survive. My old man made it very clear, in the early part of the season, that there were no "scrubs." It instantly took away the stigma that some of those reserve players may have been feeling. Suddenly, those same guys began looking for ways that they could contribute. The key in coaching is to find a role for every player to believe in. Don't coach them any less or let them slide. If you do, they will feel it, and if they feel that they will not give you their best. If reserve players do not give their best, it takes away from the overall progress of the team and fails to push the starters to new levels. I was the type of coach that, with a confident lead, would be hollering at the reserve players out there on "mop up" duty. Why? I wanted them to know and feel that they were just as important as anyone who started the game. I believed that it gave them a sense of worth. At the end of the day, manage their reps, as not to take a great deal of time away from the starters, but coach them just as hard...you never know when you will need one of them to pull you out of the "reservoir." |
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Post by spartan on Jul 14, 2014 20:59:37 GMT -6
I got a social coach.
Can't really coach just likes hanging around, drinks a lot of beer plays a lot of golf Fun guy to have around. He works with them on basics and plays games with them while starters are getting reps. Invaluable!
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 14, 2014 21:00:33 GMT -6
I love those guys. When they make progress, it's a huge step for them and it's fun to celebrate with them.
It's easy to coach the guys who are naturals. But the improvement they make is often small because they don't have as far to go. The puds have lots in front of them, so there's lots of growth to see.
Everyone deserves your best effort in Indy time. In group or team time, the reps go to those who will play.
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Post by fantom on Jul 14, 2014 21:31:21 GMT -6
How do you guys handle the players who clearly won't be playing meaningful snaps for you, not this season or probably ever. We all have the kids who are stiff as boards and painfully awkward and unathletic. What do you do with your valuable practice reps when those kids are badly screwing up the most basic stuff (like stance and first steps) after 2 weeks? Do you take the time to keep coaching them up, knowing they'll probably never play and it's taking time away from those who will, or do you just let their mistakes slide at the time and correct them pre or post practice? I always laugh just a little when I hear the word "scrubs." First, it's a funny word, but more importantly, it reminds me of my dad. He was a tough Marine (Vietnam era), who played for a tough Marine (Korean War era). He told me that he learned a very important life lesson when it came to people considered "scrubs." When his coach found himself marching out of a frozen reservoir, -35 degree weather, frostbite on many fingers and toes, surrounded by seven enemy regiments...no one man was considered any less than another. That group is historically known as the "Frozen Chosin" or "The Chosin Few." In fact, guys that they didn't think they could count on, showed tremendous character in helping their fellow Marines survive. My old man made it very clear, in the early part of the season, that there were no "scrubs." It instantly took away the stigma that some of those reserve players may have been feeling. Suddenly, those same guys began looking for ways that they could contribute. The key in coaching is to find a role for every player to believe in. Don't coach them any less or let them slide. If you do, they will feel it, and if they feel that they will not give you their best. If reserve players do not give their best, it takes away from the overall progress of the team and fails to push the starters to new levels. I was the type of coach that, with a confident lead, would be hollering at the reserve players out there on "mop up" duty. Why? I wanted them to know and feel that they were just as important as anyone who started the game. I believed that it gave them a sense of worth. At the end of the day, manage their reps, as not to take a great deal of time away from the starters, but coach them just as hard...you never know when you will need one of them to pull you out of the "reservoir." I hate terms like "scrub" or "meat squad" (and I don't mean to sat that the OP would use the term with the kids). For one thig, you never know how a kid can develop over the years. We've had a lot of guys who looked hopeless as freshmen but developed into starters or at least contributors. Of course, some stay hopeless no matter how hard they work. They just don't have the DNA. Everybody gets the same number of reps in individual. In group and team periods, if they're not in our plans for the game, they're not getting reps. If a kid is a "paper" second-teamer (second on the depth chart on paper but really if the starter goes down we move the backup from the other side to that position) he'll get reps if we put in a full second group. Otherwise we don't have reps to give away. They'll have to play on the scout team in practice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 21:45:00 GMT -6
I want to make it clear that I was using the term "scrub" facetiously. I would never use that regarding these kids because they're some of my favorites, too--I respect them the most. They don't have the talent, but they outwork plenty of the other kids and typically have great attitudes to stick with it when others would have given up. I've seen kids who looked like "scrubs" wind up developing into starters, or at least role players, too, and I love it when that happens because the kid's really worked his way into becoming a decent player and is usually a good leader and example for the others.
I like the solution of giving them equal reps in Indy time, but focusing group and team on the kids who'll actually play. Last season, I tried to get as many kids group and even team reps as possible and I feel like that took away from our starters. I didn't want them to feel left out or uncoached because, with our numbers, they realistically could have had a shot at playing and we needed to keep every single one in the program. That's not how it is here.
That said, as a coach it does get so frustrating to watch these kids go out with the godawful stances and first steps, though, and have to spend time every day correcting 10 things they're doing wrong just lining up.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Jul 14, 2014 22:59:03 GMT -6
I've always liked the idea of having a specific coach on your staff dedicated to running scout teams and coaching up the "scrubs" on the team. While they are playing scout team, the coach is correcting and coaching up their basic techniques. When they take reps at practice (of the team's system), he'd be the one there teaching the basic assignments and such. I envision someone who is energetic and always very positive, and can especially get across the point that their more minor roles are still important and crucial. He'd be that guy to convince kids to keep going, and not to quit during the season. To go further, he'd prepare the scout teams pre-practice on the opponent's scouting info, so they can get an idea/basic structure of how to run the opponents' schemes.
Anyone ever do something like this?
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Post by bluboy on Jul 15, 2014 6:25:59 GMT -6
I've always liked the idea of having a specific coach on your staff dedicated to running scout teams and coaching up the "scrubs" on the team. While they are playing scout team, the coach is correcting and coaching up their basic techniques. When they take reps at practice (of the team's system), he'd be the one there teaching the basic assignments and such. I envision someone who is energetic and always very positive, and can especially get across the point that their more minor roles are still important and crucial. He'd be that guy to convince kids to keep going, and not to quit during the season. To go further, he'd prepare the scout teams pre-practice on the opponent's scouting info, so they can get an idea/basic structure of how to run the opponents' schemes. Anyone ever do something like this? Our head coach runs the scout offense, and I (DC) and d-line coach run the scout defense. Some of these kids are starters, while others are 2's or 3's. Sometimes (depends on the day's practice plan) during team offense, I will take the younger kids and go down and work with our frosh. Our young kids play offense and are coached by the frosh offensive coaches while I coach the frosh defense. When we are on team defense, one of the offensive assistants will take the young kids. Sometimes one of us simply takes the young kids and we do 1/2 line. We do not like having kids stand around and do nothing, so we try to get everyone involved. By the way, at the end of every week we award an offensive and defensive scout player or the week a t-shirt. |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jul 15, 2014 6:54:55 GMT -6
I want to make it clear that I was using the term "scrub" facetiously. I would never use that regarding these kids because they're some of my favorites, too--I respect them the most. Understood. I was just laughing on the word itself because I hadn't heard it in a while. Old school, baby. Good thread @coacharnold |
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jul 15, 2014 8:07:43 GMT -6
I've always liked the idea of having a specific coach on your staff dedicated to running scout teams and coaching up the "scrubs" on the team. While they are playing scout team, the coach is correcting and coaching up their basic techniques. When they take reps at practice (of the team's system), he'd be the one there teaching the basic assignments and such. I envision someone who is energetic and always very positive, and can especially get across the point that their more minor roles are still important and crucial. He'd be that guy to convince kids to keep going, and not to quit during the season. To go further, he'd prepare the scout teams pre-practice on the opponent's scouting info, so they can get an idea/basic structure of how to run the opponents' schemes. Anyone ever do something like this? I hear that's exactly what alex gibbs is up these days just going in and working with team 8 threw 12 o linemen. Are lb coach use to be the freshmen o line coach so we do indy drills together then he takes the 3rd plus team guys and works scheme and the top 12 go with the varsity oline coach |
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