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Post by natenator on Jul 14, 2014 6:10:27 GMT -6
Serious question.
When I review video of our games I need a frigging valium or something to keep myself calm watching players CONTINUALLY screw up the same things game in and game out.
It's like once a game starts, all they were coached on in practice goes out the Window and they are in their own little world.
15/16 year old kids.
So frustrsting
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Post by playsmart on Jul 14, 2014 6:20:43 GMT -6
It is a hard pill to sallow but what you see on film is what you are coaching.
Breakdown where they are messing up and find a better way to coach it. If it is everything, then you might want to go back to the drawing board.
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Post by fantom on Jul 14, 2014 9:01:01 GMT -6
Serious question. When I review video of our games I need a frigging valium or something to keep myself calm watching players CONTINUALLY screw up the same things game in and game out. It's like once a game starts, all they were coached on in practice goes out the Window and they are in their own little world. 15/16 year old kids. So frustrsting Yeah but you can't fix the problems if you don't know what they are and you can't find out without watching the film. That;s why I don't understand it when I hear coaches say that they don't watch film with the kids. I will say that I never watch film of the last game immediately. There's no point since you can't fix the mistakes at that point. There are playoff losses that I've never seen start to finish. |
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Post by blb on Jul 14, 2014 9:16:18 GMT -6
Serious question. When I review video of our games I need a frigging valium or something to keep myself calm watching players CONTINUALLY screw up the same things game in and game out. It's like once a game starts, all they were coached on in practice goes out the Window and they are in their own little world. 15/16 year old kids. So frustrsting Yeah but you can't fix the problems if you don't know what they are and you can't find out without watching the film. That;s why I don't understand it when I hear coaches say that they don't watch film with the kids. I will say that I never watch film of the last game immediately. There's no point since you can't fix the mistakes at that point. There are playoff losses that I've never seen start to finish.
Agree with fantom.
I dislike watching film (especially our own).
But I hate being unprepared more, so I do it because it's an important part of the job.
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Post by CS on Jul 14, 2014 9:49:40 GMT -6
Serious question. When I review video of our games I need a frigging valium or something to keep myself calm watching players CONTINUALLY screw up the same things game in and game out. It's like once a game starts, all they were coached on in practice goes out the Window and they are in their own little world. 15/16 year old kids. So frustrsting Always remember the film is YOUR signature. No player wants to do badly |
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Post by natenator on Jul 14, 2014 10:07:05 GMT -6
Serious question. When I review video of our games I need a frigging valium or something to keep myself calm watching players CONTINUALLY screw up the same things game in and game out. It's like once a game starts, all they were coached on in practice goes out the Window and they are in their own little world. 15/16 year old kids. So frustrsting Always remember the film is YOUR signature. No player wants to do badly No but a lot of players want to play selfishly and not do what they're required to do. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 14, 2014 10:10:52 GMT -6
Always remember the film is YOUR signature. No player wants to do badly No but a lot of players want to play selfishly and not do what they're required to do. Well, if kids just naturally played the game the right way they wouldn't need a coach, would they?. Remember this, somewhere a few years ago, some coach was probably saying the same thing while he was watching film of you. |
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Post by natenator on Jul 14, 2014 10:33:49 GMT -6
No but a lot of players want to play selfishly and not do what they're required to do. Well, if kids just naturally played the game the right way they wouldn't need a coach, would they?. Remember this, somewhere a few years ago, some coach was probably saying the same thing while he was watching film of you. What is your solution to get kids to not play selfishly? The players that do it are the ones which know we don't really have a viable backup solution. They ARE coached proper techniques, responsibilities, etc. They are routinely shown video of their play (practice and games) and how their selfish play affects the players beside and behind them. I used to make them run hills after practice but see no improvement so stopped doing that since I was just punishing myself/coaches for having to stay late to make sure they are done. The next solution we're trying this week is role reversal. We're changing roles of players so they get a taste of what it's like for others when they put their individual play ahead of the team play. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 14, 2014 11:04:20 GMT -6
Well, if kids just naturally played the game the right way they wouldn't need a coach, would they?. Remember this, somewhere a few years ago, some coach was probably saying the same thing while he was watching film of you. What is your solution to get kids to not play selfishly? The players that do it are the ones which know we don't really have a viable backup solution. That's the big question, isn't it? If you ever find a single, simple answer, do yourself a favor- don't tell us here. Make a DVD and you'll get rich. Every coach from Bill Belichick and Nick Saban down to the Buckroe Dolphins' C Team coach has the same problem. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 14, 2014 11:15:36 GMT -6
No but a lot of players want to play selfishly and not do what they're required to do. Well, if kids just naturally played the game the right way they wouldn't need a coach, would they?. Remember this, somewhere a few years ago, some coach was probably saying the same thing while he was watching film of you. One of the first things I tried to do as a young coach right after I graduated HS (and was helping at my alma mater) was confiscate and destroy any and all evidence of my play.  |
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Post by fantom on Jul 14, 2014 11:23:48 GMT -6
Well, if kids just naturally played the game the right way they wouldn't need a coach, would they?. Remember this, somewhere a few years ago, some coach was probably saying the same thing while he was watching film of you. One of the first things I tried to do as a young coach right after I graduated HS (and was helping at my alma mater) was confiscate and destroy any and all evidence of my play. All my games were on 16 mm. You'd have to go to an antique shop to find a projector to show them. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 14, 2014 12:21:11 GMT -6
What is your solution to get kids to not play selfishly? The players that do it are the ones which know we don't really have a viable backup solution. They ARE coached proper techniques, responsibilities, etc. They are routinely shown video of their play (practice and games) and how their selfish play affects the players beside and behind them. I used to make them run hills after practice but see no improvement so stopped doing that since I was just punishing myself/coaches for having to stay late to make sure they are done. The next solution we're trying this week is role reversal. We're changing roles of players so they get a taste of what it's like for others when they put their individual play ahead of the team play. Play their backups. Who cares if they're viable or not. If you continue to play these guys despite their not listening, not taking coaching and generally not giving a crap about you, what motivation do they ever have to change? I would assume you're not doing any better win/loss wise than you would be with their backups. If they quit, they quit. Sounds like you're better off without them anyway. Right now, they have you by the balls and they know it. Why listen to you when you're going to play them regardless? |
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Post by dlundberg on Jul 14, 2014 16:52:32 GMT -6
Could it be a case of the kids not understanding exactly what you mean? For example, when I played in college as a freshman my coach would say things that the older guys knew and understood, but I was clueless. This made me seem uncoachable, and other things that have been discussed. But that wasn't it. I only needed a little more demonstration/explanation. Sometimes we forget that the kids don't know exactly what we mean when we say something, or at least I do
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Post by natenator on Jul 14, 2014 17:13:54 GMT -6
Could it be a case of the kids not understanding exactly what you mean? For example, when I played in college as a freshman my coach would say things that the older guys knew and understood, but I was clueless. This made me seem uncoachable, and other things that have been discussed. But that wasn't it. I only needed a little more demonstration/explanation. Sometimes we forget that the kids don't know exactly what we mean when we say something, or at least I do I always explain the why in something before teaching the how. I look to raise their football IQ as much as possible in the hopes that it pays off. For example, with DL players, instead of just teaching them how to defend each of the 4 main blocks I teach them what the offense is trying to achieve by blocking them a certain way. Knowing WHY they are trying to do something should offer them an advantage in being able to play their position. Same with LBs. In terms of technique I use video to show them what they do vs what it should look like. Don't have lots of coaching resources to do this so it's not as often as I would like but it does occur a couple times a month. Plus there is game video that I highlight and telestrate. C'est la vie. Larrymoe's reply is probably the best course of action at this point. |
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Post by coachfloyd on Jul 14, 2014 19:28:36 GMT -6
Serious question. When I review video of our games I need a frigging valium or something to keep myself calm watching players CONTINUALLY screw up the same things game in and game out. It's like once a game starts, all they were coached on in practice goes out the Window and they are in their own little world. 15/16 year old kids. So frustrsting Yeah but you can't fix the problems if you don't know what they are and you can't find out without watching the film. That;s why I don't understand it when I hear coaches say that they don't watch film with the kids. I will say that I never watch film of the last game immediately. There's no point since you can't fix the mistakes at that point. There are playoff losses that I've never seen start to finish. We lost first round this year where it was 20 -0 after 5 mins bc of special teams. After that we dominated but it was too late. I didn't watch it until probably February. |
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Post by orion320 on Jul 14, 2014 20:03:49 GMT -6
Personally I love watching film, not only does it make me a better coach, it makes all of the players better. It is important that the kids see the film as well. As 1,000's of coaches say, THE FILM DON'T LIE!.
When we install our offense we do our best to get film from the previous year and make cutups of when the play was ran correct and incorrectly. Instead of us coaches telling the players were the mistake was we make them identify the mistake. We continue this throughout the season with our practices.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 14, 2014 20:20:22 GMT -6
Not true. I was an undersized OL/DL with a great understanding of the game, a decent first step, excellent technique and footwork and a non stop motor. The ba$tard on the film was an undersized OL/DL that routinely stood up, caught the block/strike rather than delivered it, was not agressive, and was generally ineffective. In all seriousness though, I like the way you say you guys use film to teach, and if my coaches would have done that, maybe that jerk on the tape would have been more like the player in my head. |
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 14, 2014 21:25:43 GMT -6
What is your solution to get kids to not play selfishly? The players that do it are the ones which know we don't really have a viable backup solution. They ARE coached proper techniques, responsibilities, etc. They are routinely shown video of their play (practice and games) and how their selfish play affects the players beside and behind them. I used to make them run hills after practice but see no improvement so stopped doing that since I was just punishing myself/coaches for having to stay late to make sure they are done. The next solution we're trying this week is role reversal. We're changing roles of players so they get a taste of what it's like for others when they put their individual play ahead of the team play. Play their backups. Who cares if they're viable or not. If you continue to play these guys despite their not listening, not taking coaching and generally not giving a crap about you, what motivation do they ever have to change? I would assume you're not doing any better win/loss wise than you would be with their backups. If they quit, they quit. Sounds like you're better off without them anyway. Right now, they have you by the balls and they know it. Why listen to you when you're going to play them regardless? Word. I benched my best LB, who was my second best defensive player, last season because the little bastage wouldn't do what he was coached to do. We played better without him in there because the kid who went in did what he was coached, despite being a pretty meh athlete. |
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Post by coachrocco on Jul 14, 2014 21:28:15 GMT -6
This post literally made me howl laughing out loud. I relate to this to an almost embarrassing extent, which is funny because I ended up playing college ball, but god there is nothing that turns my stomach more than the idea of my players watching a game tape of me. Its this irrational fear like every bad habit I had in high school would become an excuse to disregard my coaching today. Anyways, that was hilarious Well, if kids just naturally played the game the right way they wouldn't need a coach, would they?. Remember this, somewhere a few years ago, some coach was probably saying the same thing while he was watching film of you. One of the first things I tried to do as a young coach right after I graduated HS (and was helping at my alma mater) was confiscate and destroy any and all evidence of my play. |
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