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Post by coache67 on Jul 11, 2007 20:45:11 GMT -6
Seems we've been getting a little philosophical as of late and this is something we've been discussing so I thougth I would put it out to everyone.
Two schools of thought for warmups/dynamic stretching/form running:
1. Military style, no talking except shouting out excercises, stretches and counting. Coaches keep everyone in line and make examples of those who don't follow the program. Everyone breaks out to "football".
2. A little more laid back (not the work, the atmosphere), coaches walking along the lines, talking to players, letting players talk, joke a bit with them and then break up into groups for "football."
Are you either of these or do you fall somewhere in between? Which do you prefer and why?
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Post by schultbear74 on Jul 11, 2007 21:19:14 GMT -6
I'm somewhere inbetween.
As long as the exercises are done correctly I'm fine if not we go military.
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Post by nexthc on Jul 11, 2007 21:20:01 GMT -6
Once you step on the field, it is time to work. If you only practice for two hours a day (during the season & not counting two-a-days), then the players have 22 hours to talk and joke a bit with eachother. You only have them for two hours, so you need them focused and ready to go once they cross the white lines. They have the rest of the day/night to horse play around.
I do not see a problem with the coaches walking with in the line and talking with the players. As long as the talk is about football. It may be a simple as telling a player to come to his group period the he calls over the DL or something along those lines. What you do not what is coaching yupping it up with the players during warm-ups. Coaches are not there to be the players friends, they are there to be their coaches. The players already have friends. (Sorry, a little off topic).
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Post by silkyice on Jul 11, 2007 21:31:52 GMT -6
I have no idea, because it takes us one minute to warm up. No muscle pulls, strains, or tears for three years either.
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Post by davecisar on Jul 12, 2007 0:43:00 GMT -6
Amen, 5 minutes of dynamic warmups and we are into all football.
The 5 minutes is laid back.
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Post by coachroberts99 on Jul 12, 2007 4:17:43 GMT -6
Excellent topic..... Here in Britain we tend to have a culture of massively long warm ups.
2 laps
high knees
cow kicks
side shuffles
side lunges
front lunges
jogs
relay race
full stretch....
In all the warm up usually lasts about 40 minutes, then we go into some individuals for 15 then thud scrimmage (high and hard) for 10, so all in your looking at about an hour.
I'm getting bored of it to be honest, the players get fed up (relatively) having to show up super early for games, and I'm not sure if it is all needed however there is a certain element of status quo.
For those of you that have short, sharp warm ups what do you do and how can we improve?
Thanks in advance,
Matt
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 12, 2007 4:22:52 GMT -6
I also think warming up is highly overrated. Not to mention extremely dull....drudgery in most cases. Id rather get my team repping plays at high speed for a warm up...
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Post by coachroberts99 on Jul 12, 2007 4:31:12 GMT -6
Well this is the thing, it is dull and often people are only giving the stretches lip service as they are so bored out of their minds, lol!
So any ideas for short warm ups post away.
Also warm ups, do you guys go full kit, lids only, no shells or lids?
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Post by stackattack on Jul 12, 2007 4:35:08 GMT -6
We did it military style last year, but this year we are trying something new. Instead of 15 minutes of dull team warmups, our players break into their position groups and their position coach is responsible for getting them loose. This can be a lot things. Our DB's get out the bands, while the D-Line and LB's do agility exercises over bags. I love it. Now I don't have to worry about getting some agility work in during precious individual time. And I can use the 15 minutes to run through our reads with the LB's and D-Line if I feel they need it.
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Post by coachjd on Jul 12, 2007 4:56:16 GMT -6
We are cutting way back. Our dynamic warm-up last year lasted about 10-12 minutes, and this summer for all our 7 on 7's we have been cutting our dynamic warm-up down to about 5 min. and our kids said they feel good and loose and we have not had a pull or strain all summer.
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Post by coachroberts99 on Jul 12, 2007 4:58:52 GMT -6
What do you actually do? Pure warm up/agilitie stuff, ie laps and shuttles; or something more football specific?
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Post by wingt74 on Jul 12, 2007 6:18:48 GMT -6
We'll spend 30 minutes during the first 2 or 3 practices of the year, really hammering hard on the importance of doing our dynamic stretches correctly, and building up a sweat.
After that, 5-10 minutes TOPS to get warmed up. No more wasted time stretching.
I also tell my kids that when they get home, they should do their stretches. I'll give them a handout. (Coach youth - 13yr olds)
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Post by davecisar on Jul 12, 2007 6:25:33 GMT -6
Helmets off 2 lines facing each other 10 yards apart:
5 Jumping Jacks
5 Toe Touching Type Movements
In Stance on Cadence:
High Knees to center and back ( very slow) 3x4 times
Butt Kicks to Center and back ( slow) 2x 3 times
Then we go into our angle form tackling with helmets off still and consider this an extension of the warm up.
10 yards apart, Coach at 10 yards, 2 Lines at angle to each other, one ball carrier on tackler, fits and freeze tackle on a jog right in front of the coach. While this is technically a form tackling drill we consider it to be part of th edynamic warm up we do every practice and pre-game.
BTW we used to do a bunch more than this and we have seen zero pulls etc since changing in 2002.
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Post by nexthc on Jul 12, 2007 6:29:21 GMT -6
We also do a dynamic warm-up. It takes us less that 10 minutes to warm-up. From there we go into group indy (game day) or right to special teams (practice).
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Post by sls on Jul 12, 2007 9:52:55 GMT -6
IMO 5 min dynaimc stretch is one of the best things that you can do to find more practice time and set an upbeat practice tempo.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 12, 2007 9:57:35 GMT -6
I've gone both ways, depending on what the team needed. With a start up team at a private school we went military because the kids had no previous playing experience and we wanted to set the tone. We weren't yelling and screaming but we set a HIGH standard and kept them to it. At my present school (7 years now) I always get to hear from the graduating seniors about how "relaxed" I've become from the "old" days when they were freshmen and sophmores! I don't notice a huge change but we are a done a lot quicker than we used to be.
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Post by phantom on Jul 12, 2007 10:06:51 GMT -6
Seems we've been getting a little philosophical as of late and this is something we've been discussing so I thougth I would put it out to everyone. Two schools of thought for warmups/dynamic stretching/form running: 1. Military style, no talking except shouting out excercises, stretches and counting. Coaches keep everyone in line and make examples of those who don't follow the program. Everyone breaks out to "football". 2. A little more laid back (not the work, the atmosphere), coaches walking along the lines, talking to players, letting players talk, joke a bit with them and then break up into groups for "football." Are you either of these or do you fall somewhere in between? Which do you prefer and why? We're definitely laid back. During our entire dynamic warmup/stretching program the only role for the coaches is blowing the whistle during warmups. The captains run the stretching. Mostly, the coaches are hanging out BSing during this period. We are monitoring. We're watching and we'll jump their a$$es if they're lollygagging but mostly it's their show. |
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Post by briangilbert on Jul 12, 2007 11:30:43 GMT -6
^^^^^ That's what we do
I'd rather go into Individual though and have the DB's/LB's/ and DL do their own thing and get right into it.
On offensive days the same thing with the WR's/RB's/ and OL
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Post by dacoachmo on Jul 12, 2007 14:04:51 GMT -6
IMO 5 min dynaimc stretch is one of the best things that you can do to find more practice time and set an upbeat practice tempo. so what is everyone's top stretches to get done in 5 minutes? |
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Post by khalfie on Jul 12, 2007 14:39:40 GMT -6
We're not serious at all, during that time...
Except for the prepractice talk about what we need to get accomplished, and the verbal quiz on the scouting information presented...
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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 12, 2007 14:46:22 GMT -6
I wish I could see Coach Gagliardi's team warm up -- from what i've read they do jumping jack not jumping jacks. The longer I'm in it (28 years) the more I think the pregame warmup is OVER rated...
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Post by coachorr on Jul 12, 2007 15:01:21 GMT -6
Stack Attack,
I like your way. Even after stretch, I take the linemen and make them do lunge walks as I think this is the most important stretch/strengthening activity a lineman can do. That tiny little hip flexor controls the whole body to get out of stance.
I would love to have my guys for 5-7 minutes longer to do some more "line-specific" stretching.
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Post by coachorr on Jul 12, 2007 15:07:30 GMT -6
Note: Tom Harrison 10 time state title winner in the state of Idaho, tells his kids, "Practice starts at this time, it is your job to be ready to play".
Seems like a huge liability to me.
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Post by bmarsh07 on Jul 13, 2007 17:27:51 GMT -6
So what is everyone's "Dynamic Stretching" routine?
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Post by bulldogoption on Jul 14, 2007 3:22:19 GMT -6
With today's kids it seems you have to choose your battles......i.e. I am only going to get so many focused minutes from them and I'm not going to use them on warmups. We use a dynamic stretch that is laid back. But laid back doesn't have to mean screwing around either. It can be fast paced enough to require some focus on their part, but not enough so that I have to bark at them to be silent.
Dynamic warmup, IMO as a former track coach, should progressively increase movement....i.e. ab work should be first, sprints should be last.
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Post by ndoc on Jul 15, 2007 16:39:57 GMT -6
Our kids spend 6 1/2 hours a day running throught the halls on a school day. I tell them that if they are not warmed up by now they will never be loose. If we have an A.M. practice that is a different story.
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Post by coachroberts99 on Jul 16, 2007 5:36:00 GMT -6
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but can someone who subscribes to the short and sweet warm up method please list EXACTLY what they do..... I'm trying to replace our warm up, and could do with a framework to basically steal, lol!
Thanks in advance,
Matt
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Post by wingman on Jul 16, 2007 10:05:34 GMT -6
We line up with 9 running rope ladders and run through:
One foot each square
Two feet each square
Sideways
Icky shuffle
Running back
Hop Scotch
W's
Scissors
Bunny Hops
Slalom
i know you don't know what those are but those 10 take about 4-5 minutes. They are fast but short steps. We immediately go to full speed drills. We have 100+ guys and had NO hamstring or groin pulls the entire season.
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Post by dacoachmo on Jul 16, 2007 10:53:58 GMT -6
So what is everyone's "Dynamic Stretching" routine? so I'm getting that dynamic stretch is not the old school "feet together and touch your toes" |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 16, 2007 21:21:23 GMT -6
All we do is high knees for 10 yards down & back, butt kicks 10 yards down & back, and carioca 10 yards down & back.
It takes one minute.
Then we do whatever is one the schedule. It might be kicking game, individuals, team, full speed contact.
We have had zero muscle pulls, strains, or tears in three years of doing this and have been winning.
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