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Post by coachbdud on Jun 30, 2014 10:15:40 GMT -6
One of the questions I have for those of you who seem to be kind of "anti-practice" during the summer (not calling anyone out, I believe as much or more than anybody different strokes for different folks) is when do your players perfect their craft?
As posted before we have restrictions on what we can do in Summer.
Philosophically, and maybe it's because of my age, I feel kids need time to be kids. We can help them "perfect their craft" through strength training, conditioning, 7-on-7, camp(s), and especially Two-a-Days.
Practically, I am concerned about burn-out. I have seen good teams who do a lot in the Summer - workouts five days a week, couple 7-on-7s each week and tournaments on Saturdays, multiple weeks of camps - fizzle out come playoff time because a lot of the kids have had enough, just don't want to play Football anymore that year.
Personally, I don't want to start practice in August mad at kids because they missed something in June or July.
"To everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose.."
Personally I pretty much agree with your whole post I've noticed the shift in my lifetime from that idea to we have to practice everyday non stop football action. In my region of CA there are no summer rules, practice however you want... And I've seen it become a "keeping up with the jones' type of thing The top teams practiced more so others followed for fear of getting behind more than they already were... And now it is the norm If a HC chose not to practice til August he'd be chased out of town and blamed for being lazy lol
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Post by s73 on Jun 30, 2014 11:18:30 GMT -6
One of the questions I have for those of you who seem to be kind of "anti-practice" during the summer (not calling anyone out, I believe as much or more than anybody different strokes for different folks) is when do your players perfect their craft?
As posted before we have restrictions on what we can do in Summer.
Philosophically, and maybe it's because of my age, I feel kids need time to be kids. We can help them "perfect their craft" through strength training, conditioning, 7-on-7, camp(s), and especially Two-a-Days.
Practically, I am concerned about burn-out. I have seen good teams who do a lot in the Summer - workouts five days a week, couple 7-on-7s each week and tournaments on Saturdays, multiple weeks of camps - fizzle out come playoff time because a lot of the kids have had enough, just don't want to play Football anymore that year.
Personally, I don't want to start practice in August mad at kids because they missed something in June or July.
"To everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose.."
BLB & Fantom, excellent points. I am in agreement w/ you. I just edited this post to say what I'm "really getting at". Here's what Im really trying to say. 13 years ago I got my 1st HC gig and like many I took over a bad program and started to do what I thought "you were supposed to do". We used all summer time alotted by the state as well as 2 a days, blah and blah and you know the drill. For 2 years I did this and we were awful. Also, I felt our kids were burnt out. The following Spring I told my staff and admin that we were scaling back to about 60-70% of allowable time and no longer doing 2 a days (b/c let's face it, the 2nd practice always sucks anyway and some knucklehead is always off on the side puking his guts out from eating too much lunch anyhow). Well this is 11 years ago now, and I can tell you this approach was met w/ much skepticism. The AD looked at me all {censored} -eyed, I had a few assistants scratching their heads, and some parents even expressing thier concern. Nobody was willing to say it but, they all were thinking we stink and the idea is to do less? I feel most of them just felt I was getting lazy and maybe even somewhat giving up. Quite the contrary. I just felt practices needed more intensity and enthusiasm. I was after quality not quantity. Well, the 1st season we did this was the schools best seaosn in 13 years. The 2nd year was the schools best season in history. I used these 2 years to get me to a better job that fit me and my family better. Went through some similar reactions at first, b/c we were bad at first, then success came our way and everybody "jumped on board". Here's my point: 10 years ago I was lazy and not doing enough by the extremist "nazi types" who act like they own their players. Now 10 years later I think some of these posts have gone the other way a bit suggesting that if you do much of anything that you might be "stealing a summer". I think I have always been "happy medium". I take issue w/ the extremists on both ends. JMO.
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 30, 2014 14:41:44 GMT -6
coachbdud does your team pad up for summer stuff? I didn't know that NCS was that nutty. We do about 3-4 hours a week of skills/drills/team without gear. Our section can only pad up for camps, anything else is no pads or helmets.
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Post by coachdawhip on Jun 30, 2014 21:50:37 GMT -6
We practice about an 1:30 after weight lifting hour drills and 30 minutes 7on7 stuff. Helps the younger kids more than older M-Th 1 7on7 No 2 a days.
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 30, 2014 22:28:25 GMT -6
coachbdud does your team pad up for summer stuff? I didn't know that NCS was that nutty. We do about 3-4 hours a week of skills/drills/team without gear. Our section can only pad up for camps, anything else is no pads or helmets. We have DLS... they would do whatever they wanted regardless... NCS pretty much tries to keep them happy lol So rather than try to police all the allegations of DLS doing this, or any other school doing that... around 2004-5 somehwere around there NCS got rid of all summer rules... from the last CIF state event, up until the official start date in August (usually 2nd Monday of August) there are no NCS rules regarding practice we could pad up 5x a day, even sundays if we wanted to I will admit in the past, we focuses too much on pads and we got burnt out... last week was our first with any pads on, gave out gear monday last week we just did our usual drills and team on Air with pads to get used to moving and playing with them on we did form tackling as well every day as some CYA today was our first time actually popping some... nothing full out live, very quick whistle, but we popped in OL INDYs and went thud in team it makes our reps in OL so much better i feel, because now every drill is much more realistic this is latest and least amount we have done football in practice since I have been here, I feel a little bit behind with our team cmap beginning a week from tomorrow, and 4 quality teams coming in... but we are learning so much every day that the kids arent burnt out, they cant be because we have so much room to improve I do not know all of the other sections rules, but i know we have to be the loosest. I know SJS can only pad up for official camps within that some districts even have a 1 camp only rule, where schools can't use school equipment (school owns the pads) for a 2nd camp... the team would have to rent pads... which is pretty much their way of saying, YOU ONLY GET ONE CAMP That cooley act will probably pass which would probably put us all in the same ship for the 2015 summer
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