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Post by 33coach on Jun 21, 2014 16:28:00 GMT -6
leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billStatusClient.xhtmlthe game of football is about to be changed in california forever...what do yall think about it? to quote: This bill would express legislative findings and declarations relating to head injuries sustained by high school pupil-athletes, particularly those who play football. The bill would prohibit high school and middle school football teams of school districts, charter schools, or private schools that elect to offer an athletic program from conducting more than 2 full-contact practices, as defined, per week during the preseason and regular season. The bill would also prohibit the full-contact portion of a practice from exceeding 90 minutes in any single day, and completely prohibit full-contact practice during the off-season, as defined. The bill would urge the California Interscholastic Federation to develop and adopt rules to implement this provision. The bill would provide that these provisions do not prohibit the California Interscholastic Federation, an interscholastic athletic league, a school, a school district, or any other appropriate entity from adopting and enforcing rules intended to provide a higher standard of safety for athletes than the standard established under the bill. This bill would provide that an athlete suspected of sustaining a concussion or head injury is prohibited from returning to the athletic activity until the athlete is evaluated by a licensed health care provider, as defined to mean a licensed health care provider trained in the management of concussions and acting within the scope of his or her practice, and the athlete receives written clearance from the a licensed health care provider. The bill would further provide that, if the licensed health care provider determines that the athlete sustained a concussion or a head injury, the athlete is required to complete a graduated return-to-play protocol of no less than 7 days in duration under the supervision of a licensed health care provider. The bill would urge the California Interscholastic Federation to develop and adopt rules and protocols to implement this provision.
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souza12
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Post by souza12 on Jun 21, 2014 16:47:44 GMT -6
IDK.. Thats kind of the way it is now anyway isnt it?
Monday - Gameplan
Tuesday - Offense FULL-CONTACT
Wendesday - Defense FULL-CONTACT
Thursday - Non-contract walk-through
Friday - Game
Saturday - Film
Sunday - Off
And we already not allow kids to come out without written consent from a physician.
The big difference is for the schools that do a crap load of ccontact camps over the summer.
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 21, 2014 17:04:46 GMT -6
Define full-contact.
Is it when a collision occurs?
Is it when a collision occurs with a certain degree of momentum behind it?
What about with no pads but blocking shields, etc?
With pads on?
I think this is pretty stupid, tbh, because it ignores the reality of what a well-planned football practice should be while also being very vague with definitions.
If this bill passed as it is worded in your quote, I don't think it would really change very much of what I do as a coach.
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Post by 33coach on Jun 21, 2014 17:21:07 GMT -6
yea i found that strange as well. no defintion as to what "full contact" is.
are we differentiating between Control, Thud and Full Contact? i mean to be honest we have been 90% Control/Thud in practices for the past few years. very rarely do we go to the ground in drills unless its a tackling drill...
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 21, 2014 17:21:16 GMT -6
It's a terrible rule
95% of us aren't banging our kids up too much
But the ability to do reps in pads and work on proper technique IMO makes it safer for the kids in the fall
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Post by freezeoption on Jun 21, 2014 17:38:48 GMT -6
the reality is these guys don't know what is meant by thud, or going half shell, it sounds like they are trying to copy ncaa stipulations, a kid can get hurt without gear on as well with it, our state added restrictions last year that meant more of a headache, but it was for safety reasons they said
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 21, 2014 18:06:22 GMT -6
But the ability to do reps in pads and work on proper technique IMO makes it safer for the kids in the fall I would bet many if not most states do not do reps in pads in the offseason... |
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Post by bluedevil4 on Jun 21, 2014 21:16:09 GMT -6
Michigan here. A similar rule has been put in place (I believe it's for all NFHS though). It won't affect us much, since at the varsity level, we only go "gloves off," live for maybe half an hour for the entire week (we usually script 15 live plays for offensive day, 15 for defensive day). We're only in full pads two days of the week. This is how most other varsity programs play around here as well. It will affect some programs however, as we do have a couple "jarhead," programs in our conference who are smashing heads every chance they get. Those teams aren't very good anyways.
No one around here wears pads in the offseason either.
As others said too, it is hard to define full contact, thud, etc. They can try and crack down on it, but it shouldn't make a big difference.
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 21, 2014 21:27:26 GMT -6
But the ability to do reps in pads and work on proper technique IMO makes it safer for the kids in the fall I would bet many if not most states do not do reps in pads in the offseason... We don't hit much The biggest worry I have is it wouldn't allow us to do team camps in the summer This hurts us in two areas 1. I run my own multi team camp that has been out biggest fundraiser each of the last two years. We don't have enough money for equipment for all 3 levels without the money this camp brings in... So it worries me losing the camp 2. Camp is a great litmus test for us every year... It's our best chance to see what we really have before the season starts...what we can execute well and what needs more work... It's a major thing our kids and staff look forward to all year long Im |
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souza12
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Post by souza12 on Jun 21, 2014 22:49:57 GMT -6
You can still host that camp.. youre just gonna have to try and get reliable programs committed early
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 21, 2014 23:40:31 GMT -6
You can still host that camp.. youre just gonna have to try and get reliable programs committed early I don't think so... It states NO full contact practice in the off season It also states any team camp shall be considered the same as a practice It mentions "pre season" as 30 days prior to the start of the regular season, which puts us around last week of July/first week of August That's later than usual but I guess theoretically I could do a 2 day camp, with 90 minutes per day of actual contact scrimmaging I think it said in preseason and season you're allowed 90 minutes of full contact per day, and 2 practices per week |
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Post by souza12 on Jun 21, 2014 23:55:25 GMT -6
Camp in the last week of July doesnt seem too unreasonable to me.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 22, 2014 7:16:55 GMT -6
PA just pushed through the 90 mins of full contact a week for this season. Their defenition of full contact was 11-11 tackling to the ground. So basically it means nothing. We can still do all drills etc in full pads with contact just have to limit basically team O/D to 90 mins. Which if you are doing that much anyways you should probably have your head examined!
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 22, 2014 9:58:47 GMT -6
I would bet many if not most states do not do reps in pads in the offseason... We don't hit much The biggest worry I have is it wouldn't allow us to do team camps in the summer This hurts us in two areas 1. I run my own multi team camp that has been out biggest fundraiser each of the last two years. We don't have enough money for equipment for all 3 levels without the money this camp brings in... So it worries me losing the camp 2. Camp is a great litmus test for us every year... It's our best chance to see what we really have before the season starts...what we can execute well and what needs more work... It's a major thing our kids and staff look forward to all year long Im Do you guys have spring ball? |
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 22, 2014 10:57:33 GMT -6
We don't hit much The biggest worry I have is it wouldn't allow us to do team camps in the summer This hurts us in two areas 1. I run my own multi team camp that has been out biggest fundraiser each of the last two years. We don't have enough money for equipment for all 3 levels without the money this camp brings in... So it worries me losing the camp 2. Camp is a great litmus test for us every year... It's our best chance to see what we really have before the season starts...what we can execute well and what needs more work... It's a major thing our kids and staff look forward to all year long Im Do you guys have spring ball? Yes But can't do anything with pads We can do drills all day Long but at the end of the day it's a physical game and I feel you need reps in pads to see where the kids really are |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 22, 2014 11:15:26 GMT -6
Do you guys have spring ball? Yes But can't do anything with pads We can do drills all day Long but at the end of the day it's a physical game and I feel you need reps in pads to see where the kids really are So, you have a "regulated" "in season" spring football period, but you can't use pads. Then you (prior to this act) had basically an unregulated, do whatever you want, whenever you want throughout the summer? |
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 22, 2014 11:35:42 GMT -6
Exactly
Once the "summer period" begins
Until the set season start date in August
We can do literally anything we want
We could practice 5x on Sunday in full gear if we wanted
This is just our section of CA which is probably the loosest, pretty much stemmed from our sections inability to govern and punish teams who were breaking the old rules... De la Salle and others would cheat, people complain and try to get then in trouble, doesn't work, so then they start doing the same thing
Eventually our section just got tired of the complaints and trying to police it so they started this policy close to 10 years ago now
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Post by Coach Vint on Jun 22, 2014 21:53:09 GMT -6
In Texas we have worked hard to be out in front on the issue of concussions and player safety. Last year a law was passed limiting us to 90 minutes of full contact during practice each week. Do you know how many schools this affected? Very few. I don't know if there was a school in Texas this affected. We typically go out 10 minutes a week of full contact. We also have a concussion management team. Our team doctor is on that team. We always error on the side of caution. I don't think it does a disservice to anyone.
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Post by spartan on Jun 22, 2014 22:35:17 GMT -6
Statistically soccer has a higher concussion rate then football. So I hope they practice fall down a lot less then us.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jun 23, 2014 22:17:36 GMT -6
This rule wouldn't effect us if it were here in Florida. However, we all know that this is simply "the camel's nose" with legislation. Everyone will HAVE to agree with it, but it won't stop more and more concussion legislation. The NFL stuff is just now getting cranked up, for THEM it's about getting more of the owners money. OK fine, there's billions of $ out there for them. But for OUR game, well nothing, as you know.
I'm all for keeping kids safe, we go to a number of what some might consider extreme here in Florida in regard to the heat issues. We have a rule for mandatory water breaks at 30min, we go 20 minutes and it doesn't cause us any problems in years as far as getting kids ready. So safety rules are good.
A problem is "what is the truth?" It all depends on who is telling it.
Less contact at practice wouldn't hurt us I don't think.
BUT, we hit sleds, dummies, the ground, we bump into alot of things, just not always people.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 23, 2014 22:28:08 GMT -6
BUT, we hit sleds, dummies, the ground, we bump into alot of things, just not always people. This is a great point OJW, particularly since the research is showing that it isn't big hits, but the sub-concussive but repetitive collisions that may be the most dangerous. Not only that, BUT as we trend away from contact issues in practice, how far until we are now no longer getting enough practice with contact to help prevent catastrophic injury (ie necks) |
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 24, 2014 10:53:17 GMT -6
That's my concern. When do we legislate the reduction of padded practice so much that kids are getting hurt because of a lack of time spent in pads? There is definitely an acclimation process involved with younger kids in regards to fully padded contact. How much of that can we keep taking away until it becomes detrimental to their well being?
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Post by k on Jun 30, 2014 18:03:50 GMT -6
In Texas we have worked hard to be out in front on the issue of concussions and player safety. Last year a law was passed limiting us to 90 minutes of full contact during practice each week. Do you know how many schools this affected? Very few. I don't know if there was a school in Texas this affected. We typically go out 10 minutes a week of full contact. We also have a concussion management team. Our team doctor is on that team. We always error on the side of caution. I don't think it does a disservice to anyone. They passed the same 90 minutes here. The big pain in the butt is that you need to record your tempo on your practice plan and can't change it once or risk litigation. |
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