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Post by nltdiego on Jun 16, 2014 17:39:49 GMT -6
Have you coaches ever dealt with this? Curious what the expectation is from the coach and player?
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 16, 2014 18:18:02 GMT -6
Depending on interpretation, it's basically just not eating during the day and eating at night. If he's careful about it it shouldn't matter.
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Post by fantom on Jun 16, 2014 19:32:16 GMT -6
Depending on interpretation, it's basically just not eating during the day and eating at night. If he's careful about it it shouldn't matter. The biggest thing is to have a plan to get him breaks during games. It does affect their stamina some. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Jun 16, 2014 19:56:05 GMT -6
Biggest expectation would be to talk with him and his family. Make sure you completely understand what it will impact, if anything as Ramadan falls during different times on our calendar year. This year it ends July 28th so it may just be allowing the player to do independent conditioning, possibly missing a few 7 on 7s or being monitored extremely closely. Just talk to them and adjust accordingly.
Side not, there was a documentary about a team in Deerborn Michigan that was predominantly Muslim and 2 a days hit during Ramadan that year. They practiced at like 2 or 3 in the morning so that they could satisfy all the dietary requirements. Once again, not 100% certain but in the film there was something about drinking during sun up that was a major reason they went at night.
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Post by mc140 on Jun 16, 2014 22:32:58 GMT -6
Depending on interpretation, it's basically just not eating during the day and eating at night. If he's careful about it it shouldn't matter. They can not drink water either... Sometimes their parents allow water, but not always. |
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Post by norcaldiaz on Jun 16, 2014 22:52:49 GMT -6
Here's an article written a few years back about some players I coached and how they handled football along with observing Ramadan: www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_10593399Probably had about a dozen or so kids over the years who did this. None of them ever wanted to miss anything, if anything coaches would hold them out if they were looking like it could be unhealthy. Our trainers did a good job keeping an eye on them in practice as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 9:32:58 GMT -6
Fordson: Faith, Fasting, Football
It's on Netflix if you have it. Pretty awesome documentary.
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 18, 2014 10:43:49 GMT -6
We had a player 2 years ago and have one now
It's the no water that concerns me
We tell them to eat and drink as much as they can right before sun up
They are expected to be at practice and watch but don't have to participate in drills or conditioning
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 18, 2014 11:04:38 GMT -6
It's up to the kid. If he can do a drill then he can do the drill. If he's not up for it, then that's fine. It's not ideal, but I'm not about to end up on the news because I made a kid run Oklahoma and pass out because he's been fasting.
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2014 11:08:59 GMT -6
We had a player 2 years ago and have one now It's the no water that concerns me We tell them to eat and drink as much as they can right before sun up They are expected to be at practice and watch but don't have to participate in drills or conditioning Our kids did everything. They just got more breaks. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 18, 2014 12:00:09 GMT -6
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Post by airraider on Jun 18, 2014 13:03:05 GMT -6
Try coaching at 7th Day Adventist.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jun 18, 2014 13:41:55 GMT -6
we allowed the kids to bring food to the field. at the appropriate time, we allowed them to stop whatthey were doing to go eat and also get water like someone mentioned above. we had a coach with a cell phone that had the exact time so the kids would know
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 18, 2014 16:05:55 GMT -6
we allowed the kids to bring food to the field. at the appropriate time, we allowed them to stop whatthey were doing to go eat and also get water like someone mentioned above. we had a coach with a cell phone that had the exact time so the kids would know Wait, isn't Ramadan where they can't eat or drink when the sun is up? |
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Post by Chris Clement on Jun 18, 2014 17:50:34 GMT -6
we allowed the kids to bring food to the field. at the appropriate time, we allowed them to stop whatthey were doing to go eat and also get water like someone mentioned above. we had a coach with a cell phone that had the exact time so the kids would know Wait, isn't Ramadan where they can't eat or drink when the sun is up? Yes, I assume they practiced around sundown. |
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jun 18, 2014 17:56:33 GMT -6
Had this happen a few years back. I was very concerned about the impact football practice would have on players participating. I ended up setting up a meeting with there religious leaders and they where very helpful and informative. Basicly they insested and stressed the importance that for religious reasons they be treated the same. Of course we where very watch full and may have cut down conditioning a bit but it was status quo for us. Was honestly kind of inspiring to see them press threw the grind do to there convictions.
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Post by jgordon1 on Jun 18, 2014 19:10:20 GMT -6
we allowed the kids to bring food to the field. at the appropriate time, we allowed them to stop whatthey were doing to go eat and also get water like someone mentioned above. we had a coach with a cell phone that had the exact time so the kids would know Wait, isn't Ramadan where they can't eat or drink when the sun is up? Yes we don't start practice until 415..school starts at 855 |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 18, 2014 20:23:19 GMT -6
Wait, isn't Ramadan where they can't eat or drink when the sun is up? Yes we don't start practice until 415..school starts at 855 Gotcha. I was really confused because I thought it was in the summer every year. I just looked it up and learned differently. |
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Post by dubber on Jun 19, 2014 9:57:07 GMT -6
I just want to say, as someone who has been on this site since 2006, that I am thus far VERY impressed by how we have taken a topic with a religious connotation and kept it football focus.
I think it shows how with the proper leadership (@coachhuey), even an internet forum can grow to be disciplined and mature.
Thanks to all who have made this thread infromative (and not distractive) for me.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 19, 2014 10:50:46 GMT -6
Try coaching at 7th Day Adventist. They're the ones who can't do anything on Saturday correct? Had one of those on one of our teams one year. Kid never got to play in a single playoff game the year we made semis because of it. He wasn't very good so it didn't really make that big of a ripple on the team. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jun 19, 2014 16:28:53 GMT -6
I just want to say, as someone who has been on this site since 2006, that I am thus far VERY impressed by how we have taken a topic with a religious connotation and kept it football focus. I think it shows how with the proper leadership (@coachhuey), even an internet forum can grow to be disciplined and mature. Thanks to all who have made this thread infromative (and not distractive) for me. Interesting. In my somewhat short time on this board and in this profession, I've found football coaches to be about the least political group of people I know. Sure, there is always that one guy forwarding the anti-Obama emails (that probably didn't read the email before he forwarded it or even vote) but as a whole I've found they care about ball a lot more. |
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Post by airraider on Jun 19, 2014 21:20:08 GMT -6
Try coaching at 7th Day Adventist. They're the ones who can't do anything on Saturday correct? Had one of those on one of our teams one year. Kid never got to play in a single playoff game the year we made semis because of it. He wasn't very good so it didn't really make that big of a ripple on the team. Can't do anything from sundown Friday until sundown Sunday! Buddy of mine had a girl who at the time was 2 feet over the state record in the triple jump... they did most of their meets on fridays and she was done before the sun went down... but state was on a Sat and she couldn't go... |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 20, 2014 10:45:19 GMT -6
They're the ones who can't do anything on Saturday correct? Had one of those on one of our teams one year. Kid never got to play in a single playoff game the year we made semis because of it. He wasn't very good so it didn't really make that big of a ripple on the team. Can't do anything from sundown Friday until sundown Sunday! Buddy of mine had a girl who at the time was 2 feet over the state record in the triple jump... they did most of their meets on fridays and she was done before the sun went down... but state was on a Sat and she couldn't go... Huh. That kid never had an issue playing on Friday nights. |
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Post by airraider on Jun 20, 2014 11:06:18 GMT -6
Can't do anything from sundown Friday until sundown Sunday! Buddy of mine had a girl who at the time was 2 feet over the state record in the triple jump... they did most of their meets on fridays and she was done before the sun went down... but state was on a Sat and she couldn't go... Huh. That kid never had an issue playing on Friday nights. Heck I don't know.. I am just going by what this coach said.. after reading a little, I see that its sunset friday until sunset sat... says nothing about Sunday... so not really sure. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 20, 2014 11:38:47 GMT -6
I'm not even sure that's what the kid was. He was really out there and didn't really factor into anything we did, so we didn't really investigate or care.
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Post by coachklee on Jun 27, 2014 19:48:45 GMT -6
Try coaching at 7th Day Adventist. The nothing after sundown on Friday was annoying when I coached JV softball. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by mc140 on Jul 7, 2014 22:35:56 GMT -6
Today was our first day back since this started and we have four kids observing. Three are allowed to drink water and one is not. It was hot and humid today too. I was shocked at how well the one who went without water kept up.
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Post by chrisdoc54 on Jul 9, 2014 8:12:54 GMT -6
Hey Guys,
I was a Defensive Line coach at a disciplinary school in PA. Some of our players celebrated Ramadan, and it was hard on them and the rest of the team as well. During this time our guys would be sluggish and temperamental during practice, due to lack of calories and proper nutrition. As a coaching staff we had to take this into consideration and help the players as much as we could. Basically we would ensure that they had as much as they wanted to eat after practice at the proper time for their religious belief. We pushed them to eat and hydrate throughout the night and informed their staff of their situation. We had the advantage of dealing with the kids 24/7 since it was a disciplinary boarding school. The situation in an outside setting would be dictated by their parents/ guardians willingness and understanding to push their kids to eat and drink sufficient calories when able. It is an unconventional challenge for coaches, but it can be dealt with. Good lick.
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