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Post by coachsmith on Jul 5, 2007 22:58:34 GMT -6
When attempting to tackle a player who has a great stiff arm, what are some points you give your player so he can have the best chance to escape a stiff arm and make the play?
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Post by coachjim on Jul 6, 2007 0:08:09 GMT -6
Go low, wrap the ankles.
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 6, 2007 1:41:50 GMT -6
my senior year we had a stud RB i played with , he gave the best stiff arms i have ever seen. he would actually give closed fist stiff arms, literally punching the defender off of him, amazing to see it on film. dont know how to stop someone with a move like that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2007 6:45:45 GMT -6
Gotta be lower than the hand can go. Otherwise you have to run through it til the elbow buckles.
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Post by tiger46 on Jul 6, 2007 7:06:25 GMT -6
Stay low. Keep driving your feet. Explode through the runner.
Keep driving your feet. Keep driving your feet. Keep driving your feet.
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Post by wingt74 on Jul 6, 2007 9:26:40 GMT -6
Stay low. Keep driving your feet. Explode through the runner. Keep driving your feet. Keep driving your feet. Keep driving your feet. Problem is...stiff arms are mainly used during open field opportunities. In the open field, tacklers REALLY need to break down and make a sure tackle, especially against a quick little burner type runner. To me, I would rather my tackler do something to bring down the ball carrier more consistently, even if it means taking a stiff then do something to battle against the stiff arm and completly miss the tackle (like trying to fire hard and low against the ball carrier in the open field) |
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Post by tiger46 on Jul 6, 2007 10:22:51 GMT -6
Stay low. Keep driving your feet. Explode through the runner. Keep driving your feet. Keep driving your feet. Keep driving your feet. Problem is...stiff arms are mainly used during open field opportunities. In the open field, tacklers REALLY need to break down and make a sure tackle, especially against a quick little burner type runner. To me, I would rather my tackler do something to bring down the ball carrier more consistently, even if it means taking a stiff then do something to battle against the stiff arm and completly miss the tackle (like trying to fire hard and low against the ball carrier in the open field) |
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Post by tiger46 on Jul 6, 2007 10:42:40 GMT -6
wingt74,
That was kind of my point. Keep your eyes on your target and keep your feet moving. A good breakdown is part of a good tackle, imo.
The most problems I ever had when getting stiff-armed was when I left my feet and tried to 'knock his head off' or when I was forced to reach for the runner..
I did a lot better when I kept my eyes on my target at waist level, drove hard at him with a good wrap up. Lifted the runner and kept my feet moving.
I'm only a youth coach. But, stiff arms are a huge weapon against youth defenses; maybe even more so than at higher levels because younger kids tend to want to 'recess football' tackle where reaching and tugging on another kid's nice school shirt that Momma bought him is enough to stop the runner. Or, worse(from a tackling coach's point of view), they're playing touch football.
I have to spend constant time breaking those habits and reinforcing solid tackling. We practice a lot of form, angle and open-field tackling. And, sometimes they would still do it wrong in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2007 11:32:42 GMT -6
May be a side point, but we don't teach "break down" etc. on tackling. I worked with a guy 12 years ago that said when you break down your feet stop moving or move a lot slower and in the open field you can't let your feet stop moving or lose momentum. He said it was about controlling momentum. So when we teach open field tackling we talk about body position and moving into a position where a runner has only one move and that is away from you. If you get in that position now you get to accelerate through his hips.
To tie that in with the stiff arm, if you're close enough to a man to wrap on him, then the stiff arm he throws isn't with a straight arm. He's had to throw it by that point. But I maintain that even a good stiff-arm makes a runner slow down (like when a receiver looks back for a deep ball). So when that arm comes out, it's coming out because you're now a threat so that's when you can accelerate through the arm and hip. You get a chance to catch up to him or his arm can't hold you off and the elbow buckles thus letting you get into his body.
It's a powerful weapon, but I think if you get good body position and accelerate through, you can minimize its effect. You have to go through the arm to the body.
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Post by spartancoach on Jul 6, 2007 11:36:39 GMT -6
Think about baseball.
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Post by jhanawa on Jul 6, 2007 11:59:25 GMT -6
Think about baseball. I'd rather not.....LOL In fact, I'd rather deport the sport and have year round football, but thats another converstion.... 
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Post by tiger46 on Jul 6, 2007 12:29:47 GMT -6
"It's a powerful weapon, but I think if you get good body position and accelerate through, you can minimize its effect. You have to go through the arm to the body."
Exactly. Explode, drive, fire....whatever you call it....through the arm into the ball carrier's body.
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Post by coachsmith on Jul 6, 2007 13:19:36 GMT -6
Thanks for the great responses guys
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 7, 2007 4:14:14 GMT -6
I am with irishblitzer on this one. Not sure why, but it seems that despite how you define it, when you say the words "break down" the result is kids dropping into a squat position and losing all momentum.
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