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Post by Wingtman on Jun 5, 2014 17:09:07 GMT -6
Anyone ever done this? I know its common for a day or two in the NFL, and a few schools in this area get together a couple days a summer, run drills and scrimmage.
What, other then hitting someone not wearing the same helmet as you and getting another teams 1's are benefits?
What are the problems?
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Post by tatertide03 on Jun 5, 2014 19:13:13 GMT -6
We do it with a school that's Coach use to coach at our school. he''s the old OC. So it works well for us because they have similar terminology and practice drills. We do like a OTA's type of prac. We do some kind of line competition why skill does 1 on1's. We then do Blitz Pick up while 7 on 7 is going on then we come together for 11 on 11 and do situations like coming out, going in, 3rd downs and 2 minute.
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Post by John Knight on Jun 6, 2014 18:48:08 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Jun 6, 2014 18:53:13 GMT -6
Can you do it in conjunction with a scrimmage? If you have a scrimmage, can the team come in and practice with you before the scrimmage? |
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Post by John Knight on Jun 7, 2014 5:28:54 GMT -6
nope, you get 2 scrimmages per year and one Jamboree which a scrimmage where you send money to the OHSAA. Any time 2 teams practice it is a scrimmage.
SCRIMMAGES
1.21) Any practice or workout including two or more teams or partial teams is a
scrimmage.
1.22) No admissions, collections or donations can be required for spectator attendance
at a scrimmage.
1.23) Grades 9-12 – Scrimmages may be held after a minimum of seven days of
practice and prior to the first game.
1.24) Grades 9-12 may participate in a maximum of two scrimmages not to exceed
three hours in length. The three-hour time limit begins when the scrimmage
begins. In addition to two scrimmages, high school teams may participate in
a third preseason contest, a Jamboree. (see 1.3 on the next page)
Now if you want to practice for an hour and then scrimmage on the same day, yes. 3 hour limit for all kids involved though so if you want your jv to get work you have to try to schedule seperate scrimmages and not let those kids dress for varsity scrimmage.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jun 7, 2014 6:11:18 GMT -6
A few years ago we did this with another school. It was technically our first scrimmage, and then we had our other scrimmage and our Jamboree.
We did Inside Run/7 on 7/Team against each other. Before that each school had about a 15-20m Indy period.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jun 7, 2014 16:53:19 GMT -6
We did this a few years ago when one of the local high schools rotated off our schedule for two years. The two HC's started from the same program back in the day.
It went well, a lot of competition in everyday practice drills. And it was a good thing they rotated off, they were damn good those two years.
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Post by realdawg on Jun 7, 2014 17:35:44 GMT -6
Did this a few years ago as well. School we did it with, HC was good friends with our HC, and his staff was very small and limited. So they came over and we basically coached both teams and coached there coaches as well. We did Indy together, inside run (they ran the same D as us, so when we were on O our D coaches and there D coaches both coached there kids). 7 on 7 and team. Went really well. Both sides left happy. They felt like there kids and coaches had gotten better and we got the chance to practice against some live bullets.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 7, 2014 18:10:07 GMT -6
Would it count if both schools filled out paperwork as if it were a two team camp?
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 8, 2014 9:58:38 GMT -6
A few years back the staff I was on was all set to do this during our bye week with another team, actually. Looked into the rules, it was given the OK by the necessary parties, didn't happen because the other team had a bad, bad run of luck with injuries and needed that time to heal up and build up the back ups who were now starters.
I really liked the idea of a very controlled in-season scrimmage during the bye week, seemed like it would've been a lot of fun.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 8, 2014 14:49:06 GMT -6
Would it count if both schools filled out paperwork as if it were a two team camp? Not all states allow full contact "team camps" so wouldn't work everywhere. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 8, 2014 15:30:46 GMT -6
We did a camp last year with 3 other local teams. Other than getting to hit someone else there were a few other benefits. I'm an offensive guy so seeing how other defenses would adjust to take things away was a nice learning experience. Also, we had all kids from all teams in individual periods. It was beneficial to have coaches from other schools echoing a lot of the same fundamental points that we do. You can tell a kid something, but sometimes they have to hear it from others before they believe it.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 8, 2014 21:48:35 GMT -6
I actually dislike the individual work with other staffs and teams. I don't want my DE working BDSD stuff if he plays every down in a head up position. I don't want my ILB doing RB flow drills. But, I agree that the contact is the biggest advantage.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 9, 2014 10:59:07 GMT -6
I actually dislike the individual work with other staffs and teams. I don't want my DE working BDSD stuff if he plays every down in a head up position. I don't want my ILB doing RB flow drills. But, I agree that the contact is the biggest advantage. I wasn't a fan of that aspect either. Likewise, I didn't need our OL learning gap schemes and whatnot when all we ran was zone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 14:50:11 GMT -6
We have done it before and it was a good thing. We did not go together during the whole time. It was structured like:
Pre-practice(separate)
Indy(separate)
Special teams(vs)
7on7/1 on 1 Pass Pro(vs.)
Inside run/1 on 1s(vs.)
Team(vs)
I would not want to do shared Indy for the reasons shared by above posters
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 10, 2014 18:29:58 GMT -6
We have done it before and it was a good thing. We did not go together during the whole time. It was structured like: Pre-practice(separate) Indy(separate) Special teams(vs) 7on7/1 on 1 Pass Pro(vs.) Inside run/1 on 1s(vs.) Team(vs) I would not want to do shared Indy for the reasons shared by above posters I really like this structure, and think we could have taken away a ton from it if this is how we did it. Shared Indy absolutely sucked though. If you do any kind of joint camp, don't do shared Indy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 21:41:01 GMT -6
This is one of my favorite things we did for prep. I would gladly exchange a half of jamboree football for this time.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jun 11, 2014 20:20:53 GMT -6
Shared Indys can work. You need to communicate with the other coaches in what they coach. When we did it, Our Dline was separate but the Linebackers were together because of the different/similar technique used.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 11, 2014 22:07:15 GMT -6
Just don't see the benefit in shared Indy if you have enough equipment/bodies to go it alone. Indy is my time to teach and fine tune the fundamentals of the positions. I definitely see the value of getting a good vs good scenario in 7v7 or team since I'm trying to foster a competitive atmosphere. But, that's not my goal in Indy.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jun 12, 2014 20:48:48 GMT -6
Its good to hit, strike, race and compete against other people. Even if its something, as simple as, working pass rush moves, scraping off blocks or working on press man technique.
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Post by jlenwood on Jun 18, 2014 20:16:27 GMT -6
Are 7 on 7's considered a scrimmage. We figure them as part of our 10 days allowed, but should they be counted as a scrimmage? |
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Post by John Knight on Jun 19, 2014 10:47:49 GMT -6
no.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jun 19, 2014 13:18:59 GMT -6
Are 7 on 7's considered a scrimmage. We figure them as part of our 10 days allowed, but should they be counted as a scrimmage? I wouldn't count them as scrimmage because 7 on 7 isn't really football. |
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