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Post by coachb0 on May 30, 2014 3:40:51 GMT -6
I just read this short post about stealing as a means of learning: www.thenategreenexperience.com/steal-from-the-best/Especially this quote is what can be applied to coaching as we all realize, that we are copying successful ideas: That is why I want to know from you: who is the Coach that you are trying to steal from the most to learn about what you want to do? who is the coach you actually learned (stole) the most from? What does it tell you about yourself? |
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Post by coachwoodall on May 30, 2014 6:34:57 GMT -6
If you take something from one coach, that's stealing. If you take something from a bunch of coaches that called research.
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Post by fantom on May 30, 2014 7:23:46 GMT -6
I just read this short post about stealing as a means of learning: www.thenategreenexperience.com/steal-from-the-best/Especially this quote is what can be applied to coaching as we all realize, that we are copying successful ideas: That is why I want to know from you: who is the Coach that you are trying to steal from the most to learn about what you want to do? who is the coach you actually learned (stole) the most from? What does it tell you about yourself? Everything that we do is stolen, from our defensive system all the way down to coaching phrases. We've stolen so much stuff that I couldn't begin to remember where everything came from. We don't just steal from the best, either. We'll steal from the mediocre to bad if they have something that we like. |
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Post by mattharris75 on May 30, 2014 8:03:48 GMT -6
I don't like the term stealing. I think that implies taking something that you don't have a right to take. In the coaching profession you aren't obligated to share the how, the why, or the specific technique of anything that you do outside of your staff. But by putting a product on the field every Friday night you've just got to recognize that everything that occurs out there is a matter of public record, and it will be recorded and proliferated at least to some degree. And that is at least somewhat out of your control. So simply as an inherent part of what we do we lend tacit approval to others to analyze and glean whatever they can from that product. Our results, if not our methods, are more or less community property. At least that's the justification in my mind.  |
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Post by breakerdog on May 30, 2014 9:30:56 GMT -6
"I've said this before: If you weren't in the room with Amos Alonzo Stagg and Knute Rockne, you stole it from somebody,"
- Chip Kelly
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Post by agap on May 30, 2014 9:39:08 GMT -6
I just read this short post about stealing as a means of learning: www.thenategreenexperience.com/steal-from-the-best/Especially this quote is what can be applied to coaching as we all realize, that we are copying successful ideas: That is why I want to know from you: who is the Coach that you are trying to steal from the most to learn about what you want to do? who is the coach you actually learned (stole) the most from? What does it tell you about yourself? I don't have one coach I learn the most from. I've gotten stuff from many different high schools and colleges, as long as I can find a way to make it fit our system. There's many different ways to do things, so I'm not going to always get stuff from one or two coaches. |
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Post by souza12 on May 30, 2014 11:41:13 GMT -6
There is a very small percentage of coaches that have anything completely original anyway
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Post by georgefred86 on May 30, 2014 12:32:26 GMT -6
I'm always interested in the latest coaching trends that have shown results ... no matter the program or the coach. The way we practice now compared to 15-20 years ago has completely changed ... our tempo, blaring music, no static stretching, film every practice, limited full contact, etc. Personally it just keeps getting better and I'm always looking forward to the new trends that keep this game progressing forward!
So right now I am heavily influenced by the coaches that are having success and doing it a different way ... Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, Jim Harbaugh, Kliff Kingsbury, Mike Leach ... besides being at the top or near the top of their profession these are interesting guys that are not afraid to do it differently.
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Post by coachphillip on May 30, 2014 12:32:50 GMT -6
Some of my favorite coaching phrases come from some of the worst coaches I've ever known. Some are useful even if the coach themselves never did it: "This is spring ball! Less WHO to block, more HOW to block!" Some are deep no matter how shallow the source: "We don't coach players. We coach kids." Some are just entertaining as all get out: "No girls during the season! They're bad for you! They make you soft more than they make you hard!"
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Post by Wingtman on May 31, 2014 12:19:27 GMT -6
I have combined my offensive system from several disiplines, double wing/wing t. The terminology is straight from my high school football coach and his wing t system. Verbage, hole # system, all of it.
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Post by coachweav88 on May 31, 2014 14:11:23 GMT -6
I've been taking a lot from Frosty Westering. I've never met him, but I have both of his books and audio recordings of him explaining his philosophy. I just love the peace and joy that he coached with regardless of the results.
I also enjoy John Gagliardi's philosophy: Eliminate the unnecessary.
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Post by mariner42 on May 31, 2014 14:29:22 GMT -6
I just read this short post about stealing as a means of learning: www.thenategreenexperience.com/steal-from-the-best/Especially this quote is what can be applied to coaching as we all realize, that we are copying successful ideas: That is why I want to know from you: who is the Coach that you are trying to steal from the most to learn about what you want to do? who is the coach you actually learned (stole) the most from? What does it tell you about yourself? This is close to a topic that's been at the forefront for me that last year or two, which is the process by which someone becomes a 'master' at something. Basically, before you innovate, you need to duplicate. Every coach who did something new started with something old and then changed it. So you BETTER be stealing something at the start before you ever try to create your own thing. As far as your 3 questions: Trying to steal - I have a professional crush on the offense that bigm0073 runs. Every time I see it on film, I start thinking about the future that I could have together with his offense and how I could really see myself settling down and committing to it... What? Don't make it weird. Stole from the most - Randy Blankenship. Pretty famous out here in CA. Worked for him for a year. Most miserable experience of my life, but the dude honestly taught me more in a season than I'd been taught in the rest of my career combined. Nowadays all I want is to get back under his tutelage. Tell about me - I'm a recovering egomaniac who is trying to figure out the offensive identity he wants now that he feels like he's got a good handle of defense. |
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Post by coachcb on May 31, 2014 15:21:25 GMT -6
Everything sound that anyone currently coaching has drawn up on a napkin has already been installed and run by someone else.
It's not stealing; no one has a trademark or license on Xs and Os. Otherwise, you spread guys would have been sued by Nike for running "Oregon's Offense" a long, long time ago. I'd be a slave to Tubby Reynold's estate as I'm a Wing T Kool Aid drinker.
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Post by coachbdud on May 31, 2014 16:16:02 GMT -6
A mentor once told me knowledge not shared is knowledge wasted
I've probably stolen just about everything I know or do... Maybe 5% came as an original idea
But I (and I think most of us do this) "pay it forward" and continue sharing that knowledge with others
I'm not stealing and hoarding it away like I'm keeping a big secret
I like spreading knowledge
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jun 1, 2014 13:02:34 GMT -6
For me the coachs I steal from the most are those I have the closest relation to. Have a in with one of the Gibbs tree of coachs so get alot into what they do. Hc played for Greatwood at oregon and I was played jc ball with a coach at wisconsin so u follow those guys alot. Did a year of the tfs so got into. Some of that coaching tree also.
Do consider it stealing but the coachs I have more of a personal connection to I tend to follow and take parts of what they do.
As far as coachs or teams I don't know that I'm really interested in I love the resurgence in physical power based football teams like stanford Michigan State alabama and guys from the Boise State staff and even the Harbaugh brothers use in contrast to all the pass heavy teams. On a hs level I really enjoy james vint ' s stuff.
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Post by 33coach on Jun 1, 2014 13:16:31 GMT -6
I just read this short post about stealing as a means of learning: www.thenategreenexperience.com/steal-from-the-best/Especially this quote is what can be applied to coaching as we all realize, that we are copying successful ideas: That is why I want to know from you: who is the Coach that you are trying to steal from the most to learn about what you want to do? who is the coach you actually learned (stole) the most from? What does it tell you about yourself? Our offense is stolen a lot from the Delaware staff (Tubby) and Hugh Wyatt. We are a 100/900 shotgun wing team. We will either out scheme you with counters and bucks. Or we will run your a$$ over with the double wing power. Or defense is borrowed from many systems: --SDSU for General philosophy (33 stack) --Old Bo Michigan for our front rules (slant 50) --Saban for the cover 3 principals (4 under 3 deep) Sent from my VS980 4G using proboards |
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Post by joker31 on Jun 1, 2014 18:26:20 GMT -6
If you aren't something from other coaches/programs, you probably aren't very good.
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Post by tyhpu10 on Jun 3, 2014 13:29:13 GMT -6
My head football coach from high school says, "The dumbest person you come across in life will say at least 1 intelligent thing, it is your fault if you miss this 1 thing."
Therefore, if I don't learn from the people around me and use/filter the information that they are presenting, it is my fault for not growing. Guess that is stealing.
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Post by 4slife0 on Jun 20, 2014 14:37:12 GMT -6
I've been taking a lot from Frosty Westering. I've never met him, but I have both of his books and audio recordings of him explaining his philosophy. I just love the peace and joy that he coached with regardless of the results. I also enjoy John Gagliardi's philosophy: Eliminate the unnecessary. I too love Frosty's book where may I ask did you find audio recordings on Frosty? |
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Post by dubber on Jun 20, 2014 16:55:19 GMT -6
Here
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Post by spreadpowero on Jun 20, 2014 19:01:55 GMT -6
Just about everything we do on offense, defense, and special teams is from a program that is a proven winner. If you want to win, watch film, visit, and talk to programs/coaches that are proven winners, and then, install what they do that fits the talent at your school. Tweak it if you have too.
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Post by coachweav88 on Jun 21, 2014 14:23:55 GMT -6
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Post by planck on Jun 21, 2014 15:08:54 GMT -6
I think football is more of a steal and tweak kind of game than one of pure innovation and new ideas. Even at the low levels, the stakes are too high to try something crazy. Do something crazy and fail, you're fired and may never find work again. Do something conventional and fail, you might get a few more chances.
That, and there is very little that hasn't been tried in some form or another. Frankly, I think there's less innovation needed in X's and O's and more needed in the teaching end of coaching.
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 21, 2014 15:31:11 GMT -6
Frankly, I think there's less innovation needed in X's and O's and more needed in the teaching end of coaching. I think this is one of the more important things to learn/steal: who can teach the most info the best way with the least time. |
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Post by shotgunfivewide55 on Jun 21, 2014 17:16:10 GMT -6
there is very little new under the sun. A key to remember about learning/stealing, whatever you want to call it is that you truly do learn from almost everyone. I have stolen ideas from coaches of all ages and levels. Just as important I have learned things I do not want to do, things I did not like for my kids or coaching style. I have been fortunate to have won right at 70% of my games and the only reason I say this is that I think year in and year out some of the best coach's are those that struggle to a 5-5/4-6 season in which they did a tremendous job of coaching a team with very little skill or talent and somehow find a way to make them competitive. Over the years I have seen more talent wasted than used to its full potential. Like I said some of the greatest things we use were determined on how someone else did something that. A lot of stealing takes place in the way that someone sees a play and doodles and adds another wrinkle to the play and suddenly the play takes on a whole new meaning, therefore an evolution to the game.
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