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Post by tye2021 on May 1, 2006 12:59:30 GMT -6
I know that most teams today like using 1 back sets. And running the FB from the I in the NFL is pretty much a dead art. But when the formation first came about the FB was a featured part of the formation. Why do you think that the FB has become another blocker instead of another runner? After all guys like Zonka, Rathman, and Darrell Johnston(to name a few) were so effective at running the ball from the FB position. And for you guys that still incorporate the I formations in your offense, how often do you run your FB or have seen other teams do it?
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Post by cqmiller on May 1, 2006 13:12:26 GMT -6
Most of those guys ran out of a split back set. Since most teams went to the I formation, in order to get the ball to their TB as much as possible, the FB basically becomes your smallest lineman with the best hands. Most people wanna give the ball to their best running back 30 times a game.
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Post by aleator on May 1, 2006 13:18:27 GMT -6
5 to 6 times a game but we will also try to get them the ball that many times in the passing game. Smaller TE types work well in the off-set I for FB/H.
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Post by iahc on May 1, 2006 13:32:14 GMT -6
The past two seasons our fullback have rushed for 1400 yards on 214 carries in our offense. This is done running trap, belly and dive. In '02 & '03 our fullback was our team leader in receptions.
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Post by groundchuck on May 1, 2006 13:43:38 GMT -6
I like the I formation. Our FB usually gets about 10-20 carries a game on different plays. Option, belly, trap are his staple run plays. He is also usually one of our top 1-2 leaders is catches. I have not run a lot of off-set I, but I think you can feature the FB on an iso play similar to how you see if in split backs. The TB would lead for the FB coming around.
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Post by coachcalande on May 2, 2006 3:01:29 GMT -6
i think belly, trap, wedge, and a lead (motion z to lead for the fb) are great ways to get the fb the ball.
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Post by lochness on May 2, 2006 4:23:51 GMT -6
We run a lot of I and offset I, and our philosophy is always to get our two best backs on the field at the same time. Usually the "FB" is the guy who is the better blocker, but it has been a long time since we've had a 5'10 215 lb bruiser. We usually end up with a 180-190 lb guy who is more of a tough-nosed tailback mold. We'll give him the ball 15 times a game, and the tailback probably gets it 20. There's not a big difference for us.
There IS a big difference in how you can utilize the FB at the HS level vs. the pro level, however.
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Post by zoneblitz on May 2, 2006 4:54:25 GMT -6
Lochness:
We are also an I football team. Our TB has been the focus of our offense. This year our FB is very talented athlete....what are some of your ideas to get him the ball more?
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Post by cqmiller on May 2, 2006 5:46:29 GMT -6
Zoneblitz, I have had talented FB's before. Best way I think to get him the ball, is to motion to single back, out of the I. Many teams will "over-react" to your TB motioning out of the box, and you can get some big holes in the zone game.
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Post by coachcalande on May 2, 2006 5:48:13 GMT -6
Lochness: We are also an I football team. Our TB has been the focus of our offense. This year our FB is very talented athlete....what are some of your ideas to get him the ball more? put in wing-t belly and buck sweep series or a jet sweep series. just an idea. |
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Post by phantom on May 2, 2006 9:28:01 GMT -6
I know that most teams today like using 1 back sets. And running the FB from the I in the NFL is pretty much a dead art. But when the formation first came about the FB was a featured part of the formation. Why do you think that the FB has become another blocker instead of another runner? After all guys like Zonka, Rathman, and Darrell Johnston(to name a few) were so effective at running the ball from the FB position. And for you guys that still incorporate the I formations in your offense, how often do you run your FB or have seen other teams do it? We're an I formation team and our FB probably averages 5 carries a game. That will vary a lot from year to year and game to game. We've had years when our FB wasn't a good runner so he got maybe 20 carries all season. On the other hand when we find out that the other guy can't stop something the boss doesn't get bored running the same play so our FB has had big games. We run the same FB plays as the others: trap, dive, belly. |
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Post by coachank on May 2, 2006 10:05:40 GMT -6
If you want to stay in the I / offset I, then run the zone series and you can get the ball to the FB in space with the boot/naked pass series, screens to him away from stretch or outside zone are good also.. especially if you set up in twins with a TE, and run a stretch look to the twins.. then the screen sets up well...
out of this formation you still have the fb trap, (out of the offset I you can line him up away from the TE and trap back to the TE side while faking zone to the open side), you can run some veer, cut your splits you can run wedge,
if you want to shift, you can move him to a wing 1X1 and you can run wing reverses... etc (still run zone stuff)
just a few suggestions
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Post by lochness on May 3, 2006 4:45:39 GMT -6
You can get the ball to your I / offset FB a number of different ways.
First, think options:
Midline
Inside Veer
Outside Veer
Next, think "double dive" action Belly play:
Belly (as the first back)
Belly Midline
Trap action stuff:
FB Trap (great out of offset when run as a counter against iso or toss action)
FB G (playside guard traps off-tackle defender. great compliment to OV)
Also, you can run a very effective quick pitch to the offset FB, which is identical to the quick pitch that you would see run out of split backs. I think it is a mistake to assume that FB's can't be effective outside. Even if he is not a quick back like your TB might be, if you get effective blocking, you can be very effective getting a bigger more durable back out on the perimeter quickly, especially if he is one-on-one with a CB.
We also involve him in our passing game, although not as much as we should. We're working on throwing to our backs more for next season.
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Post by coachdawhip on May 3, 2006 8:49:21 GMT -6
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