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Post by ahsfbcoach on Sept 18, 2006 10:19:08 GMT -6
So Cal DII Freshman program. My question is concerning a QB situation. We have a 6'3" 245 lb freshman QB that outright won his job at QB. (Strong arm but a tad slow.) The problem is that the varsity program lacks size on the line and has their eyes set on him as a 3 yr starter on the OL beginning next year. They want him getting ready for next year by playing OL now so he can protect what should be an outstanding Senior QB next year. I understand that need, but have issues, because now my Fresh team has no QB. I have other lineman, but don't have another QB. Should I take care of Freshman team first or cave to pressure from Varsity program? I want my freshman kids to win and believe their best chance is with the big guy, who really does not want to play the O-line anyway.
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Post by brophy on Sept 18, 2006 10:23:49 GMT -6
what is best for the program?
Do you have an open forum to discuss the pros and cons of the move with the Varsity?
If the 'answer' is only to provide a temporary remedy....it is not the right one....if the answer is the best long term solution best for the program, it is the right one.
What position will this kid play three years from now? What makes the Varsity think this kid can actually PLAY Oline if he's never played it?
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Post by los on Sept 18, 2006 10:49:10 GMT -6
If the kid really doesn't want to play on the interior o-line, he probably won't do much good or may just move to another school? Really have to talk to the kid first and find out if he came to play QB or just play wherever he was needed to get lots of playing time? I know lots of HS players from around here that went on to college's big and small, had to learn to play different positions and adapted ok. A couple actually went on to the NFL in their "new" position! So, after talking to the player, if he decides he wants to play QB for me(knowing it may mean riding the bench the rest of his career there), I'm gonna do what the guy wants, which in your case should benefit your freshman team! This is just me talking here, but sooner or later in life we have to make decisions for ourselves and live with the consequences, without blaming others later if it doesn't work out! This sounds like one of these times? los
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Post by utchuckd on Sept 18, 2006 11:13:08 GMT -6
I thought you just blamed the coaches. It's all their fault anyway! Or is that just around here? ;D
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Post by coachcalande on Sept 18, 2006 20:25:32 GMT -6
So Cal DII Freshman program. My question is concerning a QB situation. We have a 6'3" 245 lb freshman QB that outright won his job at QB. (Strong arm but a tad slow.) The problem is that the varsity program lacks size on the line and has their eyes set on him as a 3 yr starter on the OL beginning next year. They want him getting ready for next year by playing OL now so he can protect what should be an outstanding Senior QB next year. I understand that need, but have issues, because now my Fresh team has no QB. I have other lineman, but don't have another QB. Should I take care of Freshman team first or cave to pressure from Varsity program? I want my freshman kids to win and believe their best chance is with the big guy, who really does not want to play the O-line anyway. wow, tough spot...true story, a few years ago, i had a beastly kid that i put at fullback. I got a ton of flack for it, fans, refs, coaches at our varsity all looked at the kids body type and immediately thought "put him on the line!"...he was a big boy, about 285 lbs(ran a 5.2 and no one could tackle him)...well, i kept him at fb, he ran for 900 yards and 14 tds as a freshman, he also blocked for a tb that had 1100 yards in 9 games. when he got to varsity, he played 3 years as a starting fullback and dline and got scholarship offers from big schools. there was a time when some said "youre hurting this kid" by putting him in the backfield...um, no, since I GOT THE KID TO PLAY FOOTBALL, GOT THE KID TO LIFT WEIGHTS, DEVELOPED THE KIDS CONFIDENCE AND SELF ESTEEM,TAUGHT THE KID TO BE A LEADER AND TEAM CAPTAIN, HELPED THE KID MAKE NEW FRIENDS, GAVE HIM CONFIDENCE TO GET A GIRLFRIEND, HELPED HIM BECOME POPULAR WITH HIS TEAMMATES AND PEERS, BECOME PART OF THE FIRST WINNING TEAM AT THE SCHOOL IN LIKE 20 YEARS.... hows that hurting the kid? Coach, youre the coach of YOUR TEAM. My suggestion is to put kids in the best spot NOW. no one knows what the needs will be for the varsity NEXT YEAR or FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. If hes the best quarterback on your team, thats where he plays. Interestingly enough, our frosh(not my team) has a big guard type kid playing qb now as he has the best arm on the team.
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Post by saintrad on Sept 18, 2006 21:26:42 GMT -6
have to remember that athletics below the professional and/or the major college levels are for the kids, not the coaches or their program. Do whats right for the kid and the rest will take care of itself.
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Post by pegleg on Sept 19, 2006 11:37:29 GMT -6
its not a tough spot.
if you have the forum to discuss it, then express you concerns. if not, do what your told. if you can't get on the same page with the HC, find a new job in the spring. i've quit jobs in the winter because the hc and i didn't agree, but its his program and he amkes the call, end of story.
"taking care of the freshmen team" is never the right answer. discuss your concerns and try to get everyone on the same page, but at the end of the day your name's not in the paper and no one ever got fired for freshmen wins and losses.
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Post by coachcalande on Sept 19, 2006 11:44:49 GMT -6
pegleg- for the sake of argument. suppose they move this kid to the oline and he quits the game now as a frosh. ....was it the right thing to do? i say its a tough spot. the thing that the frosh coach has to do is keep a kid passionate about the game. he may turn out to be a beast of a lineman for the varsity someday...but hes not at the 9th grade level. just my two cents. i dont tell the 6th and 7th grade coaches what to do with their kids because of my needs. thatd be foolish. again, just for the sake of argument. every situation is different.
let me add something to this...the best quarterback on my team currently is my 4th string fullback and number one/two nose guard. I had him taking reps at qb in spring and he did a nice job. i was honest with him and told him bluntly, "youre arm is good, your leadership needs work and you need to get trimmer if you plan to compete for a qb spot, the high school will not have you play qb if you are overweight "... he got the message, he tried to lose weight, failed and is now competing for fb/nose. I did run this by my varsity staff, they did not tell me where to play my kids. I think it would be difficult to coach a team if i couldnt even evaluate and place my own talent.
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Post by fbdoc on Sept 19, 2006 12:18:49 GMT -6
Yes, at the high school level it is about the kids, but First - It's about The Team, The Team , The TEAM! The Team comes first! Not everyone will get to throw, carry, or catch the ball. It's not about one kid - it's about the Team!
Pegleg is also correct, the Varsity comes first, end of story.
Now having said that, obviously you should talk with the kid and see what he thinks about the switch. Even if he agrees to go to the OL and play with the varsity this year, he can still go to QB camp in the summer and show the coaches that he is more valuable to the team at that position.
Our team's story is similar to some of the others. We had a kid start at DL when he was a frosh, then start at QB as a sophomore, and now is our starting MLB as a junior with a few carries at FB. Next year, who knows? We put the kids where they can help the team now! We also let them know before hand when we are considering a switch. And, sometimes, we have to tell a kid that "Yes, you might be a good Fullback, but the TEAM needs you to play Guard this year." As far a playing college, if they are good enough to play, the colleges will find them.
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Post by phantom on Sept 19, 2006 18:31:47 GMT -6
pegleg- for the sake of argument. suppose they move this kid to the oline and he quits the game now as a frosh. ....was it the right thing to do? i say its a tough spot. the thing that the frosh coach has to do is keep a kid passionate about the game. he may turn out to be a beast of a lineman for the varsity someday...but hes not at the 9th grade level. just my two cents. i dont tell the 6th and 7th grade coaches what to do with their kids because of my needs. thatd be foolish. again, just for the sake of argument. every situation is different. let me add something to this...the best quarterback on my team currently is my 4th string fullback and number one/two nose guard. I had him taking reps at qb in spring and he did a nice job. i was honest with him and told him bluntly, "youre arm is good, your leadership needs work and you need to get trimmer if you plan to compete for a qb spot, the high school will not have you play qb if you are overweight "... he got the message, he tried to lose weight, failed and is now competing for fb/nose. I did run this by my varsity staff, they did not tell me where to play my kids. I think it would be difficult to coach a team if i couldnt even evaluate and place my own talent. If he quits because he couldn't play a certain position I wouldn't want him anyway.
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Post by coachcalande on Sept 19, 2006 19:09:22 GMT -6
I hear ya phantom...but sometimes it makes sense for the kids future...some of them need us more than we need them. as i said, for the sake of argument. also sometimes you give a little to get alot. often ill have a boy that wants to be say 3rd team fullback instead of guard...but hes a quality nose guard for me on defense. these things are trade offs you sometimes have to make when you coach small rosters and dont have alot of talent or depth. every situation is different. btw, my wanna be qb, fourth team fb...he scored a touchdown today! he also had a sack from nose guard. hes now pretty happy.
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Post by ahsfbcoach on Sept 19, 2006 21:09:02 GMT -6
Thanks to all for the replies. From the varied responses, I have come to the conclusion that there may not be a right answer. I talked with the player, who wants to continue playing no matter what. He still aspires to be a QB and realizes that working on his speed might help sway decisions in the future. Next year he knows he cannot compete with a third year starting QB and he is prepared to block for him if that is what is necessary. He got to play one game at QB, wherein he threw for a 60 yd TD and had another sure TD pass dropped. He has since moved to the line where he is mediocre for now, but he has shown glimpses of greatness there as well. Hes a great kid and a team leader so I feel bad for him having to move, but it is probably in the best interest of the program for next year. Who Knows? Two years from now I may be looking for someone to block for him if he stops growing (Ha HA)..
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Post by pegleg on Sept 20, 2006 8:31:23 GMT -6
almost every year we have to make this move (or a similar one). last year same deal, kids was a qb in junior high and now he plays tackle. this year several wanna be recievers are o linemen. when kids get to HS they are not more imprtant than the team, regardless of what daddy thinks. kids don't get to make decisions about playing time or postition. if they can't handle it, then they should go to PE. high school athletics is not the same as pop warner or even junior high.
i love the kids that play for me and would do damn near anything for them (and they know it). that being said the coaches know more than they do and will put them in a spot to make them better and the team better. i tell them all the time its business not personal. if they can't handle the reality of HS football then get the hell outta the way, i got no time for prima donnas.
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Post by coachjblair on Sept 20, 2006 8:45:23 GMT -6
The only real concern is now what happens when the 3-year starter moves on. I mean if you don’t have another QB in line, then you might be hurting the kid you switched if you switch him back to QB. This is due to the fact he could have had another year to develop as a QB before the varsity needs him. Oh well hopefully you have another solid backup QB somewhere in your system.
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Post by coachmacplains on Sept 26, 2006 10:34:58 GMT -6
Would think that most varsity coaches would entertain the idea that what kids learn at the lower levels would have to do with more than just specializing at a particular position. I'm sure there is a broad range of opinion on this, but if we are geared too much into specialization at the sub-varsity levels, we can take one important motivating element out of the game - fun. I'm not suggesting that feeder systems shouldn't be designed to prepare kids for future varsity competition - they should. But I can't see snuffing out a kids interest in that before he even gets started. My own view of personnel is that kids should get a taste of various aspects of the game, within reasonable limits, and this helps enhance their interst in it. I do not make personnel decisions on how our JV coach plays kids (other than varsity backups who will need a certain number of reps in JV games), and he does a nice job of finding that balance of "what I want" vs. "what coach and team needs". If Jacksonville can take Matt Jones and make a receiver out of him, then I certainly would think that a HS coaching staff could make an O lineman out of a kid who played QB in middle school.
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Post by los on Sept 26, 2006 11:04:46 GMT -6
I thought this was a DII college kid we were talking about lol, thats an awful big 9th grader? los
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