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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 5, 2014 20:28:38 GMT -6
BLB would you like me to just private message you my summer schedule?
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Post by blb on Jun 6, 2014 4:53:02 GMT -6
BLB would you like me to just private message you my summer schedule?
If you feel that would be better way to answer my question re: field work vs. practice prep and game prep, sure.
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Post by fantom on Jun 6, 2014 5:46:34 GMT -6
BLB would you like me to just private message you my summer schedule? Well, I don't know what you mean by "Game prep" and "practice" prep either. I'm afraid that I do but I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by s73 on Jun 6, 2014 6:35:53 GMT -6
I'd say about 12. 3 hours a day. 4 days a week. Week after school is out, week of the 4th, and week of the state coaches clinic off. This is just the time with kids doesn't count mowing, field work etc... We are almost identical to this except we take a larger break at the end (about 15 days or so off before the season ends to recharge the players and COACHES battery before the grind). I should emphasize that we have not done 2 - a days in over 10 years, so we try to utilize summers maybe more so than others.
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Post by s73 on Jun 6, 2014 6:42:49 GMT -6
I should also say the 4 1/2 to 5 hours is on the high side. Sometimes our Mondays only end up being around 1 1/2 to 2 hours long. Coach, I agree w/ your mantra here. I should say that we are similar but different. What I mean by that is we do much more in the summer but no 2 a days, and once we meet the mandatory practice schedule for the season we never bring kids in on Saturdays either. We also don't start for the remainder of the week once school gets out along w/ the following week, a dead period in July and abot 2 plus weeks off end of July/August. Different approach but I think maybe similar mindset. I may look at what you are doing a little more closely in the future.
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Post by georgefred86 on Jun 6, 2014 7:32:54 GMT -6
26 90-120 minute Strength and Speed workouts (June-July, M,T,W,Th) 2 passing league dates (one in June and one in July) 3 day camp (July) Rest and relax the last week of July
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Post by s73 on Jun 6, 2014 8:58:09 GMT -6
One question I have for any of you willing to answer, how many of you like to schedule stuff through out summer for fear of giving your kids too much down time? AKA them getting themselves into trouble? As a result, you may have them do slightly more than necessary to keep them busy.
And please, for the sake of the question, let's give the whole "If you can't trust them to make good decisions then maybe they shouldn't be a part of your program" speech. No disrespect to anyone intended but teenagers make "teenage like" decisions especially in the summer.
Just curious, thanks.
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Post by fantom on Jun 6, 2014 9:13:15 GMT -6
One question I have for any of you willing to answer, how many of you like to schedule stuff through out summer for fear of giving your kids too much down time? AKA them getting themselves into trouble? As a result, you may have them do slightly more than necessary to keep them busy. And please, for the sake of the question, let's give the whole "If you can't trust them to make good decisions then maybe they shouldn't be a part of your program" speech. No disrespect to anyone intended but teenagers make "teenage like" decisions especially in the summer. Just curious, thanks. We go for a total of 7.5 hours a week from June to August. They have plenty of their own time to get in trouble. I've never been a part of a program where anybody has even mentioned practicing more to keep them out of trouble.
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Post by blb on Jun 6, 2014 9:25:41 GMT -6
One question I have for any of you willing to answer, how many of you like to schedule stuff through out summer for fear of giving your kids too much down time? AKA them getting themselves into trouble? As a result, you may have them do slightly more than necessary to keep them busy.
Have never thought about that.
Only consideration is doing what we need to compete within state regulations and allowing kids to balance football with other Summer sports, jobs, family vacations-social life.
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Post by s73 on Jun 6, 2014 10:29:28 GMT -6
One question I have for any of you willing to answer, how many of you like to schedule stuff through out summer for fear of giving your kids too much down time? AKA them getting themselves into trouble? As a result, you may have them do slightly more than necessary to keep them busy. And please, for the sake of the question, let's give the whole "If you can't trust them to make good decisions then maybe they shouldn't be a part of your program" speech. No disrespect to anyone intended but teenagers make "teenage like" decisions especially in the summer. Just curious, thanks. We go for a total of 7.5 hours a week from June to August. They have plenty of their own time to get in trouble. I've never been a part of a program where anybody has even mentioned practicing more to keep them out of trouble. Fantom, The only reason I bring it up is b/c I have not brought kids in on a Saturday during the season for years b/c in my experience the staff gets more done w/o kids being present. With that being said, I've had more than one coach tell me they only bring the kids in on Saturdays to keep the kids out of trouble on Fridays after the game. Hence, I was wondering if anyone used the same mindset when planning summer activities.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2014 10:33:15 GMT -6
I've also never heard anyone mention that over the summer. I have heard coaches mention it as a reason for Saturday practice in-season, but I've never really bought into that either. If they want to go out and party on Friday night, they're going to whether there's Saturday practice or not. Most of them, anyway.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 6, 2014 10:37:41 GMT -6
I've also never heard anyone mention that over the summer. I have heard coaches mention it as a reason for Saturday practice in-season, but I've never really bought into that either. If they want to go out and party on Friday night, they're going to whether there's Saturday practice or not. Most of them, anyway. Agreed on the summer part and the Saturday parts. If the kid wants to drink, they're going to drink, smoke, whatever after the game Friday night anyway. The FIRST decision I made as a HC this go around was that there were going to be no Saturday practices. I have never been a part of a program where these were productive. They have always created more headaches (are the kids there, are they trying, are they watching film, are we ready to do what we need to do, etc) than they have been positives. They always just ended up being 2-3 hours of wasted time that frustrated everyone thoroughly and made people want to be a part of football even less. I've never even considered bringing them in more over the summer to control them more.
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Post by coachbdud on Jun 6, 2014 11:38:18 GMT -6
Between 2.5-3 hours Monday-Thursday
We have 3 passing tourneys on Saturdays
We have 3 Thursday nights we 7on7 against other schools in a passing "league"
We host a 3 day team camp with other schools in July
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Post by fantom on Jun 6, 2014 12:00:01 GMT -6
I've also never heard anyone mention that over the summer. I have heard coaches mention it as a reason for Saturday practice in-season, but I've never really bought into that either. If they want to go out and party on Friday night, they're going to whether there's Saturday practice or not. Most of them, anyway. Agreed on the summer part and the Saturday parts. If the kid wants to drink, they're going to drink, smoke, whatever after the game Friday night anyway. The FIRST decision I made as a HC this go around was that there were going to be no Saturday practices. I have never been a part of a program where these were productive. They have always created more headaches (are the kids there, are they trying, are they watching film, are we ready to do what we need to do, etc) than they have been positives. They always just ended up being 2-3 hours of wasted time that frustrated everyone thoroughly and made people want to be a part of football even less. I've never even considered bringing them in more over the summer to control them more. Yeah, we don't do Saturdays either.
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Post by fantom on Jun 6, 2014 12:03:51 GMT -6
I've also never heard anyone mention that over the summer. I have heard coaches mention it as a reason for Saturday practice in-season, but I've never really bought into that either. If they want to go out and party on Friday night, they're going to whether there's Saturday practice or not. Most of them, anyway. A friend of mine went to work at a D 3 school where the HC subscribed to that theory. In preseason they practiced at 6 AM then brought the kids in to watch a movie at night. He knew that the hours would be long but that was more than he'd expected.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 6, 2014 12:50:00 GMT -6
Even if you were to work a ton, there's still plenty of time for knucklehead behavior. We practiced five days a week from January through the season. We spent a LOT of time doing football stuff. My teammates still managed to get drunk and drive a car through a Jack in the Box. They had to open the car door and run out the actual door of the restaurant. Kids will always find a way.
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Post by blb on Jun 6, 2014 16:38:17 GMT -6
We will go 3 hours of weights per week. 6 hours of field work per week. Additionally, we will put in another 10 hours per week of practice prep, game prep, etc.
I think I've got it now, correct me if wrong:
The "10 hours per week of practice prep, game prep, etc." is coaches only, not players?
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 6, 2014 17:18:19 GMT -6
Yes BLB, and that is a rough estimate at best. For instance today we were in meetings from 7am-1pm (6 hours). Some weeks may be less, some maybe much more. No kids involved.
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Post by mc140 on Jun 6, 2014 19:04:04 GMT -6
We go six weeks, four days a week, 3 hours a day. two hours lifting/agility etc and an hour of football. We use to go 3 in June and 3 in July, This year were going 2 and 4.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 6, 2014 19:04:15 GMT -6
Yes BLB, and that is a rough estimate at best. For instance today we were in meetings from 7am-1pm (6 hours). Some weeks may be less, some maybe much more. No kids involved. What were you guys meeting about for so long?
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 6, 2014 19:41:15 GMT -6
Yes BLB, and that is a rough estimate at best. For instance today we were in meetings from 7am-1pm (6 hours). Some weeks may be less, some maybe much more. No kids involved. What were you guys meeting about for so long? Hiring new DC. We are putting in a new scheme. Gave him a chance to meet the coaches, discuss his scheme, and we looked at our personnel and made decisions on what kids would fit best in the defense. Also introduced what we do on offense to him. Guy has been a head coach for 21 years. Very sharp!
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Post by lions23 on Jun 6, 2014 21:29:09 GMT -6
We go to a lot of 7 on 7 on Saturdays. Many of them we travel to colleges so we have the kids really early to get on the bus some days. I think it has probably helped keep many of our skill guys in line bc they love going. However that's not the point.
We like going to the colleges for a chance of exposing the kids to the campuses and exposing the college coaches to our kids and coaches. Those experiences are also eaten up by admins and parents. Kids around the district also hear about it and want to be a part of those experiences. Also our HC is a big foodie and we always stop at some famous college dive and eat good. The kids talk about that afterwards more than anything.
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Post by rhscoachbh on Jun 18, 2014 1:22:57 GMT -6
Kids get the month of June off. We have a speed/agility coach that will host voluntary workouts for kids who want to get it in. Starting July 7th we'll go Monday-Thursday. Lifting 5:45am-7:15am and practice 5pm-7pm. We'll throw 7 on 7 vs a couple other schools 4 times that will replace an afternoon practice. Last 3 days in July we'll also throw in a skills practice from 1-3, which will be new for us this year. Kids will have August 1-6 off before we hit fall camp and 2 a days.
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Post by rhscoachbh on Jun 18, 2014 1:29:11 GMT -6
We've brought in kids on Saturdays to watch game film. This year we'll also be providing breakfast.
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Post by spreadpowero on Jun 18, 2014 7:42:39 GMT -6
We go on average 6 hours a week, more if we go to a 7 on 7 tournament.
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Post by holmesbend on Jun 18, 2014 8:14:03 GMT -6
Kids get the month of June off. We have a speed/agility coach that will host voluntary workouts for kids who want to get it in. Starting July 7th we'll go Monday-Thursday. Lifting 5:45am-7:15am and practice 5pm-7pm. We'll throw 7 on 7 vs a couple other schools 4 times that will replace an afternoon practice. Last 3 days in July we'll also throw in a skills practice from 1-3, which will be new for us this year. Kids will have August 1-6 off before we hit fall camp and 2 a days. What state are you all in? I love it. June off, start back up July 7th...go at it for 2-3 weeks, take a week off, then get back at it the 2nd week of August. Here in KY, we start way to early IMO. In June (or once school is out) we can workout/"practice" in helmets only. We just do both of these twice a week for 2.5 hr periods (we have so many kids who are multiple sport, that I just want to give them and US a break..much like BLB says...finding that balance). Then we have a state mandatory "Dead Period" for all sports that lasts from June 25th-July 9th. Most people start workouts back up on the 10th, with the first real practice on July 15th. Our opening week of games is the 4th Friday in August (23rd this year since we play on a Saturday) This is a great thread. Loving all of the less is more approaches over the summer.
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Post by holmesbend on Jun 18, 2014 8:19:26 GMT -6
One question I have for any of you willing to answer, how many of you like to schedule stuff through out summer for fear of giving your kids too much down time? AKA them getting themselves into trouble? As a result, you may have them do slightly more than necessary to keep them busy. And please, for the sake of the question, let's give the whole "If you can't trust them to make good decisions then maybe they shouldn't be a part of your program" speech. No disrespect to anyone intended but teenagers make "teenage like" decisions especially in the summer. Just curious, thanks. We go for a total of 7.5 hours a week from June to August. They have plenty of their own time to get in trouble. I've never been a part of a program where anybody has even mentioned practicing more to keep them out of trouble. The 7.5 hrs thing is EXACTLY what we have went to this year. Well, minus June...just going for 5. But once our Dead Period is over here in KY (two weeks long..last week in June, first full week in July basicall) we are just going 7.5 those last three weeks in July on M, T, W. Once August gets here (starting Monday, August 4th, we crank it up and do our normal 4 days a week and take Fridays off (since we are going to be playing those days as is). Telling myself that this is ok. Like many, I've gotten caught up in the whole 'well, if we arent doing something, then people might not think we are working hard'...when in all reality, all this summer crap up until school starts runs more kids off than it brings in. I know you have probably told me, and I should know just from reading your posts. But, what state are you in? Thanks for all of the insight.
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Post by holmesbend on Jun 18, 2014 8:22:32 GMT -6
I've asked this on another thread, but how many of you wait until school starts to bring your Freshmen in? We're a rural school of about 715 kids (350+ boys), and average b/t 45-50 most years 9-12. This year, we'll have 27-30 10th-12th.
Right now, with the exception of two freshmen...one being a QB who might have to start for us...I'm thinking about telling them "See ya August 4th".
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Post by fantom on Jun 18, 2014 8:29:00 GMT -6
We go for a total of 7.5 hours a week from June to August. They have plenty of their own time to get in trouble. I've never been a part of a program where anybody has even mentioned practicing more to keep them out of trouble. The 7.5 hrs thing is EXACTLY what we have went to this year. Well, minus June...just going for 5. But once our Dead Period is over here in KY (two weeks long..last week in June, first full week in July basicall) we are just going 7.5 those last three weeks in July on M, T, W. Once August gets here (starting Monday, August 4th, we crank it up and do our normal 4 days a week and take Fridays off (since we are going to be playing those days as is). Telling myself that this is ok. Like many, I've gotten caught up in the whole 'well, if we arent doing something, then people might not think we are working hard'...when in all reality, all this summer crap up until school starts runs more kids off than it brings in. I know you have probably told me, and I should know just from reading your posts. But, what state are you in? Thanks for all of the insight. Virginia.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 18, 2014 8:29:12 GMT -6
In Northern CA, our first day of school happens to be six school days before our first game so we can't do that. Kids start late in August on a Thursday. We have a scrimmage that Saturday. Then we have our first full week of school culminating in our first game. It's always a cluster.
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