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Post by dlotexan24 on May 12, 2014 9:41:43 GMT -6
What are your thoughts on intentional development of a staff and most improtantly HC, intentionally using Us, We and Ours, instead of I, Me, Mine and You when talking to the team.
Not sure if I have ever worked for head guy that did this, or couldnt stop using the 3rd person....
Has anyone had a head guy have a staff meeting about this? Whatever thoughts or experiences you have are appreciated.
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Post by blb on May 12, 2014 9:54:54 GMT -6
What are your thoughts on intentional development of a staff and most improtantly HC, intentionally using Us, We and Ours, instead of I, Me, Mine and You when talking to the team. Not sure if I have ever worked for head guy that did this, or couldnt stop using the 3rd person.... Has anyone had a head guy have a staff meeting about this? Whatever thoughts or experiences you have are appreciated.
I always speak in "We, us, our" because we're all in this together, coaches and players. Out of necessity somebody must be responsible for making decisions and solving problems.
I am very leery of coaches who talk about "My LBers" or "my guys." Implication is they're an entity separate from the unit or team.
I want Team Players because the best teams win. Starts with coaching staff. "WE win," not "I" or "me."
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Post by fantom on May 12, 2014 9:57:07 GMT -6
What are your thoughts on intentional development of a staff and most improtantly HC, intentionally using Us, We and Ours, instead of I, Me, Mine and You when talking to the team. Not sure if I have ever worked for head guy that did this, or couldnt stop using the 3rd person.... Has anyone had a head guy have a staff meeting about this? Whatever thoughts or experiences you have are appreciated. I understand it completely. He's trying to foster a team attitude and trying to avoid sounding egotistical, which isn't easy when you're talking about yourself. |
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Post by spos21ram on May 12, 2014 10:01:16 GMT -6
I never say "I". Always we and us.
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Post by blb on May 12, 2014 10:09:06 GMT -6
As much as possible I would like our coaches to feel we're working WITH one another, not FOR me.
Heck the only reason I became a head coach was I hated taping ankles and counting jock straps. Now I can delegate that stuff.
Otherwise I'd be perfectly happy as a position coach.
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Post by 236 on May 12, 2014 15:04:07 GMT -6
Mostly repeating what everyone else has said. A lot more "we's" than "I's." However, I've seen a lot of head coaches use the "I" after a loss or something to deflect some of the players pain, etc. Something like, "I take responsibility for that terrible call on the goalline. I cost us that opportunity" That sort of thing, to make the players feel like they were less at fault.
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Post by 236 on May 12, 2014 15:05:25 GMT -6
What are your thoughts on intentional development of a staff and most improtantly HC, intentionally using Us, We and Ours, instead of I, Me, Mine and You when talking to the team. Not sure if I have ever worked for head guy that did this, or couldnt stop using the 3rd person.... Has anyone had a head guy have a staff meeting about this? Whatever thoughts or experiences you have are appreciated. Mostly repeating what everyone else has said. A lot more "we's" than "I's." However, I've seen a lot of head coaches use the "I" after a loss or something to deflect some of the players pain, etc. Something like, "I take responsibility for that terrible call on the goalline. I cost us that opportunity" That sort of thing, to make the players feel like they were less at fault. |
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Post by coachphillip on May 12, 2014 15:17:36 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on May 12, 2014 15:27:21 GMT -6
As the HC I live by one rule- When something good happens it we or us. When something bad happens it's I or me.
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Post by CS on May 12, 2014 16:08:17 GMT -6
What are your thoughts on intentional development of a staff and most improtantly HC, intentionally using Us, We and Ours, instead of I, Me, Mine and You when talking to the team. Not sure if I have ever worked for head guy that did this, or couldnt stop using the 3rd person.... Has anyone had a head guy have a staff meeting about this? Whatever thoughts or experiences you have are appreciated.
I always speak in "We, us, our" because we're all in this together, coaches and players. Out of necessity somebody must be responsible for making decisions and solving problems.
I am very leery of coaches who talk about "My LBers" or "my guys." Implication is they're an entity separate from the unit or team.
I want Team Players because the best teams win. Starts with coaching staff. "WE win," not "I" or "me."
I second this. Can't trust someone who says "I" or "my". They are typically out for themselves and not on board with being a team. They will be the first to say that if an offense or defense isn't doing well that their group is looking good and what they would do if they were in charge. On the flip side they will also be the ones who blame the talent of the kids or the coaches for things going wrong when they are in charge |
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Post by s73 on May 12, 2014 16:35:40 GMT -6
As the HC I live by one rule- When something good happens it we or us. When something bad happens it's I or me. I used to do that to. But then I read Tubby Raymonds book on the Delware Wing T and he made a case that while intentions may be good, Using this type of approach can still be slippery b/c you still separate yourself from the team. He feels you win as a team and you lose as a team. Just a thought. |
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Post by groundchuck on May 12, 2014 18:29:32 GMT -6
I always speak in "we" and "our". I don't let our assistants refer to "their linebackers" or "their line." It's all about the team.
It's not the OC's offense or the DC's defense. I can't stand that.
It's our O, D, K units, and team.
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Post by bruinfb on May 12, 2014 20:23:04 GMT -6
As the HC I live by one rule- When something good happens it we or us. When something bad happens it's I or me. I used to do that to. But then I read Tubby Raymonds book on the Delware Wing T and he made a case that while intentions may be good, Using this type of approach can still be slippery b/c you still separate yourself from the team. He feels you win as a team and you lose as a team. Just a thought. Another possible backfire to this is that kids will begin to believe that you are a poor coach. "Buy in" is a big deal, if kids think that they are always right, and coach is always wrong, that doesn't help either. With that said, I tend to follow the rule as well, if its good it is always "we". If its bad it is sometimes "we" sometimes "me", just have to read the situation. |
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Post by fantom on May 12, 2014 20:45:16 GMT -6
I used to do that to. But then I read Tubby Raymonds book on the Delware Wing T and he made a case that while intentions may be good, Using this type of approach can still be slippery b/c you still separate yourself from the team. He feels you win as a team and you lose as a team. Just a thought. Another possible backfire to this is that kids will begin to believe that you are a poor coach. "Buy in" is a big deal, if kids think that they are always right, and coach is always wrong, that doesn't help either. With that said, I tend to follow the rule as well, if its good it is always "we". If its bad it is sometimes "we" sometimes "me", just have to read the situation. On Monday, when we watch they film, they'll figure out that the "my fault stuff" wasn't exactly accurate. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 4:42:37 GMT -6
As an English teacher, I need to point out that the issue isn't first person vs. third person, it's singular vs. plural. "Us," "We," and "Ours" are all plural first person pronouns  That said, I've recently worked for a guy who did it the opposite way: if something bad happened, it was "we" or "us." If something good happened, it was "I" or "me." Dude also had no qualms about blaming players and assistant coaches for stuff that happened when talking to reporters. Talk about a way to undermine team unity... |
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Post by brophy on May 13, 2014 6:23:48 GMT -6
obligatory
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Post by rudyrude9 on May 13, 2014 8:46:44 GMT -6
We I hear a coach talk about "my QB" or "my LB" he is immediately classified as a total D Bag.
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Post by dlotexan24 on May 13, 2014 8:57:32 GMT -6
As an English teacher, I need to point out that the issue isn't first person vs. third person, it's singular vs. plural. "Us," "We," and "Ours" are all singular first person pronouns That said, I've recently worked for a guy who did it the opposite way: if something bad happened, it was "we" or "us." If something good happened, it was "I" or "me." Dude also had no qualms about blaming players and assistant coaches for stuff that happened when talking to reporters. Talk about a way to undermine team unity... I was referring to both the guys that say I and mine - singular vs. intentionally using plural .... and the guys that talk in 3rd person. The guy that instead of saying "I think we need to work harder...", says "Coach Fitzhugh thinks we need to work harder..." Instead of speaking in first perosn, he talks in third person... Both are signs of selfish, self-centered, egos... A head coach that says "my corner" but calls the offense and has never coached the kid a day in his life. |
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Post by coachphillip on May 13, 2014 9:03:43 GMT -6
Coach Arnold, you're right. When I read the title, I thought to myself, "Who the heck is talking about themselves in the third person while coaching? Now THAT is a DB."
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Post by coachphillip on May 13, 2014 9:05:13 GMT -6
Woah. So you really have a guy on staff who talks in the third person?! That's awesome. Coachphillip tends to think coachphillip lacks the intestinal fortitude to speak that way himself.
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Post by fantom on May 13, 2014 9:05:43 GMT -6
As an English teacher, I need to point out that the issue isn't first person vs. third person, it's singular vs. plural. "Us," "We," and "Ours" are all singular first person pronouns That said, I've recently worked for a guy who did it the opposite way: if something bad happened, it was "we" or "us." If something good happened, it was "I" or "me." Dude also had no qualms about blaming players and assistant coaches for stuff that happened when talking to reporters. Talk about a way to undermine team unity... I was referring to both the guys that say I and mine - singular vs. intentionally using plural .... and the guys that talk in 3rd person. The guy that instead of saying "I think we need to work harder...", says "Coach Fitzhugh thinks we need to work harder..." Instead of speaking in first perosn, he talks in third person... Both are signs of selfish, self-centered, egos... A head coach that says "my corner" but calls the offense and has never coached the kid a day in his life. Fantom thinks this is ridiculous. |
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Post by rudyrude9 on May 13, 2014 10:15:08 GMT -6
What say you on this issue dlotexan?
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Post by coachphillip on May 13, 2014 10:53:36 GMT -6
Coach, we may have reached new depths of stir crazy, but this guy has reached new depths of DBery.
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Post by tog on May 17, 2014 17:19:07 GMT -6
I have always had a huge pet peeve of coaches saying "my guys" or "my running backs" or "my dline" etc.
They aren't yours. They all are working for the same gold ball.
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Post by oriolepower on May 17, 2014 20:17:23 GMT -6
My first year as HC I yelled at the team at half time in 3rd person. I don't yell much but the team wasn't responding so I yelled "Coach is very upset right now. Coach taught you better than that." I said a bunch of other things like that and the guys all got very scared looks on their faces.
As i was leaving the room one on my assistants grabbed me and asked if I was ok. I very calmy told him I thought they neded to hear that. He replied seriously man you ok.
I guess it scared everyone in the room.
I'm fairly sure I'm not crazy.
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