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Post by CanyonCoach on Apr 29, 2014 12:54:54 GMT -6
The question is to provide incentives, consequences, or just let it be what it is.
Incentives- duffle bags, shorts, t-shirts, car washes, food etc...
Consequences- If you make the lifts you get out of running our Brave Maker, you get reduced conditioning all based on the number of lifts you make.
Is what it is- If you want to be good you show up and bust your tail.
Thoughts on what works and what doesn't.
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Post by fantom on Apr 29, 2014 12:59:19 GMT -6
The question is to provide incentives, consequences, or just let it be what it is. Incentives- duffle bags, shorts, t-shirts, car washes, food etc... Consequences- If you make the lifts you get out of running our Brave Maker, you get reduced conditioning all based on the number of lifts you make. Is what it is- If you want to be good you show up and bust your tail.
Thoughts on what works and what doesn't.
Not to be a wisea$$ but what do mean by car washes? We wash the kid's car? |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 29, 2014 13:12:05 GMT -6
The question is to provide incentives, consequences, or just let it be what it is. Incentives- duffle bags, shorts, t-shirts, car washes, food etc... Consequences- If you make the lifts you get out of running our Brave Maker, you get reduced conditioning all based on the number of lifts you make. Is what it is- If you want to be good you show up and bust your tail.
Thoughts on what works and what doesn't.
Not to be a wisea$$ but what do mean by car washes? We wash the kid's car? Cheerleaders wash the kid's care in bikinis. Make a 100% and they're string bikinis. Don't meet the minimum %, me and the staff wash your car with mud while wearing string bikinis. |
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Post by oriolepower on Apr 29, 2014 13:22:13 GMT -6
I'm not a big fan of the incentives. Kids will surely take things if you offer them but I don't think that gets the majority of the kids in the door.
I tried a few years back telling kids that if they want to play they better lift or not bother coming out. I had about 1/3 of the team quit and it didn't improve attendance. Being at a small school that didn't go well.
In my opinion if you want better weight room attendance it takes a few things:
1. A clear and compelling reason to be there. They need to want to be there more than you want them there.
2. Coaches need to be there. Not just one or two guys but many coaches all preaching the same message. I think when you get multiple coaches you will get many more kids but everyone needs to be on the same page.
3. Have a solid research based program. Kids don't take you at your word. They will google and youtube search anything you tell them to do. If there isn't evidence as to why they should be doing it, they'll think you're wasting their time.
4. Have diversity inside the system. Todays athletes don't want a turnkey, I just bought this program. They need to have a program they believe is designed for them.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Apr 29, 2014 13:32:53 GMT -6
Never thought about those car wash ideas...but we have a couple of local places that give us free car wash certificates to hand out...kids like mud running but don't want their parents to find out.
Oriolepower- I agree you...a few assistants want to build accountability through promotions and consequences/punishment.
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Post by coach2013 on Apr 29, 2014 13:45:28 GMT -6
Keep it simple.
Tee shirts that advertise your program. That's it, its enough.
The consequence is that you didn't earn the tee shirt and likely your playing time is rightfully going to be less than what it might have otherwise been if you SHOWED YOU CARED.
we set attendance requirement and performance requirement for "incentive" tees and captain status.
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Post by silkyice on Apr 29, 2014 15:21:28 GMT -6
We got out of school yesterday before weight class because of weather. We had three tornadoes in Tuscaloosa last night. We got a school wide text at 7:15 this morning saying we were dismissing at 12:30 because of more potential bad weather this afternoon.
I got a text from an 8th grader at 7:16 asking me when were we going to make up the workouts. He hasn't gotten a t-shirt or car wash or candy or nothing. You know what he has gotten: a bench press that has gone up 90 pounds, a squat that has gone up 150 pounds and a clean that has gone up 70 pounds. He is now bigger, faster, and stronger and has muscles to show off and confidence through the roof. That is why he wants to workout.
Kids respond to results!!!!!
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 29, 2014 15:57:37 GMT -6
Exactly. Kids will go when they see results. And even then, some won't. We don't worry too much about them. Kids will start to show if they get bigger, faster, and stronger. Barring any attitude, that is. I asked a kid the other day why he was there and apparently he "DO IT FOR THE VINE!"
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Post by 90rocket on Apr 29, 2014 20:03:57 GMT -6
Were getting chrome decals for making 65% off summer lifts and hoodies for making 85%. Wish it were easy enough to just get the kids there without incentives but there is a huge difference between me getting 10 kids to 75% of the workouts at getting 20 to 90% of them.
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 29, 2014 20:14:56 GMT -6
Put it on the seniors. Ask them how good of a season do they want to have? We need everyone here from Seniors on down. Everyone plays a role on how successful this season will be.
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Post by CS on Apr 29, 2014 20:16:51 GMT -6
We got out of school yesterday before weight class because of weather. We had three tornadoes in Tuscaloosa last night. We got a school wide text at 7:15 this morning saying we were dismissing at 12:30 because of more potential bad weather this afternoon. I got a text from an 8th grader at 7:16 asking me when were we going to make up the workouts. He hasn't gotten a t-shirt or car wash or candy or nothing. You know what he has gotten: a bench press that has gone up 90 pounds, a squat that has gone up 150 pounds and a clean that has gone up 70 pounds. He is now bigger, faster, and stronger and has muscles to show off and confidence through the roof. That is why he wants to workout. Kids respond to results!!!!! Couldn't have said it better! You get kids results and they will beg to lift!! |
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Post by georgefred86 on Apr 29, 2014 20:41:38 GMT -6
We don't keep attendance or have incentive t-shirts. We believe and have found that simply by being "present" while our players are working out they will respond. As coaches, we approach every workout (143 in all) in the same manner and same energy as every practice ... the players get coached up on every lift and we always begin and end each workout with a message. We want our players to be intrinsically motivated ... not because they will receive a sticker or a t-shirt or any other extrinsic reward. Like the posts above have said ... once players begin to see the positive results, they are hooked!
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Post by biggus3 on Apr 30, 2014 7:41:02 GMT -6
Save the money from all the gear that you were going to buy, and buy the best stereo that you can afford. Make sure that it has subwoofers. The kids love them. Let the kids pick the music on pandora (clean of course) and shake the school. Our attendance went up easily 40 percent, and I'm pretty sure that we picked up a few decent athletes that played basketball because they saw how much fun we had in the mornings. The energy level is higher and they are getting pretty good results. I feel that if they have a fun environment, and thy are getting good results, they will come.
They do have some incentives. Our kids that make to 90 percent of the workouts get first dibs on pretty much anything that goes on in our program. For some reason they really obsess over being first in line for team dinner. They also get out of our conditioning test at the start of the season which is pretty nice because it starts at 6 am before a two a day practice.
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Post by coacht on Apr 30, 2014 8:50:39 GMT -6
Something cool our coach did when I was in school was put everybody's name that had perfect attendance up on the wall along the top of the weight room. Each name was printed big on a sheet of paper. If they missed a day their name came down. Nothing big but we all bought in.
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Post by brcoach on Apr 30, 2014 9:31:14 GMT -6
At a school I was at a few years ago, we told the kids that if all the players were at 75% of the summer workouts, we didn't do any conditioning during 2-a days. It was pretty efficient. I also called kids that missed more than two days in a row to try to get them up to the weight room.
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Post by 90rocket on Apr 30, 2014 10:38:50 GMT -6
How many days a week do you guys go in the summer? We did 3 last year, about 1.5 hours a day. Thinking about upping it to 4 days this year. I keep one offensive position stay later 1 day a week to work fundamentals an install.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Apr 30, 2014 12:18:24 GMT -6
To get our weight program off the ground we fed them before school (PB & J/choc. milk, muscle milk, smoothies, fruit etc...) but that was it. We added the t-shirts for attendance this winter, not gonna lie they are sweet shirts...kids were pissed when they didn't get them. We set the number as top 20.
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 30, 2014 13:16:44 GMT -6
We currently use shirts and it irritates the heck out of me. 1) almost every damn kid gets a shirt. It's based on maxes for a combined bench/squat/clean/dead. It's as low as 750. My momma could get a shirt! 2) there's no attendance requirement from what I've seen. I had a kid, who hasn't touched a weight since the season ended, walk in a get himself a shirt his first day. Ridiculous!
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Post by 90rocket on Apr 30, 2014 20:58:35 GMT -6
We currently use shirts and it irritates the heck out of me. 1) almost every damn kid gets a shirt. It's based on maxes for a combined bench/squat/clean/dead. It's as low as 750. My momma could get a shirt! 2) there's no attendance requirement from what I've seen. I had a kid, who hasn't touched a weight since the season ended, walk in a get himself a shirt his first day. Ridiculous! Have them reach a number based on body weight. We use 3x your body weight for sophs, 3.5x for juniors, 4x for seniors. Bench, squat, clean only. We get about 75% of the kids to pass this. |
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Post by coachphillip on May 1, 2014 8:32:51 GMT -6
We currently use shirts and it irritates the heck out of me. 1) almost every damn kid gets a shirt. It's based on maxes for a combined bench/squat/clean/dead. It's as low as 750. My momma could get a shirt! 2) there's no attendance requirement from what I've seen. I had a kid, who hasn't touched a weight since the season ended, walk in a get himself a shirt his first day. Ridiculous! Have them reach a number based on body weight. We use 3x your body weight for sophs, 3.5x for juniors, 4x for seniors. Bench, squat, clean only. We get about 75% of the kids to pass this. Great idea, Coach. Gotta run that by our HC. |
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Post by silkyice on May 1, 2014 9:09:27 GMT -6
Have them reach a number based on body weight. We use 3x your body weight for sophs, 3.5x for juniors, 4x for seniors. Bench, squat, clean only. We get about 75% of the kids to pass this. Great idea, Coach. Gotta run that by our HC. A senior that weighs 300 pounds and benches 350, cleans 300, and squats 500, will be 50 pounds short of getting a t-shirt!!! But a soph that weighs 140 pounds only has to bench 135, clean 135, and squat 150 to get one. Hopefully I don't have to go into my bodyweight percentage rant again to get my point across. |
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Post by coach2013 on May 1, 2014 9:17:46 GMT -6
We currently use shirts and it irritates the heck out of me. 1) almost every damn kid gets a shirt. It's based on maxes for a combined bench/squat/clean/dead. It's as low as 750. My momma could get a shirt! 2) there's no attendance requirement from what I've seen. I had a kid, who hasn't touched a weight since the season ended, walk in a get himself a shirt his first day. Ridiculous! The purpose of our tee shirts is to advertise our program while also being a simple cheap reward for those that buy into our program. we have a "buy in" tee shirt that we give out in the first 1/4 of the off season for kids that make 25/30 workouts. - these shirts help promote the program. we have an incentive based tee shirt to follow that one- 85 workouts / Coach goal shirt- the coaching staff sets progress goals for each kid. Goal accomplished through either attendance or performance gets the coach goal shirt. - these shirts say "hey look what I did" They are also proof that you can become a captain in our program. If you don't earn the coach goal shirt, you cant become a captain. We have third type of shirt, 1100 lb club, 1000 lb club. (bench, squad, dead) - these shirts say "Im a beast" basically. |
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Post by gibbs72 on May 1, 2014 11:43:05 GMT -6
We also have the "Pound Clubs" but when we started doing a Power/ Strength Index, the kids saw their rankings among each other and those who are competing for the same spot. It became motivation on its own without the coaches having to brow beat kids into coming to the weight room: peer pressure is a great incentive.
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Post by newhope on May 1, 2014 12:39:56 GMT -6
We lift, run, and do skill development 3 days a week. "The expectation is that you will be there." They know if they aren't, someone else is who will take their place. We aren't going to play the ones who don't show. We don't say that---can't make it mandatory--but if you're not committed, we'll play lesser talent that works and tha is committed. They catch on. We've offered cutting 2 40's off their conditioning sprints each practice once fall practice begins for those who make 80 percent or better---but they just voluntarily run them anyhow. (Our line on this one is "those that didn't show up need extra conditioning for the sake of safety")
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Post by rico54 on May 9, 2014 21:55:53 GMT -6
We are very simple miss 5 or more practices in the summer you don't get helmet decals. 95% attendance in my first 2 years.
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Post by gibbs72 on May 10, 2014 8:41:03 GMT -6
At a school I was at a few years ago, we told the kids that if all the players were at 75% of the summer workouts, we didn't do any conditioning during 2-a days. It was pretty efficient. I also called kids that missed more than two days in a row to try to get them up to the weight room. This is what we are doing this fall. We're calling it the 80/80 rule: if 80% of our roster makes 80% of the workouts, then we condition a lot less the first days of practice without pads. |
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Post by carookie on May 11, 2014 13:17:15 GMT -6
I was at a place once that did a lot of incentivizing for workouts. Was not solely based on attendance though; pct. increase of maxes and improvement of times on the track also played a role. We put them in groups of 5-6 (and by put them I mean spent time to make sure the good leaders were in groups with guys who needed some motivation).
Prizes were fairly legit, the obligatory T-Shirts, also some decent hoodies (or something of that nature) and usually a gift card for $25 per kid in the winning group (applebees, or music downloads). We'd test once every 8 weeks or so.
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