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Post by rooster on Mar 25, 2007 15:55:40 GMT -6
I need some help Coaches.
I'm curious if anyone on this board has their JV football team practice with the varsity, and if so, how can I make it work?
I've been entertaining the idea and am now looking for some input. Could someone explain how you set up practice times, etc., and explain the pro's and con's of the situation?
The reason I've been considering this is because next year's team will be strictly 2-platoon. With the ability to do that, it makes sense to combine our varsity and JV staff and coach one position on order to maximize our practice time. Our JV coaches have been varisty coaches who have a lot of football experience.
Thanks for any help!
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Post by spartancoach on Mar 25, 2007 16:54:44 GMT -6
We have separate practices for varsity and freshman. All seniors, juniors and sophomores practice together. The "JV" team that plays on Mondays is merely the "varsity" players that either did not get in the game on Friday/Saturday, or only played a few plays. But everyone practices together. In terms of practice time, we have offense and defense practice at the same times, and follow what I think is a pretty standard schedule: dynamic stretch for everyone than, offensively, individual drills, group drills (1/2 inside and 1/2 pass skeleton, then switch), team O v. air, bags or scout team focusing on various situations.
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Post by CVBears on Mar 25, 2007 17:07:05 GMT -6
I need some help Coaches. I'm curious if anyone on this board has their JV football team practice with the varsity, and if so, how can I make it work? I've been entertaining the idea and am now looking for some input. Could someone explain how you set up practice times, etc., and explain the pro's and con's of the situation? The reason I've been considering this is because next year's team will be strictly 2-platoon. With the ability to do that, it makes sense to combine our varsity and JV staff and coach one position on order to maximize our practice time. Our JV coaches have been varisty coaches who have a lot of football experience. Thanks for any help! This is how we did it: -varsity is on defense individual period, jv is on offense and vice versa. -skelly and inside run were seen as an extention of indy time (for planning purposes). DB coach for skelly would make the script (obviously from the direction of the OC) and who is on scout and when. Same would be for the OL coach on inside run. The key here is that they had to be organized, who (as in players) was running with which group and when. This sounds a lot more difficult than it actually is. -team period the JV OC and JV DC along with one other coach would go to one end of the field and everyone else was on the varsity side. There was a lot of flexibility with that though. Coaches were free to float depending on the emphasis of the practice/situation/players and what they were all working on. -special teams were varsity kickoff vs. jv kick return. spread out the coaching duties on specials so everyone has a job and not one coach is running around in five different places.
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Post by touchdowng on Mar 25, 2007 17:08:17 GMT -6
Are you going two platooned for the first time? What are your numbers in your program and what are the typical numbers in the programs you compete against? How many position coaches on D / O do you have?
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Post by rooster on Mar 26, 2007 7:50:07 GMT -6
This is not the first time we've two-platooned, but the first time our coaches will two-platoon (coach one side of the ball only). Including our JV, we will have 8 coaches (6 paid / 2 volunteers). Therefore, we would have 4 coaches on each side of the ball, instead of every coach coaching two positions.
Annually, we have have 50-55 on varsity (SR/JR) and 35-40 on JV (Soph). Our JV's play on Thursday nights.
As far as numbers in programs we play against, they are pretty equal. We are the second lowest enrollment in our 9 team league. (8-2, 6-4 the last two seasons).
We're hoping that by two-platooning, our kids will get better at just one position because they will be busy the whole practice. Obviously, there will be kids that will have to play on both sides, but that only applies to a couple players.
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Post by fbdoc on Mar 26, 2007 9:06:43 GMT -6
We can't do it at our school. The difference in talent is simply to great. We have 4 coaches at each level so our kids get some pretty good instruction and quality reps.
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Post by PSS on Mar 26, 2007 9:58:19 GMT -6
I need some help Coaches. I'm curious if anyone on this board has their JV football team practice with the varsity, and if so, how can I make it work? I've been entertaining the idea and am now looking for some input. Could someone explain how you set up practice times, etc., and explain the pro's and con's of the situation? The reason I've been considering this is because next year's team will be strictly 2-platoon. With the ability to do that, it makes sense to combine our varsity and JV staff and coach one position on order to maximize our practice time. Our JV coaches have been varisty coaches who have a lot of football experience. Thanks for any help! This is how we did it: -varsity is on defense individual period, jv is on offense and vice versa. -skelly and inside run were seen as an extention of indy time (for planning purposes). DB coach for skelly would make the script (obviously from the direction of the OC) and who is on scout and when. Same would be for the OL coach on inside run. The key here is that they had to be organized, who (as in players) was running with which group and when. This sounds a lot more difficult than it actually is. -team period the JV OC and JV DC along with one other coach would go to one end of the field and everyone else was on the varsity side. There was a lot of flexibility with that though. Coaches were free to float depending on the emphasis of the practice/situation/players and what they were all working on. -special teams were varsity kickoff vs. jv kick return. spread out the coaching duties on specials so everyone has a job and not one coach is running around in five different places. I've done it that way before. It worked fine, however we had to supplement some of our varsity kids on scout team in order to give us a good "look". Some years more varsity on scout than not. What I like about this concept is the JV kids are getting quality coaching by the varsity coaches. Plus if you are shorthanded on coaches but have quality depth in players, it gives you a system to be able to 2 platoon. I'm sure there are other ways but I've always been on a staff that has had only 13 coaches for 9th through varsity running 3 freshmen teams, 2 jv teams and the varsity. So you can see where I'm coming from on this.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 26, 2007 12:35:02 GMT -6
We have no choice where I am now. We had 45 players 9-12 last year. When our JV's played monday nights we would have 13-14 guys for practice. The last school I coached at we had frosh, jv and varsity program with prob 150-160 kids total. Had to have 3 teams. But the situation we are faced with now there is no other way for us. We also have a small staff so it works out. The younger kids get coached the same as the varsity kids so we know when there are playing in the varsity games they know what they are doing. We just have to be careful in some drills and make sure we match up playser accordingly but other than that we haven't had many problems.
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Post by kboyd on Mar 26, 2007 14:38:16 GMT -6
During individual time we have the two squads work together, then we separate them for team time.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 26, 2007 14:59:14 GMT -6
What I do now will not be of any help we are too small of a school... everyone dresses varsity (about 24 players).
At a 5A school, our plan was similar to kboyd's:
During individual time we have the two squads work together, then we separate them for team time
On occasion, we would go together for team.
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Post by coachveer on Mar 26, 2007 16:47:56 GMT -6
My Alma Mater did it that way for years. Both when I played and when I first got into coaching. The HC liked the idea of one big staff 9 coaches for both teams. He felt it made for a better class of Jrs every year. Also felt there was a heck of a less learning curve for all those kids.
All JV kids were on the same page. The JV lineman where forced to swap paint with the varsity lineman everyday in practice. So they had no fear come game time. No we had to keep the JV package a bit smaller but we always had winning records on the JV. The Varsity did ok with 2 state titles and 10 straight playoff appearences in the mid 80's and early 90's
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Post by hoptions on Mar 27, 2007 6:35:19 GMT -6
We do something similar. We have 8 coaches 4 on offense 4 on defense. Monday is varsity defense day and jv offense day, Tuesday is opposite. Wednesday we split the practice and do both. We also do 30 min of special teams each day, 4 coaches have punt, kick, FG D; the other 4 have the return game and FG. We work two a day and flip, so that we get all 6 in before Thursday. There are a few players that do go both ways on the varsity level but the majority do not, so they stay on one field the whole time. Also When in special teams when the players are not involved in special teams they are over working on individual techniques…mostly the linemen.
I have loved this system. It has allowed me to focus on one position and become a better coach by focusing on just on position. It has also allowed the lower levels to be coached by one person their whole career, thus helping to level the learning curve.
This also allows you to be able to make adjustments during the game. There are 4 coaches that are not coaching when O or D is on the field. That time on the sideline can be used to communicate with your players and the booth to make in game adjustments, now you don’t have to wait until halftime or between quarters.
The only down falls I have seen is that since the majority of the players only go one way they get the same drills two and three times a week, so I need to find 3 ways to work combo steps so that the kids don’t get board. Also since I used to coach two sides of the ball I find myself peeking over to the defense from time to time to see what they are doing. I even got to the point where I would sneak into their staff meetings to see what was going on. What can I say…I missed it.
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Post by browntown on Mar 27, 2007 6:49:36 GMT -6
I am a huge fan of practicing together in order to better utilize a staff. We started doing this last year with all three levels and this year we are letting freshman go on their own and just working with varsity and jv. I love what this has done for my position coaches and what it has done for our jv as they are getting more attention than they other wise would have. It has allowed our varsity to get more one on one coaching as well and really pushed us toward two platoon system. This next year out of about 50 varsity players only 7 will practice both ways. We do not scrimmage one another though as I am not sure how it would benefit our varsity, too big a gap in talent. All individual drills may have a combination of both jv and varsity at a specific position but there is an emphasis on which ever level is technically the one scheduled on that side of the ball. I also love how the varsity kids have started to help the younger kids during drills. I don't ever want to switch back to the old way of coaching two positions.
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Post by neil on Mar 27, 2007 8:00:52 GMT -6
My dad has 120 players in grades 10-12. They all practice together on the same field. Most of the players have one position. However, the special players play both O-D. They are called "switch" players. So, practice will go something like this: Primary Indo Switch Indo Primary Group Switch Group Team O Team D They have 6-8 coaches, depending on who the administration has hired
I have 45-50 players grades 9-12. They all practice together. We try to platoon the best we can. (This season we had 2 players start both ways) It makes a huge difference to be able to do this in 1A football. Everybody practiced two ways, however. Monday was Primary Defensive Day Tuesday - Offense Wednesday - Both Thursday - Walk Through
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Post by biggroff on Mar 27, 2007 15:09:55 GMT -6
Best thing we ever did as a program is have our Varsity and Sophomores practice together.
We are a school that has 45-55 Juniors and Seniors and about 30 or so sohpomores. We play in 5A (out out 8 classes) in Illinois. We have a sophomore and a varisty game back to back on friday nights.
We practice Offense with our Varsity and defense with our sohpomores. Half-way through practice we switch. This allows our 8 sohpomore and varisity coaches to be split into 4 offensive and 4 defensive coaches.
On defense I coach both the sohpomore and varsity LB's. It really allows each player to hear the same thing from me for three years by the time they are a senior. We have great continuity in our porgram by doing this. I know as a defensive coordinator that the sohpomores and the varsity are running the same thing both conceptually and with the same terminology. The game plan will be different for both levels week in and week out.
I call the defenses on the varisity. The defenive backs coach calls the defense on the sophomores. I let him take the lead during sophomore team defense so that the sophs get used to following his leadership during games. This system really allows me to get to know the sophs before they get to varsity.
The only negative is that as a defensive coach I have no idea what our offense is doing. I spen the entire day on defense. Also the head coach really does not know what I am doing on defense so he has a lot of faith in me calling the defense. You really have to trust your staff when practicing this way.
We do not 2 platoon. We will have about 2 players each year play both ways though this year we may actually start 11 different players on each side of the ball. We almost never have your linemen, QB, or RB play both ways. Usually it is our TE or WR/DB types that play both ways.
Hope this helps
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Post by stackattack on Mar 27, 2007 19:00:12 GMT -6
I know as a defensive coordinator that the sohpomores and the varsity are running the same thing both conceptually and with the same terminology. That is HUGE!!! While we all practice together, sophomores through seniors, the JV is team is basically varsity kids who didn't play Friday Night, as spartancoach said.
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Post by airman on Mar 27, 2007 19:09:35 GMT -6
i go by the st john's method. have one team and several strings.
team period
1st o vs 1st d 20 min on O and 20 on D. 1st team d is the scout team for the 1st team O and vice versa.
at the same time 2nd is going against 2nds, 3rds vs 3rds and 4th vs 4ths. all are doing team o and d at the same time.
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