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Post by blb on Apr 18, 2014 6:37:02 GMT -6
Every district I have worked for has had an Athletic Code of Conduct or similar which spells out "Training Rules" including when they are enforced (during season only or year-round, e.g.) and consequences.
So whether I agreed with them or not, it was out of my hands. Enforcement was-is the purview of the athletic director. The positive is no coach can be accused of overlooking infractions or going easy on punishments to play someone in order to help him-her win.
I've looked on the back of my teaching certificate, and it says nothing about law enforcement. After each game I remind our kids to not do anything to embarrass themselves, their family, our team, school, or community.
I assume that they don't until I hear otherwise. I don't do "Social Media" and I don't go looking under or behind rocks.
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Post by coachwilcox on Apr 18, 2014 8:27:11 GMT -6
Whether the kid has good parents or not. He was caught and he must be held accountable. With knowledge of his actions, you then are either condoning or turning away from those things he has committed. If you want to run a program where the players openly know, "hey I can smoke a little weed and still get caught, but coach don't care", then go for it. As for me. I let my players know up front, I will and can, based on BOE policy, that you can be drug tested. If you partake in those things, you are not heading down the same path as we are. Good luck to you but if you want to be a part of this team then you need to turn away from those things and make better decisions. He was held accountable, read the OP. The issue is what to do about the alleged set up. I realize past discretions have given him a black eye and cast doubt on his story, but the fact is there are witnesses who say he was set up. Now to your point about not holding kids accountable, are you really as someone else said going to spend your time being a detecvtive? If some kid posts pictures of him puffin weed, then yes you can prove it. I am also not arguing about having some consequence if it is in season, but this stuff of being in kids business when they are away and out of season is over the line for me. Also, if I was a kid and some coach said he was going to drug test me, I would say I'll be right in line after the coaches. First of all, I do not allow a player of mine to talk to me with, "if I have to get a drug test, then you better get one too." Secondly, they can drug test me all they want, I don't mess with that stuff! Now back to the original question. It doesn't matter what the kids think was a set up or not, it matters what the police report says and finds. If the charges stand, then he must face repercussions in my program. If they clear his name, we are still going to discuss the situation and go from there.
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Post by jmg999 on Apr 18, 2014 12:52:34 GMT -6
Now back to the original question. It doesn't matter what the kids think was a set up or not, it matters what the police report says and finds. If the charges stand, then he must face repercussions in my program. If they clear his name, we are still going to discuss the situation and go from there. So, you're saying that even if you know for a fact that it was a setup, if the police say they can't find usable evidence to clear the kid, he'll be guilty in your eyes, too? Where's the logic in that statement? And, if the police do exonerate him, why would you have a discussion w/ him about something he didn't scheme up?
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Post by gators1422 on Apr 18, 2014 14:22:47 GMT -6
Well the school board has decided whatever the law determines is what they are going with. So if they say not guilty as far as the school is concerned its over.
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Post by jmg999 on Apr 18, 2014 14:40:16 GMT -6
Common knowledge says that police investigations are devised to provide enough evidence to either exonerate or prosecute. What about the evidence they don't find? Sometimes, this evidence will prove guilt, and sometimes, it will exonerate someone. How many times have we seen stories about someone accused of committing a crime, and the DA says that charges won't be filed? Many people jump to the conclusion that the person is innocent, when, in actuality, it simply means that enough evidence wasn't found in order to prosecute successfully. Being exonerated is not the same thing as being proven innocent, although sometimes these two things may coincide. Of course, this works in the other direction, as well.
If, for instance, in this case, you saw a security videotape of the ex-girlfriend planting the weed in this student's car, yet after viewing the tape, it was somehow damaged beyond repair, and the police were never able to view it. If the police say that they're going to have to recommend that the DA prosecute, are you going to burn this kid down for something that you know he didn't do, simply b/c the police didn't have access to the proper evidence to exonerate the student? To sacrifice a young man for the sake of following protocol seems absurd.
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Post by coachorm on Apr 18, 2014 15:09:36 GMT -6
Now back to the original question. It doesn't matter what the kids think was a set up or not, it matters what the police report says and finds. If the charges stand, then he must face repercussions in my program. If they clear his name, we are still going to discuss the situation and go from there. So, you're saying that even if you know for a fact that it was a setup, if the police say they can't find usable evidence to clear the kid, he'll be guilty in your eyes, too? Where's the logic in that statement? And, if the police do exonerate him, why would you have a discussion w/ him about something he didn't scheme up? I would guess what coachwilcox means is he will have a discussion with this kid more about choices in who you hang-out with and associate yourself with. Obviously if this kid is in a situation where someone is trying to set him up to look guilty then he is pissing off the wrong people. I agree once the law says he is innocent then its over, but part of our job as coaches whether we like it or not is shaping these young boys into men that will one day be men of Great Character. So, yeah I can understand talking with him and possibly the rest of the team too about ways to help avoid situations like this. I for one enjoy this part of my job, especially when a former player comes back and shows off his family and tells me how successful he has been because of something I did for him as a teacher/coach.
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Post by jlenwood on Apr 18, 2014 19:18:12 GMT -6
He was held accountable, read the OP. The issue is what to do about the alleged set up. I realize past discretions have given him a black eye and cast doubt on his story, but the fact is there are witnesses who say he was set up. Now to your point about not holding kids accountable, are you really as someone else said going to spend your time being a detecvtive? If some kid posts pictures of him puffin weed, then yes you can prove it. I am also not arguing about having some consequence if it is in season, but this stuff of being in kids business when they are away and out of season is over the line for me. Also, if I was a kid and some coach said he was going to drug test me, I would say I'll be right in line after the coaches. First of all, I do not allow a player of mine to talk to me with, "if I have to get a drug test, then you better get one too." Secondly, they can drug test me all they want, I don't mess with that stuff! Now back to the original question. It doesn't matter what the kids think was a set up or not, it matters what the police report says and finds. If the charges stand, then he must face repercussions in my program. If they clear his name, we are still going to discuss the situation and go from there. I agree that it would be dependent on an investigation. If the police say it was his weed, he is gone no 2 ways about it. About the drug test, it was meant as a point of emphasis for me to relay how much I beleive a school has no business drug testing anyone. And I also don't "mess with that stuff", but I will never take a drug test and I don't think a kid should have to either unless it is a requirement of some sort of parol or court action. Schools have no business, in my opinion, doing drug tests.
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 26, 2014 15:22:05 GMT -6
The 1st time you shouldn't have done anything. Now he needs to be gone.
If he is cleared you can decide to bring him back or not.
I understand his problem. I have dealt with similar issues. If the system does not suspend him do WE have the right 2?
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