jstill
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Post by jstill on Apr 4, 2014 6:16:58 GMT -6
Coaches I need your help on this topic. The state of SC is starting to feel the pressure of Tackle AAU football starting this spring. The AAU organization is actually starting combines in certain area's of the state and have divided up the state into certain regions. What are your thoughts on 7 on 7 AAU Football? How about Tackle AAU Football? Is your state participating in AAU Football? Does anyone have any material (articles) that supports or disagrees with AAU Football? One of our concerns is that if all the other schools in the area are allowing there athletes to participate...will our kids be loosing out...or even be recruited to play at another school. Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
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Post by fantom on Apr 4, 2014 6:31:42 GMT -6
My first thought is this: Phock no!!! Keep it away as long as you can.
Will kids transfer schools, put the needs of their AAU team and coach above yours, and become more self-centered? Absolutely. Your state association should do everything they can to kill this.
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Post by lochness on Apr 4, 2014 7:08:57 GMT -6
Agreed. Right now, I'm hoping that my two young sons decide that their primary sport is football because that is the only sport that doesn't have all is rec league / AAU / Elite Travel team bull$hit that is killing youth sports in America.
High School football is special and unique for a lot of reasons. It's one of the only advantages we have right now. Don't lose that.
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 4, 2014 7:23:28 GMT -6
Don't even get we started with AAU sports. I also coach baseball and all this AAU crap does more harm ththan good. All AAU is is a money maker. All they care about is dollar signs. Very little actual teaching and coaching going on.
AAU baseball around here costs anywhere from $600-$3000 a kid. Absolutely rediculous.
All I ever hear is "my aau coach said this, he told me to do this." AAU coaches tell kids what they want to hear. Of course they are gonna tell you youre good. You're paying them thousands of dollars.
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Post by olcoach53 on Apr 4, 2014 7:43:25 GMT -6
AAU sports is ruining HS athletics. Now all of a sudden there is year round baseball and basketball and kids focus on one sport instead of enjoying high school and playing multiple sports. I know that was one really long sentence with little punctuation, sorry.
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Post by wingtol on Apr 4, 2014 8:18:08 GMT -6
AAU must be stopped at all costs.  |
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Post by casec11 on Apr 4, 2014 10:56:03 GMT -6
How do you stop it before it starts?
Teachers Union/ State Athletic association?
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Post by mahonz on Apr 4, 2014 11:34:28 GMT -6
How is AAU Football any different than PW or AYF? If I remember right...AAU is actually a better deal than PW or AYF because they do not discriminate against the big kids and do not allow older lighter HS age kids to play.
Is this a Middle School level problem? We have no Middle School Sports where I live so I dont understand the problem. How does AAU hurt HS Sports?
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Post by tothehouse on Apr 4, 2014 11:40:45 GMT -6
AAU is different than Pop Warner because, I would imagine, the AAU teams can make super teams and pull from anywhere. Oh wait, some PW teams already do that.
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Post by fballcoachg on Apr 4, 2014 19:21:48 GMT -6
I don't care how this comes off...think of all the problems with AAU basketball, how self centered and poorly coached it is, now apply that to football. Youth football daddy coaches are bad enough now you are adding Derek Dingleberry around the way who is going to put together an all star squad, not coach a darn thing about fundamentals or safety, promise kids scholarships, and do absolutely nothing but pump up the best players?
Trainwreck is no where near an accurate description f the cluster this will be.
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Post by wingtol on Apr 5, 2014 6:27:39 GMT -6
How is AAU Football any different than PW or AYF? If I remember right...AAU is actually a better deal than PW or AYF because they do not discriminate against the big kids and do not allow older lighter HS age kids to play. Is this a Middle School level problem? We have no Middle School Sports where I live so I dont understand the problem. How does AAU hurt HS Sports? I think the issue is AAU at the high school level. Look what has happened with AAU basketball at the HS level, it really at the upper levels of talent has taken over high school ball. Some of those AAU guys have basically become street agents. Just something I feel we don't need creeping into high school football. |
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 5, 2014 8:04:26 GMT -6
How is AAU Football any different than PW or AYF? If I remember right...AAU is actually a better deal than PW or AYF because they do not discriminate against the big kids and do not allow older lighter HS age kids to play. Is this a Middle School level problem? We have no Middle School Sports where I live so I dont understand the problem. How does AAU hurt HS Sports? I think the issue is AAU at the high school level. Look what has happened with AAU basketball at the HS level, it really at the upper levels of talent has taken over high school ball. Some of those AAU guys have basically become street agents. Just something I feel we don't need creeping into high school football. I can't really speak for basketball, but for baseball, high school aged AAU baseball around here is after the HS season is over. It doesn't conflict at all. Youth AAU is terrible. They have practice and workouts all year long, their season is during the middle school season so kids are over worked. The coaching is very poor and I could go on. What Im getting at is that I feel 14 and under AAU is the monster. High school aged AAU baseball during the summer still is all about money, coaching isn't the greatest, but at least its not during the school season. As far as football goes, any aged AAU would just be bad. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards |
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Post by irishdog on Apr 5, 2014 10:26:07 GMT -6
How is AAU Football any different than PW or AYF? If I remember right...AAU is actually a better deal than PW or AYF because they do not discriminate against the big kids and do not allow older lighter HS age kids to play. Is this a Middle School level problem? We have no Middle School Sports where I live so I dont understand the problem. How does AAU hurt HS Sports? How about…BURNOUT? OVERKILL? FALSE HOPES? ENTITLEMENT? POOR COACHING? Just to name a few. Why do you think HS football coaches look upon basketball with such disdain? We don't want what AAU did to basketball to happen to football. |
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Post by Coach.A on Apr 5, 2014 19:50:32 GMT -6
Coaches I need your help on this topic. The state of SC is starting to feel the pressure of Tackle AAU football starting this spring. The AAU organization is actually starting combines in certain area's of the state and have divided up the state into certain regions. What are your thoughts on 7 on 7 AAU Football? How about Tackle AAU Football? Is your state participating in AAU Football? Does anyone have any material (articles) that supports or disagrees with AAU Football? One of our concerns is that if all the other schools in the area are allowing there athletes to participate...will our kids be loosing out...or even be recruited to play at another school. Thanks in advance for your thoughts! Would high school coaches be allowed to coach the AAU teams? Could they use this to their advantage? |
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Post by coachorm on Apr 5, 2014 20:18:58 GMT -6
Poor Coaching which leads to a lack of player safety is the main issue in my opinion. PLus as others have stated AAU/Travel-ball or whatever you want to call them, those coaches will no doubt tell kids they are better than they actually are. Then when Lil Johonny does come to you in middle school or high school his dad is gonna want to know why he doesn't start right away since coach so and so told him he was the next Manning.
I coach high school football and would hate to see this, because I also coach middle school baseball and have seen first hand what it does to that sport. Kids will play try to play both middle school and travel baseball. Which is illegal by my states rules. The punishment if the player is caught is the school team forfeiting all games that player participated in. I know I have had several players do both. None of been caught but when a kid come in and I need him to pitch but he can't cause he pitched a travel ball tournament that weekend its pretty obvious whats up. This season I had a kid make tryouts and then his parents try to tell me he couldn't be at my practices on Thursdays because he had personal pitching and hitting lessons. I told them this was unexceptable and of course he quit. May not seem bad but now I am down a player because I had already made cuts and can't go back and pick up kids I already cut.
IMO AAU football would do the same thing and suddenly that kid you counted on is gonna be gone because the coach he paid 2k to told him he was great and your just and idiot for not seeing that.
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 5, 2014 21:52:59 GMT -6
Coaches I need your help on this topic. The state of SC is starting to feel the pressure of Tackle AAU football starting this spring. The AAU organization is actually starting combines in certain area's of the state and have divided up the state into certain regions. What are your thoughts on 7 on 7 AAU Football? How about Tackle AAU Football? Is your state participating in AAU Football? Does anyone have any material (articles) that supports or disagrees with AAU Football? One of our concerns is that if all the other schools in the area are allowing there athletes to participate...will our kids be loosing out...or even be recruited to play at another school. Thanks in advance for your thoughts! Would high school coaches be allowed to coach the AAU teams? Could they use this to their advantage? Not sure if this is a state rule or a federation rule, but here a high school coach cannot be involved in coaching an outside team that has players from the HS team. For example I coach baseball, I cannot coach a summer travel team with any of my HS kids on it. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards |
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Post by mahonz on Apr 6, 2014 15:59:11 GMT -6
How is AAU Football any different than PW or AYF? If I remember right...AAU is actually a better deal than PW or AYF because they do not discriminate against the big kids and do not allow older lighter HS age kids to play. Is this a Middle School level problem? We have no Middle School Sports where I live so I dont understand the problem. How does AAU hurt HS Sports? I think the issue is AAU at the high school level. Look what has happened with AAU basketball at the HS level, it really at the upper levels of talent has taken over high school ball. Some of those AAU guys have basically become street agents. Just something I feel we don't need creeping into high school football. I am not familiar with AAU anything except that I have never heard of AAU Football fielding teams above the 12U level...and that they have no weight restrictions unlike PW and many AYF Orgs. My area is 100% Independent Leagues when it comes to Youth Football...no PW or AYF or AAU. In my town Gold Crown is the King of all Club Leagues and was started by a former Denver Nugget many years ago. They work closely with all of the HS Programs with no intentions of taking away from HS Athletics but instead they support them. The Colorado Rockies are now heavily involved and the Foundation is fully accepted by CHSSA. www.goldcrownfoundation.com/Is AAU Basketball in the business of taking away from HS Athletics? I do know that Gold Crown Basketball is by far and away a step above any Youth Rec Basketball League...in every aspect... and why I was asking. I thought maybe AAU was the same kind of deal. Doesn't sound like it. |
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 6, 2014 16:15:26 GMT -6
I think the issue is AAU at the high school level. Look what has happened with AAU basketball at the HS level, it really at the upper levels of talent has taken over high school ball. Some of those AAU guys have basically become street agents. Just something I feel we don't need creeping into high school football. I am not familiar with AAU anything except that I have never heard of AAU Football fielding teams above the 12U level...and that they have no weight restrictions unlike PW and many AYF Orgs. My area is 100% Independent Leagues when it comes to Youth Football...no PW or AYF or AAU. In my town Gold Crown is the King of all Club Leagues and was started by a former Denver Nugget many years ago. They work closely with all of the HS Programs with no intentions of taking away from HS Athletics but instead they support them. The Colorado Rockies are now heavily involved and the Foundation is fully accepted by CHSSA. www.goldcrownfoundation.com/Is AAU Basketball in the business of taking away from HS Athletics? I do know that Gold Crown Basketball is by far and away a step above any Youth Rec Basketball League...in every aspect... and why I was asking. I thought maybe AAU was the same kind of deal. Doesn't sound like it. Quick history of AAU sports from 1992 to the present. I'm too young to know about aau before then....Originally AAU soccer and Bball were for the cream of the crop. Our little state of rhode island use to have one or two AAU soccer teams, that's it. Same with basketball. Now there's several teams and the talent is watered down. AAU use to be for the best of the best. Now its for anyone willing to fork over the outragious amount of money. AAU, although greatly watered down now, still has better talent than rec leagues, but at 10-50 times the cost but about the same level of coaching. As stated already, I've seen AAU cost up to $3,000 a kid. For some reason kids think AAU puts them on track to be scouted. This is very very false for the 15U and younger age groups. Modern AAU gives kids such a false sense of how good they are. Yes they're are some studs playing aau, that's not who I'm talking about. I'm talking about the average kid who is told he's great. AAU hurts high school sports because instead of a kid playing basketball in the winter and baseball in the spring. He now plays basketball in the winter and AAU basketball in the spring. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards |
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Post by jmg999 on Apr 6, 2014 16:41:10 GMT -6
Admittedly, I don't know much about AAU athletics, but what I have read illuminates their motives quite well. They're like a contagion virus. They come to town, target every school in a 15-mile radius, and require membership to participate in their activities. There's even an article on the AAU web site that talks about how coaches recruit directly from AAU-affiliated teams. They're like indoctrination camps designed to funnel kids to certain schools/coaches, and I can't count how many stories I've read about AAU basketball coaches being on the take. This seems to be especially true of the kids on scholarship in these AAU programs. They seem to be the shady underbelly of high school athletics. This is an interesting article followed by an informative discussion. |
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 6, 2014 17:31:24 GMT -6
There's also a lot of AAU teams started by parents of kids who aren't good enough to play on the "good" teams.
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Post by mahonz on Apr 6, 2014 17:34:42 GMT -6
I am not familiar with AAU anything except that I have never heard of AAU Football fielding teams above the 12U level...and that they have no weight restrictions unlike PW and many AYF Orgs. My area is 100% Independent Leagues when it comes to Youth Football...no PW or AYF or AAU. In my town Gold Crown is the King of all Club Leagues and was started by a former Denver Nugget many years ago. They work closely with all of the HS Programs with no intentions of taking away from HS Athletics but instead they support them. The Colorado Rockies are now heavily involved and the Foundation is fully accepted by CHSSA. www.goldcrownfoundation.com/Is AAU Basketball in the business of taking away from HS Athletics? I do know that Gold Crown Basketball is by far and away a step above any Youth Rec Basketball League...in every aspect... and why I was asking. I thought maybe AAU was the same kind of deal. Doesn't sound like it. Quick history of AAU sports from 1992 to the present. I'm too young to know about aau before then....Originally AAU soccer and Bball were for the cream of the crop. Our little state of rhode island use to have one or two AAU soccer teams, that's it. Same with basketball. Now there's several teams and the talent is watered down. AAU use to be for the best of the best. Now its for anyone willing to fork over the outragious amount of money. AAU, although greatly watered down now, still has better talent than rec leagues, but at 10-50 times the cost but about the same level of coaching. As stated already, I've seen AAU cost up to $3,000 a kid. For some reason kids think AAU puts them on track to be scouted. This is very very false for the 15U and younger age groups. Modern AAU gives kids such a false sense of how good they are. Yes they're are some studs playing aau, that's not who I'm talking about. I'm talking about the average kid who is told he's great. AAU hurts high school sports because instead of a kid playing basketball in the winter and baseball in the spring. He now plays basketball in the winter and AAU basketball in the spring. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards So what you are saying is that they support Organized Leagues out of Season in an attempt to specialize pre HS Kids while drilling into Mom and Dads checkbook while their Rose Colored Glasses are Coke Bottle thick..... That ...I get. Parents are VERY easy marks for these types. |
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 6, 2014 18:12:43 GMT -6
Yep that's pretty much it. If AAU stayed the way it was originally, which was for the best of the best to play against eachother then i would be more for it as long as it took place in the summer like Anerican Legion Baseball. But as everyone on here has said, AAU football in pads, 11 on 11, is a disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by jmg999 on Apr 6, 2014 18:44:13 GMT -6
This discussion goes back to one that occurred the other day in these forums about attrition rates of the players. If they're beginning earlier and playing year-round, think what that'll do to attrition rates.
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Post by irishdog on Apr 6, 2014 18:47:32 GMT -6
This discussion goes back to one that occurred the other day in these forums about attrition rates of the players. If they're beginning earlier and playing year-round, think what that'll do to attrition rates. Amen to that! |
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Post by utchuckd on Apr 7, 2014 6:47:47 GMT -6
Are there any considerations about how many games one should play in a given year? A football season is only one game a week, 10-15 weeks a year, because of the preparation and recovery required. How many would they be playing for AAU? 10? 20? 30? Looks like they'd be missing off season workouts and be worn out and beaten all to hell by the time fall camp starts.
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Post by unc31 on Apr 7, 2014 10:32:37 GMT -6
College football coaches will be the biggest advocate for HS football if they will step up and do it. As soon as these so called "coaches", better classified as agents, try to contact college coaches about players they should just tell them immediately that they will not deal with them. Of course most will cave if they think the agent can give them a better shot at getting a kid, just like all of the college basketball coaches have don.
College coaches all around the county tell us how important we are to their success.....PROVE IT! Have the HS coaches backs on this. Most will do whatever it takes to get kids. They do not have loyalty to HS coaches. They say that because that is the only route right now. When that changes their opinions will change.
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Post by newhope on Apr 8, 2014 11:15:12 GMT -6
No, No, No....anything and everything to stop it. Use the state association...put rules in place. Cut them off before they get started. Years ago, basketball coaches thought AAU was going to be the way for them to get in extra practice and work with players...they allowed them to move in. Now high school basketball has surrendered to AAU and all the crooks and crazies and just out and out evil associated with it. Football has been the last holdout from the AAU/Club sport crowd. They have tried getting in through 7 on 7 and combines---and many coaches have let them get in. The day they move in will be the last day I coach football. Coaches, do all in your power to keep your players away from this--without the players, they can't get a foothold.
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Post by windigo on Apr 8, 2014 11:50:12 GMT -6
So kids are going to play full contact football year round??!!!!
Jesus Christ, they will have the banged up bodies of pros in their 30s by the time they are in their early 20s.
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 8, 2014 11:50:22 GMT -6
Recently had a travel tackle football team start up in the area. They are absolutely horrible. They had four guys starting for them from our roster that had under 0.75 GPAs. They have one guy coach the entire team. They let the QB tell the receivers what routes to run for their pass plays. They have two run plays: sweep left and sweep right. Kids are missing weights to go to "practice". The guy straight up drove two of our best freshmen to a practice of a local catholic HS to convince them to transfer and improve their chances of getting scholarships. Kids who are injured and held out of practices, workouts, etc to rehab are just going there and playing in full contact games. Had one of our best players hurt his shoulder sliding into a base for the HS baseball team. He was sitting out for a little. He went to the guy that weekend saying he wanted to play and started at QB. Why was he there? Why was he allowed to play without a minimum amount of practices? The guy had no answer. I hope he walks into oncoming traffic.
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 8, 2014 13:11:21 GMT -6
Recently had a travel tackle football team start up in the area. They are absolutely horrible. They had four guys starting for them from our roster that had under 0.75 GPAs. They have one guy coach the entire team. They let the QB tell the receivers what routes to run for their pass plays. They have two run plays: sweep left and sweep right. Kids are missing weights to go to "practice". The guy straight up drove two of our best freshmen to a practice of a local catholic HS to convince them to transfer and improve their chances of getting scholarships. Kids who are injured and held out of practices, workouts, etc to rehab are just going there and playing in full contact games. Had one of our best players hurt his shoulder sliding into a base for the HS baseball team. He was sitting out for a little. He went to the guy that weekend saying he wanted to play and started at QB. Why was he there? Why was he allowed to play without a minimum amount of practices? The guy had no answer. I hope he walks into oncoming traffic. To be fair to AAU teams (Baseball, Softball, BBall, Soccer), this type of situation is very rare. Because AAU is so expensive, they can afford very nice uniforms, equipment, gear, etc. They usually have plenty of coaches also because all the dad's want a hand in it and some coaches get paid. AAU is extremely appealing to kids, all matching gear, playing with more talented teammates, getting to play a ton of games. At first glance it looks and seems great, but it's all smoke and mirrors. |
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