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Post by smfreeman on Apr 2, 2014 7:05:26 GMT -6
I wanted to pose a question to get incite about other places in this country. At my current school we have had in 2 years 3 coaches suspended for disciplinary actions. Most of the time it is borderline stuff for instance a coach recently was suspended for touching a kids face another coach was accused of saying he was going to burn down the school and was suspended with no evidence. All but one of the coaches was reinstated but of course it really hurts their reputations because it is big news.
My question is does this happen where you have coached or are currently coaching often? It has never happened anyplace I have been but I read that some coaches are being fired for running up the score and hurting kids feelings. I am just looking to see what other places are like.
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Post by emptybackfield on Apr 2, 2014 7:09:15 GMT -6
Oh yeah. Unfortunately, we live in a society that just demands action. Whether or not it is the correct action is unimportant to many. If someone is accused of something, no reason to let facts play out before dropping the hammer.
It's the ready, fire, aim approach.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 2, 2014 8:11:57 GMT -6
I've got an assistant that is suspended for the first two games next year because he called an official a mother effer during our last playoff game. Got tossed from the game. He's also on our school board, so the need for action was probably greater than just some normal schlub.
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Post by gibbs72 on Apr 2, 2014 10:15:33 GMT -6
Was at a place where a coach I worked with was suspended (and eventually non-renewed) for using the word a** while another coach was hired even though he brought a reputation of regularly dropping multiple F bombs. So it's a culture of quick action combined with hypocracy.
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Post by coachdennis on Apr 2, 2014 11:35:48 GMT -6
I've got an assistant that is suspended for the first two games next year because he called an official a mother effer during our last playoff game. Got tossed from the game. He's also on our school board, so the need for action was probably greater than just some normal schlub. I've had more than one official tell me that they are willing to take some flak from the Head Coach. It's when the Assistants join the party that they start getting annoyed, and flags start to fly. I understand why - the Head Coach has a certain status, but when his assistants start in on you, it's clearly a sign that there is no control on the sidelines. Assistants need to focus on leading and coaching their units, and leave the officials and game management issues to the Head Coach... |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 2, 2014 11:42:10 GMT -6
He's our school board president, so it's a bit of a weird relationship.
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Post by jmg999 on Apr 3, 2014 4:49:25 GMT -6
The year before I began at my last stop, there was an incident that was the impetus for staff suspensions and firings. After the bowl game following the 2011 season, there was a fight between players that broke out in the handshake line. It had something to do w/ some gang nonsense. Three of our coaches didn't try to collect our guys, and bring them back to the locker room. Two of our coaches even started getting into it w/ the other team. They were both let go, and the third coach was suspended for the first two games of the following season. The head coach, ultimately responsible for our guys, was suspended for the first game of the season, as well.
This bowl game was a big point of pride for the school, as we won league for the first time in decades. This bowl game was being attended by the president of the school, and I'm certain that he was quite embarrassed, which led to the firings/suspensions. Some of our players were also kicked off the team.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Apr 3, 2014 7:07:09 GMT -6
In my area (DC suburb), it is pretty lenient. Last year, a school in our conference went through a bench clearing brawl. Though the team itself forfeitd a few games, I don't think any coaches were susupended. It was even found out the the coaches fabricated some facts to try and cover up some details, and still nothing was done to the coaches.
I've even saw where a b-ball coach went nose to nose with a principal from an opposing school (called him a B*tch and everything) and still no suspension.
Years ago, I was tossed from a JV b-ball game. Two tech's within 60 seconds (bang-bang). I just couldn't stop running my mouth. It was such a small town that people made both, the ref and I, feel embarassed for our actions. I deserved the first tech, but people thought he reacted too quickly on the second ( I deserved the second tech as well). It's whatever now, but the point is, most felt the community scorn was enough punishment for us both. Small town's have a way of administering a type of discipline that goes far beyond any judicial actions.
It is interesting how certain areas react to public or rumored actions.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Apr 3, 2014 8:46:46 GMT -6
I don't do much yelling at refs unless I think they're ignoring cheap shots to just hurry the game along. I HATE when an assistant talks to refs. We have a strict rule that only myself and my OC can talk to the ref and his only statement/question can be "how many timeouts do I have." Other than that, you talk to the ref/complain about a call purposefully loud and I make you sit on the bench.
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Post by jmg999 on Apr 3, 2014 12:32:08 GMT -6
Actually, I just watched a video last night of a fight between two college baseball teams in Arkansas that began w/ the managers jawing at one another. It was escalated, when the players spilled onto the field, and one player attacked the opposing manager. It was really pretty shameful. I'm curious to see how the governing bodies handle this.
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Post by newhope on Apr 8, 2014 11:20:00 GMT -6
Assistants don't speak with officials--that's my job. You get a penalty as an assistant, you better be really good at your job or you won't be doing it with me any longer.
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 8, 2014 11:34:58 GMT -6
I know some guys need that rule in place but I'm not some dummy out there that's cussing out refs about how incompetent they are.
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Post by tothehouse on Apr 8, 2014 11:44:52 GMT -6
What are the HC's consequences for the assistants who talk to the officials? I hear you guys say your HC has a rule. Does he enforce something upon if you can't keep your yapper shut?
This is coming from an assistant (DC) who struggles with staying quiet...but can overcome these struggles.
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Post by newhope on Apr 10, 2014 10:58:56 GMT -6
1. "Keep your mouth shut! Understand?"
2. "Go sit in the stands the rest of the game, you're hurting us"
3. "you're fired"
or to the one who got a flag one night: "get a second one and you're done--that's my job not yours"--he knew, he got quiet.
I've only had to go past step one on one occasion. I've never had to go to 3. Probably because they know and understand both 2 and 3 can happen and also because I hire staff who understand and follow the expectations of the head coach. If they don't understand that, I don't want them to start with. In the case of the young coach who lost his mind and got sent to the stands, I relented and let him back after he begged and apologized profusely--lesson learned. I had told him to be quiet, and then when I turned to take care of an injured player, he went after the official again--forcing me to come back and deal with him instead of the player.
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Post by fballcoachg on Apr 10, 2014 20:03:24 GMT -6
This is one thing I will never understand.
In what way does riding the officials help you? And where, as an assistant, do you believe it is your role to do it? I'm an assistant and the only thing I have ever done is asked a ref during a timeout about a specific call, moreso in a "What do I need to tell him" "Can you clear this up" kind of way. It's a calm conversation removed from the immediate rush of it all.
Seriously, not only is riding the officials counterproductive but it is annoying as all get out especially because usually that guy is the guy who thinks you are getting hosed on every play...he's the overzealous fan type and sets an example for the kids that it's the refs fault. Just not something I've ever understood, I understand that emotions run high but there are some guys who yell and complain just to complain and deserve to be bounced.
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Post by mariner42 on Apr 10, 2014 20:18:24 GMT -6
No. we don't have that regularly around here. But from some of the descriptions...I'd say those coaches need fired. I'm a OHSAA baseball/softball umpire...let a coach call me a MFer...seriously? It's like that? Get over yourself coach. Our HC was new this past year, he had a rule that no one talks to the officials except him. It was easy to understand why because apparently that had not been a rule in the past and several of our previous staff coaches struggled with that. I talked to the officials and the HC warned me several times about it, but I myself am an umpire, I am aware that they are doing the best they can and they call what they see and just because you see it doesn't mean they saw it, so I don't get on their butt about anything. If I talk to them it's small talk or a question pertaining to something I want to know. and what adult says they are going to burn down the school? Really? This is basically me. I ask for clarifications, I ask for the # of the penalized player, I make small talk and jokes, that's about it. Never had an HC who had issues with how I communicate with the refs. Back to the OP, I've only seen next game suspensions as a result of ejections. Beyond that, you just get fired, at least as far as I've seen. |
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Post by coachcb on Apr 13, 2014 7:33:31 GMT -6
It's pretty easy to keep your nose clean and avoid disciplinary action...
Seems to me like most of the coaches mentioned shouldn't just be suspended, they should be canned.
My only option for coaching this year was youth as I teach in a tiny rural school without a football program. I opted out because the league forced a guy on us that had been kicked out of the league for a year for grabbing a 10 year old's face mask and swearing at him.
Be a professional, keep yourself and your hands off of kids. It's just that simple.
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