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Post by kylem56 on Jul 17, 2007 13:08:38 GMT -6
This topic is more directed at the younger coaches, but I am sure some of you more experienced guys could probaly offer advice as well..
this will be my second year of coaching at the varsity level, I am a fairly young guy (21) so in reality I am not too much older than some of these boys,
What do you recommend as a young coach to get the most effort out of your players ? Meaning since I am closer to them in age, I do NOT want them to see me as a buddy. I have spent the off season realy demanding discipline and stressing the little details so they understand I mean buisness. I am knowledgable in what position I coach and take personal pride in trying to preparing my position players better than anyone else.
What are some of your experiences, mistakes, advice, solutions, you used/use as a young coach ?
thanks guys !
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Post by deaux68 on Jul 17, 2007 13:15:43 GMT -6
Speaking as a guy who started out young it just takes one thing that you don't really have......TIME.
After they get to know you and most importantly they can trust you then most will be great. Sometimes it's not bad to let the guard down a little. I was a hard ass early on (it's not really my personality) and I didn't talk to them about anything other than football. Ask about school, their family, find out what they like to do. There will be times when they ask you a personal question, don't feel bad to give an answer. If they see you as a person they can trust and that is working hard for them you can tell them to do just about anything.
Also, don't overcoach. I think early on I tried to coach every little thing. It's ok to be a stickler, but if they can play, let them play. For every piece of information a kid is processing during the play he loses a step.
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Post by coachkev21 on Jul 17, 2007 13:29:07 GMT -6
First off congratulations on becoming a varsity level coach at 21. I'm sure you'll have a great experience. Your approach of "not becoming buddies" with the players naturally makes sense and there should always be an amount of professionalism when coaching, however, be careful not to put up a wall between you and your players. By this I mean football is an emotional sport and you will see that there will be times that your personality and youth will be needed to comfort and motivate your kids when the situation calls for it. I guess what I'm trying to say is use your age to your advantage and be the coach that your personality lets you.
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Post by fbdoc on Jul 17, 2007 13:52:45 GMT -6
Don't be their "friend" - you are there to be their COACH! And, as deaux68 said, DON'T micro-coach! Encourage, teach, and encourage some more! Give them quick technique / hustle instructions to help them improve and hold them accountable as needed. Remeber the words of the Great Coach, "They won't care how much you know until they know how much you care!" Good Luck!
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Post by warrior53 on Jul 17, 2007 14:01:16 GMT -6
Don't try to be somebody you are not. Be yourself - sometimes it takes a while in coaching to figure out what that is. I see a ton of young guys try to pull off the tough guy act - if that is not you, don't do it. Kids can see through that bologna.
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Post by coachjaz on Jul 17, 2007 14:04:43 GMT -6
Set expectations for them, and always work towards achieving those expectations. I started coaching at 20. This is what I did.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Jul 17, 2007 14:11:09 GMT -6
I agree with the previous posts. Show them you are human and that you care about them.
When we take the guys to camp I take my Playstation 2 with me and whip their tails in NCAA Football. They talk about that tournament all year. I think some guys come up with the money to go to camp just so they can get in on the tournament. I get in the pool with them and wrestle around, they love it. When we get back home, the next week at football workouts they are talking about the things we did. Then when it's time to work, they know it's back to business.
If you can't joke around with them a little you're taking fun away from them and yourself. I always have to adjust how much I can play around with them while still maintaining a serious atmosphere, but the guys who I have the most fun with are the same guys who work the hardest for me.
I've been coaching since I was 18, I'm now 25, so I can really relate with the being close in age and having to work through that. My difference is that when I was 18 I was coaching no one older than 15 (middle school).
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Post by kylem56 on Jul 17, 2007 14:11:35 GMT -6
thanks for the replies thus far, all of you are realy making good points, I am sure I am not the only one who is being helped by this post
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Post by lukethadrifter on Jul 17, 2007 14:24:19 GMT -6
Three BIG things - 1) When you have them in individual period, don't waste any time. A lot of young coaches will spend half their time during individual talking, etc..., while the kids are standing there doing nothing. Have your drills set up to where you get as many reps as possible with all of them, and don't have a drill that lasts too long, because then you begin to lose their interest. Get the reps you need quickly in that drill so you can move on to another drill, and when you have to coach them up on something, keep it short and to the point. Some guys I have been around like to hear themselves talk so much that they never actually get much coaching done. - 2) Never assume that the kids you coach have their techniques, rules, etc... down after you have taught them these things and worked on them for a while. Repeat yourself over and over to reinforce the main points that you stress. Repetition is the key to success, not only in the drills that you do, but in your coaching points. 3) Focus on fundamentals and keep the # of drills you use to a minimum. Fundamentals are the still the cornerstone of this game, no matter what offense or defense you run. Hammer those fundamentals into them and never get away from working them, even late in the season. And don't try to do so many drills that you never get enough reps at the main ones to be great. That's my 2 cents from trial and error when I was younger, and from watching a lot of "pups" just getting started over the years. Luke
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Post by kylem56 on Jul 17, 2007 14:33:23 GMT -6
luke , point #2 is definently something I have noticed I need to work on
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Post by coacher on Jul 17, 2007 14:46:06 GMT -6
As the saying goes, nobody cares about how much you know until you show them how much you care. Teach life lessons. That's what HS football is all about. You may not see the benifits now but later down the road those kids will thank you for it.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Jul 17, 2007 14:46:58 GMT -6
luke , point #2 is definently something I have noticed I need to work on That's something most all of us could use some work on.
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Post by bighit65 on Jul 17, 2007 15:24:21 GMT -6
I am also a younger coach. I am 26. The kids know that when they are with me it is time to work. But if there are dillemas such as being broken hearted over a girl or grades or anything else they know that they can talk to me about it. There is a fine line between being friends and being a coach they know they can come to with things other than football. It is up to you to walk that line. After all we are not just building football players. We are building men.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jul 17, 2007 19:35:41 GMT -6
After they get to know you and most importantly they can trust you then most will be great. Sometimes it's not bad to let the guard down a little. I was a hard {censored} early on (it's not really my personality) and I didn't talk to them about anything other than football. Ask about school, their family, find out what they like to do. There will be times when they ask you a personal question, don't feel bad to give an answer. If they see you as a person they can trust and that is working hard for them you can tell them to do just about anything.
Don't try to be somebody you are not. Be yourself - sometimes it takes a while in coaching to figure out what that is. I see a ton of young guys try to pull off the tough guy act - if that is not you, don't do it. Kids can see through that bologna.
I wish someone had told me that as a young coach. I had to make that mistake myself... and learn from it. Looking back, that was probably my biggest obstacle (that and over-coaching and assuming they knew football).
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Post by dblwngr on Jul 18, 2007 10:37:44 GMT -6
Just to add to the rest of these great posts.
Take advantage of your youthfull energy. Be excited when they achieve a goal, let em know about it. If they do something wrong in practice let them know about that as well, but back it up with something they did good at the same time. Exp- " You took a great angle and made a great hit, but next time try to keep your feet moving on contact so you can redirect the ball carrier"
Let them know your as happy to be there coaching as they are to be there playing. Everything else will fall into place with time.
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Post by fbcoach33 on Jul 18, 2007 12:34:25 GMT -6
Know what your doing, sounds obvious but you will lose kids right off the bat if you dont know some good concrete things about the position you coach. Once you cross the practice field line if you will you must establish that its all bussiness, Ive watched a few to many young coaches get caught into the trap of joking or talking with the kids during practice thinking the kids like them, but all the kids were doing was finding a way to kill time so they didnt have to work. And be honest, if they ask you something about coaching that you dont know, dont lie or make something up, say something like lets confer with the head coach so we get it right the first time, they will respect you for not putting them in a position to fail in front of the head coach and in reality its your fault. just a couple of thoughts, and one last note, Ive found after a day or so, kids dont really care how old you are as a coach, they will rise or fall to the level that you are as a coach and person, be a great leader by example, and they will follow you.
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Post by kylem56 on Jul 18, 2007 18:35:11 GMT -6
thanks coaches this is great stuff
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Post by mountiefan74 on Jul 18, 2007 21:44:09 GMT -6
Be your personality. I try to have fun with them. Sometimes, it doesn't hurt to start an indy period with a joke or a funny story. Always end your practice walking off the field with one of your players that you coach directly. Take that time to ask about the day, family life, girlfriend, etc. Generally make this one someone who has caught your eye either over or underachieving. Build a routine! Kids gain confidence in a routine. I started coaching at 19 at jr. high and moved up to varsity at 20, then small college at 21. Remember, it's not important at all that the kids like you, but it is important that they know you want the best for them.
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Post by phantom on Jul 19, 2007 4:23:43 GMT -6
Don't worry about boring them. Technique is all about repition. Find the drills that you need and do them every day. If you don't get bored, they won't get bored.
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Post by coachbw on Jul 19, 2007 7:11:12 GMT -6
I was a varsity coach at 18 and at 24 now, still face issues with this on occasion. I think that the best thing you can do is align yourself with the rest of the coaching staff. That will help the kids to see a clear cut line between you in a position of authority and them as high schoolers.
Also, this one may or may not be an issue (depending on if you are coaching in the town you grew up in, town size, etc.) but make sure that as few details as possible about your personal life leak back to the kids. If the kids are at home hearing about what you did at the bar or who you are dating from their older siblings, it will immediately put you back down on their level.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jul 19, 2007 7:24:27 GMT -6
A lot of young coaches will spend half their time during individual talking, etc..., while the kids are standing there doing nothing. Have your drills set up to where you get as many reps as possible with all of them, and don't have a drill that lasts too long, because then you begin to lose their interest. Get the reps you need quickly in that drill so you can move on to another drill, and when you have to coach them up on something, keep it short and to the point. Some guys I have been around like to hear themselves talk so much that they never actually get much coaching done. Excellent advice Luke Talking is done in pre-practice or in the classroom/meetings Indy should be rapid fire and players should dread individual period due to the lack of down time. I used to hate indy and couldn't wait for team period because I had a great O-line coach that worked our balls off.
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Post by nexthc on Jul 19, 2007 18:44:06 GMT -6
Don't be their friend. They have friends. They need coaches. Coaches that will help them go from being a young boy to a young man.
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Post by coachjim on Jul 21, 2007 21:21:08 GMT -6
If you are close to their ages, be the mature one. Besides being their coach, you need something that differentiates you from them. Usually, that just calls for maturity.
Also, i've heard new and younger bosses, throughout my life after being elevated to a supervisory position make the comments, "I can't be your friend," or "I can no longer be your friend." This is a mistake I made when I was even younger than you are.
It's not that simple and I think, damaging to your relationship with them if they already see you as one. I like the advice of just being yourself. If at 21 you are at varsity level, your experience in coaching is what they will come to respect. That and results.
1. Coach 2. Expert 3. Friend? Even if you can't be... I wouldn't tell them that. It just sounds like something a young coach would say. A mature coach, would just go out there and show them how to play football and let the rest fall in place.
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Post by hemlock on Jul 22, 2007 3:41:11 GMT -6
Don't overcoach your kids. My first high school job came after I had already coached DIA as a GA. I was delusional in terms of what my expectations were of my players and other coaches. Sure I new a lot more football than those around me, but I had forgotten that all the X's and O's don't amount to a hill of beans when neither your assistants, nor players had the time or the means to absorb everything you wanted to teach. I became a much better coach after my first year in high school, especially since I was at an inner city school with little football tradition.
One thing I learned about coaching high school ball. In most non-southern states where the game is unfortunately not as much a part of the culture, your assistant coaches are often only one half step ahead of the players. If your assistants can't master what you want to implement than that is a good indicator that your kids won't either.
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Post by schultbear74 on Jul 22, 2007 6:44:45 GMT -6
There are a few northern states that have a great football tradition, by the way, but Hemlock's points are well taken. When you step into a new environment you have to adapt to it as it is adapting to you. Hopefully, both you and the place where you are coaching will become better for it.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Jul 22, 2007 10:30:01 GMT -6
1. Coach 2. Expert 3. Friend? Even if you can't be... I wouldn't tell them that. That sums up how I feel about it. You tell a kid "I can't be your friend" he thinks "coach doesn't like me," or "coach so-and-so is a jerk." I wouldn't accompany them to the teeny club, but don't alienate them either.
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