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Post by carookie on Mar 18, 2014 19:33:40 GMT -6
So HS football is a year round thing, heck has been since I was playing. But we now have kids going to passing tournaments year round, spending 2 hrs a day 6 days a week speed/wt training, and we're moving to 3 weeks of spring ball (from 5:30-7:30) so track kids can make it.
I know we all want to be proactive, and feel the need to DO more stuff in an effort to improve. But has anyone here made a conscience effort to do less in some aspects? And if so do you think it helped?
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Post by kcbazooka on Mar 18, 2014 19:44:56 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 19:53:04 GMT -6
I've only worked in the Midwest, so I've never had spring ball but I really don't see the need at the high school level. I'm glad we don't have it here in Iowa. My only experience with a "less is more" approach involves Saturday practices. Every program I've been at that hasn't had Saturday practice has had a higher morale and the players and coaches are more energized when Monday rolls around. I understand that because of JV or freshmen games, Saturdays off aren't an option for everyone, though.
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Post by fantom on Mar 18, 2014 20:27:49 GMT -6
So HS football is a year round thing, heck has been since I was playing. But we now have kids going to passing tournaments year round, spending 2 hrs a day 6 days a week speed/wt training, and we're moving to 3 weeks of spring ball (from 5:30-7:30) so track kids can make it. I know we all want to be proactive, and feel the need to DO more stuff in an effort to improve. But has anyone here made a conscience effort to do less in some aspects? And if so do you think it helped? We don't have spring ball per se in Virginia but we are allowed to work out for most of the year. With the exception of several dead periods we're able to do football-specific work with the following restrictions: 1. Can't be mandatory. 2. No pads or contact. This is what we do in the offseason: 1. November-March: Lift three times a week for 2 hours each day. 2. March-May: Same as above but we add agilities/plyos and some football work (mostky throwing). Add another half hour. We may do one or two informal 7 on 7s with another team on a Saturday (linemen stay in bed). 3. Late May: Two week minicamp (Install offense and defense). Four days a week for two weeks. 4. June-July: Continue workouts three times a week 6-8:30 PM. Usually we'll attend one or two 7 on 7 tournaments during the summer. In-season we do not normally practice on Saturday.
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 19, 2014 5:16:53 GMT -6
When its no longer fun for the coaches, we know darn well its no longer fun for the kids.
Its got to be fun. I realize that's not something most coaches say- winning is fun. Preparation is work, no matter what spin the Seattle Seahawks put on it, prep is work, its still something that can be enjoyable. When it starts to make kids drop out and do other things, you are doing too much.
Sometimes, at least at the small school level, less is more because more kids, AND THEIR ATHLETIC FRIENDS come out to play the game. Maybe at a big school its not the same.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 19, 2014 6:27:08 GMT -6
I guess we are lucky that in the summer, and spring if you want to according to the rules in PA, we can work out in helmets and shoulder pads. So we do 3 nights a week starting in July to get ready for the official start day (we run it just like practice with insert/indy/team/7-7). That's all we do outside of lifting. No passing leagues, no team camps, no this camp, that camp, no all day passing tournament where your ready to kill yourself by game 4 cause everyone keeps running their fb on go routes from his backfield spot through the area where the ol would be or whatever. Three nights a week starting in July is all we ask, if we do a 7-7 then it's on a night we have a work out.
If your doing stuff just because ______ school is and so is _______ school then it's probably too much.
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Post by hwkfn1 on Mar 19, 2014 6:44:15 GMT -6
We play a team that does many activities year round. They always dominate during the regular season, but have not gotten past the 2nd round of the playoffs in years. We speculate that the kids get burned out at the end. There needs to be some balance. and letting kids be kids, especially during the summer.
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Post by blb on Mar 19, 2014 6:48:06 GMT -6
Too many HS coaches are like Weight Lifters (if five sets are good, ten would be great!) - too much zeal, get carried away.
If working out in Summer is good, then whole Off Season would be great!
If three days a week is good, four (or five) would be great!
Etc.
I don't care what other coaches-schools are doing. I'm going to what's best for the kids-coaches I'm in charge of.
We are going to let kids have time to be kids.
We are going to be courteous to in-season coaches.
We are going to be cognizant of time demands on coaches.
We will still be able to do what is necessary to maximize our potential to be competitive.
That's my philosophy. And we've managed to win our share of games and trophies.
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Post by lochness on Mar 19, 2014 6:55:45 GMT -6
I'm a firm believer that kids need to be kids. And make no mistake, the guys we coach are kids, even though they are in high school. I want my guys to enjoy their summers, play outside, and spend time with their families and friends. They never get to be kids again and this time is precious. You start dipping into that time, and you're not only taking something away from them, but you're also likely to lose some of them.
No spring ball where I am, and I'm perfectly fine with that. We can start working (coaching) on stuff with kids at the start of spring sports, but nothing mandatory.
-We lift three days per week during the winter and spring. Weight room is open 4 days. They choose which 3 work best. -In late spring, we add a QB workout (mechanics and throwing) each week, about 90 mins -in late spring, we add a lineman meeting (stance, starts, techniques/footwork, rules) each week about 60 mins -In mid-June, we do a week-long Skills Camp with 3-4 other area schools. Like 6-8:30pm M-F. Includes O and D skills, competition periods and 7v7 every night. -in the summer we add an agility / conditioning hour to our three lifting days. Usually get very good attendance. -We attend one 7v7 session with three other local schools once per week, about 2 hours per night. It is instructional, not competitive / tourney style. -We conduct a 3-day mini camp for installation 5-8pm in late July. Mix of classroom time and field time. No helmets or shoulder pads.
To me, that seems like a lot now that I've written it out, but I'd say around here it's pretty standard. We're probably right down the middle in terms of what we have available for activities.
We also do not do Saturday mornings for practices. Used to do them, then stopped. I saw absolutely no drop off or change in our performance as a result, so we will not do that. Helps coaches and players recover from Friday and maintain a sense of balance. We're also not one of these staffs who believes you need to meet for 16 hours over the weekend to be a well-coached team. That kind of stuff is just inefficiency intersecting with insecurity. Figure out how to get your stuff done quicker and more efficiently and don't tie your staff up all day watching every frame of film you have and drawing up every single play the other team has ever ran. It's not really going to help your team win.
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Post by jsk002 on Mar 19, 2014 7:18:42 GMT -6
I am a less is more type of guy. In Wisconsin we don't have spring ball & we only have 5 days in the summer where we can coach up our kids in football related activities.
In the winter, we have a 4 day program for those who do not play other sports. Those who play other sports, we like to see them in as much as possible, but to be honest, our Bball and Wrestling programs do a good job of in season lifting. We actually encourage kids to participate in those sports. We don't have an active spring program. I and one of my assistant coaches are both track coaches. So we tell our guys, that if they want to get better come run track. We will lift 2 to 3 times a week during track.
In the summer we have morning lifting for 1.5 to 2 hours 4 days a week, 5 summer practices and we will do Wednesday night 7 on 7's. I am not allowed to coach the kids up on these, so we basically sit in the stands and watch them compete with other local schools.
In season, we don't really do anything on Friday with the kids and If I meet with coaches it will be for only a couple of hours.
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Post by blb on Mar 19, 2014 7:36:25 GMT -6
I was on our state Football Coaches' Association's Board of Directors from 1986-94.
At that time one of our big things was b!tching that basketball and baseball could basically do whatever they wanted in the Summer (mostly due to AAU, American Legion, Summer Rec programs) but Football was highly regulated - couldn't do much more than lifting-conditioning.
Now that we can do camps, 7-on-7s, and more - plus a lot of schools have some things going on during school year - I hear coaches universally complain about kids not being "committed" because they aren't at every Football activity we schedule from end of one season to start of next, and how can we win if they aren't? What DO we DO?
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Post by mattharris75 on Mar 19, 2014 7:52:15 GMT -6
We tried to get rid of our in-season Saturday morning practices (really primarily film session and recovery workout) a couple of years ago. The kids about rioted. They felt that it was important for their success. So be it...
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Post by 2adaysfootballcom on Mar 19, 2014 7:59:56 GMT -6
We feel that every group is different!! We do more when we can but if the kids are not responding we tone it down.
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Post by lochness on Mar 19, 2014 8:35:30 GMT -6
I was on our state Football Coaches' Association's Board of Directors from 1986-94.
At that time one of our big things was b!tching that basketball and baseball could basically do whatever they wanted in the Summer (mostly due to AAU, American Legion, Summer Rec programs) but Football was highly regulated - couldn't do much more than lifting-conditioning.
Now that we can do camps, 7-on-7s, and more - plus a lot of schools have some things going on during school year - I hear coaches universally complain about kids not being "committed" because they aren't at every Football activity we schedule from end of one season to start of next, and how can we win if they aren't? What DO we DO? Hard to tell a kid to choose between playing summer lacrosse or baseball and coming in to the hot sweaty gym to lift or go to some "skill camp." It's not hard to figure out why kids don't get to ramped up about the football workouts when they have these other (more fun) options.
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Post by blb on Mar 19, 2014 8:41:39 GMT -6
I was on our state Football Coaches' Association's Board of Directors from 1986-94.
At that time one of our big things was b!tching that basketball and baseball could basically do whatever they wanted in the Summer (mostly due to AAU, American Legion, Summer Rec programs) but Football was highly regulated - couldn't do much more than lifting-conditioning.
Now that we can do camps, 7-on-7s, and more - plus a lot of schools have some things going on during school year - I hear coaches universally complain about kids not being "committed" because they aren't at every Football activity we schedule from end of one season to start of next, and how can we win if they aren't? What DO we DO? Hard to tell a kid to choose between playing summer lacrosse or baseball and coming in to the hot sweaty gym to lift or go to some "skill camp." It's not hard to figure out why kids don't get to ramped up about the football workouts when they have these other (more fun) options.
True dat.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 19, 2014 10:12:11 GMT -6
So HS football is a year round thing, heck has been since I was playing. But we now have kids going to passing tournaments year round, spending 2 hrs a day 6 days a week speed/wt training, and we're moving to 3 weeks of spring ball (from 5:30-7:30) so track kids can make it. I know we all want to be proactive, and feel the need to DO more stuff in an effort to improve. But has anyone here made a conscience effort to do less in some aspects? And if so do you think it helped? Huge believer in less is more. We have done spring training for about 8 days the last three years when we could have done more. No 7 on 7's. I repeat, not one 7 on 7 in three years. We threw for 20 first half TD's in 2012. We lift only two days a week. We will warmup and do abs. We only do 6 sets lifting TOTAL while in there. 2 bench, 2 squats, 1 row, 1 press or 2 pad bench, 2 cleans. 1 pullup, 1 SLDL. We will warmup and do abs. Total takes 30-35 minutes. Kids can do extra when done. We will also plyo, agility, speed train for two days. Takes 45 minutes max. In the summer, we only go 2 days a week period. We lift and do plyo, agility, speed train, and football skills all on the same day. Three sport athletes in summer: Tuesday and Thursday: 8 bball skills, 9-10:30 lift & speed, 10:30-11:30 football, 11:30-12 baseball skills. No minimum to make. If you are in town, you show up. If you are out of town, just let coach know. Most will make up when they miss, but they don't have to. Basketball will do some summer play days and a summer 2-3 day camp. Many baseball players play Post ball. Football - nothing extra. During the season we roughly practice Mon 3:15-5:30, Tue 3:15-6, Wed 3:15-5:30, Thu 3:15-4:30. We do meet on Saturday morning to recheck for injuries, loosen up, feed breakfast, watch film, and cut down on after game Friday night partying. Usually 9-10:15. This is an extra day, but also saves an hour on Monday since film is done. The caveat to all this is that we we work out all year twice a week in-season and off-season. We work out during Christmas, during Spring break, all year. Same rules apply as summer, if you are in town, you show up. If you are out of town, just let coach know. Most will make up when they miss, but they don't have to.
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Post by spartan on Mar 19, 2014 10:24:45 GMT -6
So HS football is a year round thing, heck has been since I was playing. But we now have kids going to passing tournaments year round, spending 2 hrs a day 6 days a week speed/wt training, and we're moving to 3 weeks of spring ball (from 5:30-7:30) so track kids can make it. I know we all want to be proactive, and feel the need to DO more stuff in an effort to improve. But has anyone here made a conscience effort to do less in some aspects? And if so do you think it helped? Heretic
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 19, 2014 11:03:39 GMT -6
If your doing stuff just because ______ school is and so is _______ school then it's probably too much. Exactly. I've cut down on the things we do every year I've been a HC here (4 going on 5 years). My first year we played 6 7on7s, had two 5 day camps, lifted three days a week, tried to get kids to go to skills camps at different places, basically all that crap you hear at clinics about how blah blah blah does it. Last year we did 3 7on7s- no tournaments, no paying to play in them, just informal no score kept 7on7s with area coaching friends. This year we'll probably do two. 5 days total of camp and lifting Monday, Wed and Thursday. Nothing on any weekend. We never practice on Saturdays. If we play a Saturday game, we give them Mondays off too. We only practice 2 hours. Can't get it done in two hours, it isn't happening. I find that we're mentally fresher later in the season because of it. I took a lot of static my first year because "I didn't care enough" because we didn't have Saturday practices or we didn't watch enough film or we didn't play enough 7on7s or because I didn't practice them for 8 hours straight during two a days. The previous staff had 4 hour long Saturday practices, watched film 2-3 times a week after practice, played about 10 7on7s and had two a day practices longer than school days. Over time though the kids bought in. Numbers had slowly dwindled to 20 the year before I got here. My first year we had 28, 27 my second year, 40 my third and 45 last year. As kids have bought in the wins have come as well. 4 in year 1, 6 in year 2, 10 in year 3 and 11 last year. We haven't lost a regular season game since Week 3 of 2011. We have had some really good talent, but I also think that talent is excited to be there. We practice much harder than some of the teams in our area (according to media people that come to our practices) but our kids don't mind them because we give them time away. They want to practice hard because they're not tired from all the stupid extra crap some staffs put on kids. Less is definitely more in my book.
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Post by lochness on Mar 19, 2014 11:37:44 GMT -6
If your doing stuff just because ______ school is and so is _______ school then it's probably too much. Exactly. I've cut down on the things we do every year I've been a HC here (4 going on 5 years). My first year we played 6 7on7s, had two 5 day camps, lifted three days a week, tried to get kids to go to skills camps at different places, basically all that crap you hear at clinics about how blah blah blah does it. Last year we did 3 7on7s- no tournaments, no paying to play in them, just informal no score kept 7on7s with area coaching friends. This year we'll probably do two. 5 days total of camp and lifting Monday, Wed and Thursday. Nothing on any weekend. We never practice on Saturdays. If we play a Saturday game, we give them Mondays off too. We only practice 2 hours. Can't get it done in two hours, it isn't happening. I find that we're mentally fresher later in the season because of it. I took a lot of static my first year because "I didn't care enough" because we didn't have Saturday practices or we didn't watch enough film or we didn't play enough 7on7s or because I didn't practice them for 8 hours straight during two a days. The previous staff had 4 hour long Saturday practices, watched film 2-3 times a week after practice, played about 10 7on7s and had two a day practices longer than school days. Over time though the kids bought in. Numbers had slowly dwindled to 20 the year before I got here. My first year we had 28, 27 my second year, 40 my third and 45 last year. As kids have bought in the wins have come as well. 4 in year 1, 6 in year 2, 10 in year 3 and 11 last year. We haven't lost a regular season game since Week 3 of 2011. We have had some really good talent, but I also think that talent is excited to be there. We practice much harder than some of the teams in our area (according to media people that come to our practices) but our kids don't mind them because we give them time away. They want to practice hard because they're not tired from all the stupid extra crap some staffs put on kids. Less is definitely more in my book. Well said.
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Post by blb on Mar 19, 2014 12:35:48 GMT -6
If your doing stuff just because ______ school is and so is _______ school then it's probably too much. Exactly. I've cut down on the things we do every year I've been a HC here (4 going on 5 years). My first year we played 6 7on7s, had two 5 day camps, lifted three days a week, tried to get kids to go to skills camps at different places, basically all that crap you hear at clinics about how blah blah blah does it. Last year we did 3 7on7s- no tournaments, no paying to play in them, just informal no score kept 7on7s with area coaching friends. This year we'll probably do two. 5 days total of camp and lifting Monday, Wed and Thursday. Nothing on any weekend. We never practice on Saturdays. If we play a Saturday game, we give them Mondays off too. We only practice 2 hours. Can't get it done in two hours, it isn't happening. I find that we're mentally fresher later in the season because of it. I took a lot of static my first year because "I didn't care enough" because we didn't have Saturday practices or we didn't watch enough film or we didn't play enough 7on7s or because I didn't practice them for 8 hours straight during two a days. The previous staff had 4 hour long Saturday practices, watched film 2-3 times a week after practice, played about 10 7on7s and had two a day practices longer than school days. Over time though the kids bought in. Numbers had slowly dwindled to 20 the year before I got here. My first year we had 28, 27 my second year, 40 my third and 45 last year. As kids have bought in the wins have come as well. 4 in year 1, 6 in year 2, 10 in year 3 and 11 last year. We haven't lost a regular season game since Week 3 of 2011. We have had some really good talent, but I also think that talent is excited to be there. We practice much harder than some of the teams in our area (according to media people that come to our practices) but our kids don't mind them because we give them time away. They want to practice hard because they're not tired from all the stupid extra crap some staffs put on kids. Less is definitely more in my book.
Mr. Howard, what is your Two-a-day schedule? How many days? Any Saturday(s) then?
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Post by fantom on Mar 19, 2014 12:45:08 GMT -6
So HS football is a year round thing, heck has been since I was playing. But we now have kids going to passing tournaments year round, spending 2 hrs a day 6 days a week speed/wt training, and we're moving to 3 weeks of spring ball (from 5:30-7:30) so track kids can make it. I know we all want to be proactive, and feel the need to DO more stuff in an effort to improve. But has anyone here made a conscience effort to do less in some aspects? And if so do you think it helped? We don't have spring ball per se in Virginia but we are allowed to work out for most of the year. With the exception of several dead periods we're able to do football-specific work with the following restrictions: 1. Can't be mandatory. 2. No pads or contact. This is what we do in the offseason: 1. November-March: Lift three times a week for 2 hours each day. 2. March-May: Same as above but we add agilities/plyos and some football work (mostky throwing). Add another half hour. We may do one or two informal 7 on 7s with another team on a Saturday (linemen stay in bed). 3. Late May: Two week minicamp (Install offense and defense). Four days a week for two weeks. 4. June-July: Continue workouts three times a week 6-8:30 PM. Usually we'll attend one or two 7 on 7 tournaments during the summer. In-season we do not normally practice on Saturday. Here are some things that we do NOT do: 1. Worry about kids who play winter or spring sports. They practice and play their sport. 2. 6 AM workouts. Nobody on staff is even slightly interested in that. 3. Regular, competitive 7 on 7's. No passing leagues for us. We'll have a couple informal 7 on 7s with another team that wants to do it the same way that we do- as a practice, teaching situation. Linemen can come if they want to but we don't care if they come. 4. Cut players for the offseason (other than academic, behavioral issues). 5. Athletic period or football S&C classes. Even if the school district allowed it- and that won't be happening any time soon- who'd teach them? Our HC is the only guy on the staff that teaches in the building and he teaches math. 6. Bring the players in on weekends in-season. It's illegal to bring them in on Sunday. We've thought about bringing them in on Saturday to watch film but don't want to watch it with them before we watch as a staff. 7. Work out during Christmas or spring break. If there's a coach available he might open the weight room on a voluntary basis. Otherwise the kids and coaches get a break. I agree with those who say that a lot of what we do is mainly to give us coaches a football fix. We get jittery thinking that somebody is "outworking" us and we mistake activity for achievement.
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Post by brophy on Mar 19, 2014 13:26:28 GMT -6
spring ball isn't necessary and IMO it almost gets in the way of building a program. That being said, I'd be interested in what "doing less" entails because if you're a coach, when are you really taking off? What off season week are you not at weights or around the kids in some capacity (not the classroom) building toward the Fall?
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Post by lochness on Mar 19, 2014 13:37:13 GMT -6
spring ball isn't necessary and IMO it almost gets in the way of building a program. That being said, I'd be interested in what "doing less" entails because if you're a coach, when are you really taking off? What off season week are you not at weights or around the kids in some capacity (not the classroom) building toward the Fall? To be clear with our words, and to satisfy the question, maybe it's more more accurate as "Asking Less."
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 19, 2014 14:05:25 GMT -6
Mr. Howard, what is your Two-a-day schedule? How many days? Any Saturday(s) then?
Before the state mandated our practice schedules it was 7-11:30. 7-9, take a 45 min to an hour break/watch film chalk talk stuff- give kids a rest, 10-1130. Usually 5 days of that schedule. We did practice Saturday during that time. It was usually our only Saturday practice of the year. We called it Christmas because it was the first day of full pads. Really was just two hours of beating the hell out of each other. Kids loved it. Now, with time restrictions put on by the state we go 7-10 straight practice with maybe a 15 min break after 2 hours, last 45 mins are specialties. 10-11 we chalk talk. State only allows 3 hours of practice total. We coop 3 schools, so bringing kids in later in the day isn't really an option. Still only practice one Saturday. I forgot about Christmas because no one really notices it's Saturday. They're just happy they don't have to practice in helmet and shorts anymore. I like it because I get to unwrap my presents and see what I have.
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Post by tog on Mar 19, 2014 19:33:53 GMT -6
larry, here is where we agree a lot, the kids need to get after it as much as possible, but at some point it gets just flat out ridiculous
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Post by NC1974 on Mar 19, 2014 20:15:26 GMT -6
So HS football is a year round thing, heck has been since I was playing. But we now have kids going to passing tournaments year round, spending 2 hrs a day 6 days a week speed/wt training, and we're moving to 3 weeks of spring ball (from 5:30-7:30) so track kids can make it. I know we all want to be proactive, and feel the need to DO more stuff in an effort to improve. But has anyone here made a conscience effort to do less in some aspects? And if so do you think it helped? Huge believer in less is more. We have done spring training for about 8 days the last three years when we could have done more. No 7 on 7's. I repeat, not one 7 on 7 in three years. We threw for 20 first half TD's in 2012. We lift only two days a week. We will warmup and do abs. We only do 6 sets lifting TOTAL while in there. 2 bench, 2 squats, 1 row, 1 press or 2 pad bench, 2 cleans. 1 pullup, 1 SLDL. We will warmup and do abs. Total takes 30-35 minutes. Kids can do extra when done. We will also plyo, agility, speed train for two days. Takes 45 minutes max. In the summer, we only go 2 days a week period. We lift and do plyo, agility, speed train, and football skills all on the same day. Three sport athletes in summer: Tuesday and Thursday: 8 bball skills, 9-10:30 lift & speed, 10:30-11:30 football, 11:30-12 baseball skills. No minimum to make. If you are in town, you show up. If you are out of town, just let coach know. Most will make up when they miss, but they don't have to. Basketball will do some summer play days and a summer 2-3 day camp. Many baseball players play Post ball. Football - nothing extra. During the season we roughly practice Mon 3:15-5:30, Tue 3:15-6, Wed 3:15-5:30, Thu 3:15-4:30. We do meet on Saturday morning to recheck for injuries, loosen up, feed breakfast, watch film, and cut down on after game Friday night partying. Usually 9-10:15. This is an extra day, but also saves an hour on Monday since film is done. The caveat to all this is that we we work out all year twice a week in-season and off-season. We work out during Christmas, during Spring break, all year. Same rules apply as summer, if you are in town, you show up. If you are out of town, just let coach know. Most will make up when they miss, but they don't have to. Silky, I just want to get clarification on a couple of things. 1. You say you go two days a week in the summer. Is that all summer? I'm just curious. I know some states have maximum amount of days or certain times you can practice in the summer. 2. Are all of your sports programs doing the same lifting program? 3. This might be worthy of another thread, but I'd be interested in hearing more about your overall lifting program i.e. philosophy, cycles, etc. I feel like alot of us spend more time than necessary in the weightroom. The fact that you guys seem to get alot done with two days a week is intriguing to me. 2.
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Post by Underdeveloped on Mar 19, 2014 20:20:03 GMT -6
When I first got the head coaching job 6 years ago (it was my first head gig) I thought we had to do the 5 days a week in June and two a days and 6 am stuff and repeat it in July... Nonsense.
I believe we do this because we are unsure of what really needs to be done.
This past year I went 4 days a week in June and no 2 A Days.
Next year we are Monday Wednesday and Friday in June no 2 A Days and no 6 am nonsense.
Why??? Because I dread waking up early. If I do as an adult with this as my job, hobby, and passion all rolled into one then I can only imagine how billy bob feels...
In MO we are allowed 25 contact days in the summer not counting conditioning/weights. Last year we used 24. This year I have 19 scheduled. Why??? Because they forget half of it anyway at the dead week in August and we wind up re teaching it.
Fundamentals and basics. Fundamentals and basics. All summer is good for.
As for in season. I have stopped asking them to come in on Saturdays and watch film. Hard to truly ask our coaches to evaluate each player from the night before. So no film until Monday. If a coach wants more time with his group they can come in before school Monday.
Less does not mean less for the staff it means more efficiency for the staff. Better husbands and fathers are better coaches.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 19, 2014 20:52:07 GMT -6
Huge believer in less is more. We have done spring training for about 8 days the last three years when we could have done more. No 7 on 7's. I repeat, not one 7 on 7 in three years. We threw for 20 first half TD's in 2012. We lift only two days a week. We will warmup and do abs. We only do 6 sets lifting TOTAL while in there. 2 bench, 2 squats, 1 row, 1 press or 2 pad bench, 2 cleans. 1 pullup, 1 SLDL. We will warmup and do abs. Total takes 30-35 minutes. Kids can do extra when done. We will also plyo, agility, speed train for two days. Takes 45 minutes max. In the summer, we only go 2 days a week period. We lift and do plyo, agility, speed train, and football skills all on the same day. Three sport athletes in summer: Tuesday and Thursday: 8 bball skills, 9-10:30 lift & speed, 10:30-11:30 football, 11:30-12 baseball skills. No minimum to make. If you are in town, you show up. If you are out of town, just let coach know. Most will make up when they miss, but they don't have to. Basketball will do some summer play days and a summer 2-3 day camp. Many baseball players play Post ball. Football - nothing extra. During the season we roughly practice Mon 3:15-5:30, Tue 3:15-6, Wed 3:15-5:30, Thu 3:15-4:30. We do meet on Saturday morning to recheck for injuries, loosen up, feed breakfast, watch film, and cut down on after game Friday night partying. Usually 9-10:15. This is an extra day, but also saves an hour on Monday since film is done. The caveat to all this is that we we work out all year twice a week in-season and off-season. We work out during Christmas, during Spring break, all year. Same rules apply as summer, if you are in town, you show up. If you are out of town, just let coach know. Most will make up when they miss, but they don't have to. Silky, I just want to get clarification on a couple of things. 1. You say you go two days a week in the summer. Is that all summer? I'm just curious. I know some states have maximum amount of days or certain times you can practice in the summer. 2. Are all of your sports programs doing the same lifting program? 3. This might be worthy of another thread, but I'd be interested in hearing more about your overall lifting program i.e. philosophy, cycles, etc. I feel like alot of us spend more time than necessary in the weightroom. The fact that you guys seem to get alot done with two days a week is intriguing to me. 2. 1. All summer from end of school to start of 2-a-days. We only go one day during the week of July 4th. We have no maximums by our state. We could go every day if we wanted. We also do our 2-a-days from 8am-noon. We go 8-9:30 and then take a 30 minute break inside in the AC and hydrate and eat fruit and trail mix bars or whatever. Then finish from 10-12. Kids love it because we aren't getting up ridiculously early and they have their afternoon off. They also hydrate better, eat better, rest better, and perform better during 2-a-days. 2. Yes - this is our key. We all lift hard, all year. 3. Send me a pm with your email and I will send you or anyone something on our weight program.
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osceola
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Post by osceola on Mar 20, 2014 9:58:36 GMT -6
Denton Guyer, current back to back state champs in 4a in Texas....posted a pic on twitter during springbreak....they had about 60kids show up everyday of spring break for workouts.
The more you put in the more you get out of it. You can lift weights, work hard, and still have time to be a kid.
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Post by fantom on Mar 20, 2014 10:01:02 GMT -6
Denton Guyer, current back to back state champs in 4a in Texas....posted a pic on twitter during springbreak....they had about 60kids show up everyday of spring break for workouts. The more you put in the more you get out of it. You can lift weights, work hard, and still have time to be a kid. Let's not assume that because one successful coach does it that way means that that's the only way, or even the best way, to do it.
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