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Post by midlinemoney on Nov 28, 2007 7:47:33 GMT -6
what are the top five most important things to run a great spread?
example- 1. good qb 2. good routes 3. 4. 5.
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Post by realdawg on Nov 28, 2007 8:17:01 GMT -6
Good OL
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Post by leighty on Nov 28, 2007 9:11:08 GMT -6
An insane amount of reps...
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Post by coachg on Nov 28, 2007 10:01:03 GMT -6
You Must run Screens
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Post by coachg on Nov 28, 2007 10:03:30 GMT -6
I think you can get away with a sub par OL if you have a QB qho gets rid of the ball. I know we have had some OL over the years that has not been great. But we were able to get by with them because we had a QB who was a pretty good player
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Post by brophy on Nov 28, 2007 10:11:07 GMT -6
I'm still learning and need more help. But my experience says
1) a competent, athletic center (often overlooked ) ...the rest of the OL can suck
2) a good decision-making LEADER at QB, being athletic is an insane bonus
3) be able to beat the blitz with screens, formationing, tempo, and cadence.
4) a way to get your concepts across to the players so they know what each play is trying to accomplish (not just running routes)
5) a commitment to it (not freaking out in short-yardage or going back to "comfort concepts" of the I or bone when you lose patience)
"spread" is more of a philosophy than a specific offense.
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Post by leighty on Nov 28, 2007 10:25:47 GMT -6
The Tim Tebow package down on the goal line.
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Post by tedseay on Nov 28, 2007 10:28:24 GMT -6
Coach: I would even generalize that slightly to "you must throw uncovered"...
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Post by toprowguy on Nov 28, 2007 10:47:02 GMT -6
1. An athletic QB who can make decisions makes the whole offense work.
2. A natural cut back runner.
3. AN OL that can move and understand zone blocking
4. Blocking WR
This would be for a WVU style Spread Offense
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Post by CVBears on Nov 28, 2007 12:16:19 GMT -6
Personally, I think the #1 most important thing to run a great spread is A COACH that completely understands what is going on #2 assistants that can teach their piece of the puzzle #3 time to rep "what you do" (whether it be option, air raid concepts, etc.)
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Post by airman on Nov 28, 2007 15:51:23 GMT -6
a firm grasp of the offense and teaching concepts by all the coaching staff. the wr coach must understand the online in pass protection to design routes which are able to be successful in protection.
I see guys running routes in practice that are way to long for the amount of time needed to protect the qb.
find a college coach who runs the spread and pester the heck out of him. you cannot learn the spread very well by looking at videos. the can help but you really need time.
if you are allowed say a team camp time fund raise for a college coach to come in a work with your players. as much as I hate to advertise for him, tony franklin seems to have a solid program for introducing his style of spead offense to h.s. coaches.
way too many coaches want to run the spread and the minute things go wrong they are back to the old offense they ran. you must be like a terriost willing to achieve your mission no matter what the odd.
Usually guys who want to go to the spread want it for a changeup to build a program which is not winning. the good only wing t or I formation is not working anymore. I tell them you are going to lose some games the first year. every time you change a offense or defense your upper classman become freshman all over again. to really build a program it is going to take 3 years. when your first years freshman beccome jrs or srs you will see the spread take off. unless you have some great athletes to start with.
I hear a college coahc say it really take 3 years to turn around a h.s. program and 4 to5 to turn around a college program. sad thing at the college level most schools are not willing to endure short term setbacks to ensure long term success. Joe Novak at northern illinois is one of my favorite coaches. he had a 3 year winless streak back in the 1990s. NIU stuck with him and he turned the corner. very few colleges will do the same these days.
a lot of communities are the same way. they want to win now and do it with as little practice time and offseason time as possible. it does not work that way.
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Post by dacoachmo on Nov 28, 2007 19:32:47 GMT -6
1. understanding of the offense and concepts like screens, throwing uncovered and when to run and when to throw. 2. Smart QB 3. athletic lineman at the center and tackle spots 4. Wrs that can catch 5. Rbs that can catch
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Post by coachdjenkins on Nov 28, 2007 19:56:34 GMT -6
This is what I believe has helped us the last two years 1. Get the kids to BELIEVE in the System. (This applies to any scheme/philosphy.) 2. Hard Working QB -- Willing to learn and be an extention of the coach 3. A Playmaker -- Someone the defense will focus on 4. Balance -- Ability to spread the ball around. Several receivers to make teams respect all skill players on the field. 5. Patience -- D.C.'s will give you something be willing to take it, until they change
Courage -- Broke several school scoring and yards records and still was questioned about not running it enough.
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Post by fbairattack on Nov 28, 2007 21:41:21 GMT -6
1. understanding of the offense and concepts like screens, throwing uncovered and when to run and when to throw. 2. Smart QB 3. athletic lineman at the center and tackle spots 4. Wrs that can catch 5. Rbs that can catch WRs that can catch is my number 1 after this last year... took over a new school this year, we averaged 7 drops per game and 47% completions, VERY frustrating
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Post by barnone on Nov 29, 2007 10:03:47 GMT -6
1. An athletic play making QB. 2. Offensive gaurds (guys that are quick so they can pull and tough.) 3. Good route running by WR's 4. Speed to get the edge 5. a Tough as nails runner to get the tough yards when needed.
That is my list.
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Post by coachbb on Nov 29, 2007 14:18:00 GMT -6
I think the minimum is to be able to throw quick. This keeps the other teams from simply blitzing more than you can protect. After that, they must respect your spreading, opening up the run and deeper passes.
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Post by ttone2210 on Nov 30, 2007 15:58:48 GMT -6
We just finished year 2 in the spread. Learned a ton from clinics, camps, other coaches, this board etc. BUT most of our learning came from the actual experiences we had.
Year 1: We were mostly pass Year 2: Much more run / 2 back run Year 3: Would like to be more balanced
Anyway from my limited experience some important things I think:(Most of you guys hit these already)
1: A QB that is either a very good passer, a very good runner, OR a adequate/ good passer and runner. Obviously a great qb would be nice to have but I don't believe you need a great one to be effective in the spread.
2: A well-coached OL: Getting these 5 to communicate and play together is more important than their individual talents
3: A playmaker: either at wr or rb
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 1, 2007 8:13:14 GMT -6
1) qb that is a distributor 2) protection scheme (specifically for 4 weak) 3) ability to throw nows/uncovereds/quicks to reduce front 4) play caller that understands when to do what (and i'm not talking about that media cliche of "7 in box = throw" type of crap)
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Post by saintrad on Dec 1, 2007 9:50:34 GMT -6
1. Someone other than Brady Leaf 2. An athletic QB (not like Brady Leaf) 3. An elusive cutback style RB (to get the hand offs from someone other than Brady Leaf) 4. WR that can block downfield and catch the rock (not thrown by Brady Leaf) 5. Oh, did I mention... anyone other than Brady Leaf.
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Post by spreadattack on Dec 1, 2007 11:32:03 GMT -6
1. Someone other than Brady Leaf 2. An athletic QB (not like Brady Leaf) 3. An elusive cutback style RB (to get the hand offs from someone other than Brady Leaf) 4. WR that can block downfield and catch the rock (not thrown by Brady Leaf) 5. Oh, did I mention... anyone other than Brady Leaf. Back in his college days though Ryan was a beast... Saw some 1996/97 Washington St cutups not too long ago. They ran the double-slot a TON and just checked around between hitch vs. soft, inside option routes vs. press man, IZone vs. Cover 2, ran boots when the outside backers cheated in (often when a lot of us would run bubble, was quite effective), and they ran the ball well enough vs. cover 2 that when safeties came up they KILLED them with play action. Lot of verticals and post routes behind those Cover 2 safeties. Before the new advances in the spread we have now this stuff was the high-technology - really safe, very simple, but difficult to stop. They were reading the number of safeties and the box (as many others had done) when Urban Meyer was still running the I (not to knock Meyer).
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Post by Sparkey on Dec 1, 2007 11:36:53 GMT -6
The bottom line is you need the QB that can do it. By this time mean one that can pass & run! Especially the pass part! Otherwise, don't run it!
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Post by spreadattack on Dec 1, 2007 11:44:11 GMT -6
I agree with Sparkey, but it should be a pretty obvious point. One commonality of the "spread," whether you run or pass or gun triple or Airraid it, is a very large proportion of your offense runs through your QB. I mean that's the common thread between Florida with Tebow and Tech with Harrell. I still think Florida puts too much on Tebow, but he's clearly a special player and the offense and team are set up to go as he does.
Contrast this with the I, where you need a solid I back and the QB can be kind of a hand-off guy, or even some of the wing-t offenses where you need a QB who can throw and run a bit but it's often mostly about his agility and ability to make great fakes.
The spread is designed to put the onus on that guy, so you have to put a guy there you trust. This is a double edged sword, of course. Some people argue that in HS it means you're only good every other year (i.e. the years your QB is coming back as opposed to his first season as a starter).
Things are changing and the coaching is improving but it is very hard for a first year HS starter, even a talented one, to put together a flawless season or lead his team to be undefeated when he is asked to make so many good decisions. Again coaching and innate talent play a role, but it is designed as a QB demanding system. It also presents the risk of injury to your QB bringing your whole season to a halt (Dixon). You lose a receiver or even a RB or your QB in another offense and you can still "manage" the game otherwise.
So that's the whole thing with the QB. It's not just that the spread "needs" a good QB (as a runner or passer, but in either event a good decisionmaker), but the entire offense is DESIGNED to be run through that guy.
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Post by shamespiral on Dec 2, 2007 0:58:08 GMT -6
1. Avg./Good OL 2. Great Decision Maker at QB
He does not need to be a great passer. We averaged 50+ plays a game this year, but only averaged 13 pass plays per game. Almost all were quicks or play action passes.
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Post by briangilbert on Dec 2, 2007 23:50:00 GMT -6
1) Use the whole field by scheme and when u can "Hit the uncovered guy" 2) Have an outstanding Quick Game (3 Step) 2A) QB who gets rid of the football 2B) WR's who catch the football
That's about it really. You don't need a great line or a great tailback to be successful.
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Post by saintrad on Dec 3, 2007 17:43:17 GMT -6
1. Someone other than Brady Leaf 2. An athletic QB (not like Brady Leaf) 3. An elusive cutback style RB (to get the hand offs from someone other than Brady Leaf) 4. WR that can block downfield and catch the rock (not thrown by Brady Leaf) 5. Oh, did I mention... anyone other than Brady Leaf. Back in his college days though Ryan was a beast... Saw some 1996/97 Washington St cutups not too long ago. They ran the double-slot a TON and just checked around between hitch vs. soft, inside option routes vs. press man, IZone vs. Cover 2, ran boots when the outside backers cheated in (often when a lot of us would run bubble, was quite effective), and they ran the ball well enough vs. cover 2 that when safeties came up they KILLED them with play action. Lot of verticals and post routes behind those Cover 2 safeties. Before the new advances in the spread we have now this stuff was the high-technology - really safe, very simple, but difficult to stop. They were reading the number of safeties and the box (as many others had done) when Urban Meyer was still running the I (not to knock Meyer). I too watched Ryan as a player and was kicking the Seahawks for not drafting him. But the simple fact is that Brady is an average QB that got drafted because of his name and quite frankly hasnt done squat for my Duckies. Another player that lost out on his "potential".
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Post by spreadattack on Dec 3, 2007 17:48:45 GMT -6
Oh I don't disagree Don't know much about Brady and he never seemed to develop.
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