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Post by larrymoe on Mar 18, 2014 11:11:03 GMT -6
How detailed are you when you gameplan and practice plan on the weekend during the season? There is no offseason. What are you game planning for spring ball? I could see trying to figure out who goes where and getting practice ready, I guess I just don't understand how that could take 2 hours short of being one complete day. We have pretty basic practice schedules depending on offense or defensive day we just adapt based on what we specifically need to work on for that week. I do offense and our DC does the defensive ones. Takes 10 mins max per plan. I guess we just have a disconnect on how to do things. I have no idea how you can spend more time planning for a week of spring football than it takes to play almost 2/3 of the games you'll play all season.
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 18, 2014 12:31:23 GMT -6
I wouldn't complain about it if we met monthly, but I don't feel like we have the best communication as a staff either. Our HC doesn't take the time to let you really know what your position group or assignment will be until the last minute. That's his prerogative as a HC, but it bothers me sometimes. I also feel like we do a lot of wholesale changing between every season here. That's rough. I cant see how you can get comfortable and really know your stuff if its going to change constantly. I've had a pretty bad experience where I'm at. I aspire to be a HC one day and while the experience has been bad, I think that I need to go through it to grow. I really like my HC even though we don't often see eye to eye. it's just the little things that make it rough. I'd move on but I love my teaching job most of the time and I really like the kids. The big picture matters more.
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Post by tog on Mar 18, 2014 12:32:25 GMT -6
Once you have your systems, everyone has jobs and defined roles, schedules are set, depth chart is evaluated and discussed, off season maxes and testing has been looked at as a staff what other things are you discussing? Or do you even bother in the email age? I haven't seen my staff in one place, at one time since our last game. And not because we email. This is me answering some of the differences. Not trying to be a jerk. I am at a 5a school in Texas with 15 coaches on the teaching staff.
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Post by tog on Mar 18, 2014 12:35:21 GMT -6
same- we couldn't even all make the banquet and have yet to see everyone in the wt room. Same here. I'm not a meeting guy. Meetings to me are wasted time. The only meetings I ever have during the season when we watch film. And that's about 3 hours long at the most. Outside maybe getting an idea or two from a clinic, there isn't anything you're going to revolutionize for next year at this point of the season. Get kids in the weight room. Your depth charts, schemes, etc mean absolutely nothing at this point. Kids grow, move, get suspended, etc. I worked for a meeting guy once. Was actually the most disorganized person I've ever worked with. But he had plenty of nice packets and vision statements and quotes. Spent hours upon hours in meetings too. Most dysfunctional program I've ever been around. For my money, meetings guys have meetings so they can "work" lots of hours and have "organization". We're not taking over a country or running Microsoft. We coach a sport. A pretty simple one at that. Here is a disagreement/misunderstanding we have. How we teach the schemes and making sure our entire staff is on the same page means a darn lot to me. My job depends on it.
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Post by tog on Mar 18, 2014 12:39:29 GMT -6
How detailed are you when you gameplan and practice plan on the weekend during the season? There is no offseason. What are you game planning for spring ball? I could see trying to figure out who goes where and getting practice ready, I guess I just don't understand how that could take 2 hours short of being one complete day. We have pretty basic practice schedules depending on offense or defensive day we just adapt based on what we specifically need to work on for that week. I do offense and our DC does the defensive ones. Takes 10 mins max per plan. I guess we just have a disconnect on how to do things. I have no idea how you can spend more time planning for a week of spring football than it takes to play almost 2/3 of the games you'll play all season. Sorry Larry, I wasn't asking that as my answer about what we actually do. It was me not reading where you were coming from that I just responded to above. We go through our schemes and the techniques to teach them constantly inside meetings and outside of them. I want everyone on staff to know the offense so well, that if I am not here, the next guy can step right in and call it. I want them to learn and become better coaches. Most importantly, our kids will be prepared.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 18, 2014 14:52:49 GMT -6
Ultimately though, why does your OL coach need to know what a WR does on inside zone?
I know what you're saying, but I don't really care if my staff knows what other positions do. It's not my job to make them better coaches IMO. My job is to make sure they can coach what I'm asking them to coach effectively. If they want to become better coaches and learn more, I'm all for it, but I'm not going to waste everyone's time, including my own sometimes, doing it. I have a guy right now that's a pretty good RB coach as far as preparing them to play the position of RB. Doesn't understand a dang thing about OL or WR and I don't ask him to. He wants to be a RB coach. That's fine with me.
I don't know. I see where you are coming from, I guess I just disagree. There's more than one way to skin a cat I guess.
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 18, 2014 15:51:18 GMT -6
Ultimately though, why does your OL coach need to know what a WR does on inside zone? I know what you're saying, but I don't really care if my staff knows what other positions do. It's not my job to make them better coaches IMO. My job is to make sure they can coach what I'm asking them to coach effectively. If they want to become better coaches and learn more, I'm all for it, but I'm not going to waste everyone's time, including my own sometimes, doing it. I have a guy right now that's a pretty good RB coach as far as preparing them to play the position of RB. Doesn't understand a dang thing about OL or WR and I don't ask him to. He wants to be a RB coach. That's fine with me. I don't know. I see where you are coming from, I guess I just disagree. There's more than one way to skin a cat I guess. Bingo! You have different types of personalities in this business. I really like the "less is more" and "addition by subtraction" types that make the job fun. If it becomes "not worth it" and there is a point where your high school football stipend simply isn't worth it....if it gets to that point, a different job is a better job.
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Post by tog on Mar 18, 2014 18:40:52 GMT -6
Ultimately though, why does your OL coach need to know what a WR does on inside zone? I know what you're saying, but I don't really care if my staff knows what other positions do. It's not my job to make them better coaches IMO. My job is to make sure they can coach what I'm asking them to coach effectively. If they want to become better coaches and learn more, I'm all for it, but I'm not going to waste everyone's time, including my own sometimes, doing it. I have a guy right now that's a pretty good RB coach as far as preparing them to play the position of RB. Doesn't understand a dang thing about OL or WR and I don't ask him to. He wants to be a RB coach. That's fine with me. I don't know. I see where you are coming from, I guess I just disagree. There's more than one way to skin a cat I guess. That's what makes this board what it is. There are many ways to do things. For instance, I don't think a rb coach can be very good if he doesn't know what the ol is doing and how that works. I wouldn't want one, and don't have to take one that won't put in the work to do so either. Maybe it is a case of supply and demand.
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 19, 2014 5:18:59 GMT -6
Ultimately though, why does your OL coach need to know what a WR does on inside zone? I know what you're saying, but I don't really care if my staff knows what other positions do. It's not my job to make them better coaches IMO. My job is to make sure they can coach what I'm asking them to coach effectively. If they want to become better coaches and learn more, I'm all for it, but I'm not going to waste everyone's time, including my own sometimes, doing it. I have a guy right now that's a pretty good RB coach as far as preparing them to play the position of RB. Doesn't understand a dang thing about OL or WR and I don't ask him to. He wants to be a RB coach. That's fine with me. I don't know. I see where you are coming from, I guess I just disagree. There's more than one way to skin a cat I guess. That's what makes this board what it is. There are many ways to do things. For instance, I don't think a rb coach can be very good if he doesn't know what the ol is doing and how that works. I wouldn't want one, and don't have to take one that won't put in the work to do so either. Maybe it is a case of supply and demand. You guys are talking about the same thing really. In the beginning, when a staff is first working together, well before they know the bigger picture and know what makes each other tic, you really need "clinic meetings" where the HC/OC/DC work to coach the coaches. After a few seasons together, provided the staff remains intact, those meetings turn into different things provided the systems and techniques and terminology hasn't been scrapped.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 19, 2014 6:17:38 GMT -6
It all depends on your staff really. We "meet" in the off season when there are issues about the program that need taken care of like now it's "which one of these open jobs is best for us to try and get so we can leave this school".
Our staff has been together for like 8-9 years so everyone knows their role, the system, how everything works, so that is real nice not having any turn over from year to year. We could hit the field today with out seeing each other since the last game and be full go with no problems. So I guess we are lucky that it's a staff of good friends who all know what is expected.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 19, 2014 11:04:49 GMT -6
It all depends on your staff really. We "meet" in the off season when there are issues about the program that need taken care of like now it's "which one of these open jobs is best for us to try and get so we can leave this school". Our staff has been together for like 8-9 years so everyone knows their role, the system, how everything works, so that is real nice not having any turn over from year to year. We could hit the field today with out seeing each other since the last game and be full go with no problems. So I guess we are lucky that it's a staff of good friends who all know what is expected. Have you guys made a move as an entire staff? How the heck did you pull that off?
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Post by wingtol on Mar 19, 2014 11:39:40 GMT -6
It all depends on your staff really. We "meet" in the off season when there are issues about the program that need taken care of like now it's "which one of these open jobs is best for us to try and get so we can leave this school". Our staff has been together for like 8-9 years so everyone knows their role, the system, how everything works, so that is real nice not having any turn over from year to year. We could hit the field today with out seeing each other since the last game and be full go with no problems. So I guess we are lucky that it's a staff of good friends who all know what is expected. Have you guys made a move as an entire staff? How the heck did you pull that off? Not yet but it's looking like that is going to happen real soon. Only one guy in the building where we are now, he probably will not go if we move. Have a bunch of guys fortunate to work jobs with hours similar to teachers hours so there is no problem getting everyone at practice. We are a small staff 7 of us total so not that big of a deal for everyone to go. It's a very loyal bunch and we are all great friends. Probably one of the best situations around staff wise that you could find.
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Post by rbcrusaders on Mar 23, 2014 19:28:51 GMT -6
We talk about different positions and what fundamentals we will teach, and that goes into all of the plays that will be run on both sides and how we will eventually teach them.
there is an imfinite amount of things to talk about.
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Post by carookie on Mar 23, 2014 22:49:39 GMT -6
If we met this time of year I wouldn't know what to cover (that wasn't redundant). One college I coached at we used to have morning meetings to plan our meetings later in the day. I think some people meet just because I don't think they can deal with some free time. It's like they feel like they have to meet so they think they can be productive. I've found that meetings guys are frequently hours worked guys. Me, I'd rather get my work done as efficiently and quickly as possible with as little jibber jabber as possible. A million times this.
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 24, 2014 1:52:39 GMT -6
I think some people meet just because I don't think they can deal with some free time. It's like they feel like they have to meet so they think they can be productive. I've found that meetings guys are frequently hours worked guys. Me, I'd rather get my work done as efficiently and quickly as possible with as little jibber jabber as possible. A million times this. We had a meeting just to make sure it didn't look bad that we didn't have a meeting. Seriously. Ultimately though my meeting agenda was solid and the meeting was terrific. The key is, you aren't wasting time, you are being productive- that is if you are prepared. I also told the guys that we wouldn't meet again until late spring. We would meeting only twice more before equipment handout.
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Post by carookie on Mar 24, 2014 19:15:43 GMT -6
I'll add this, for the most part the staffs Ive been on have been 85% and more campus guys; on those staffs we never really had many meetings because we'd all just talk after school, before school, lunch, wt room, wherever.
Now Im on a staff that is about 20% in house. We meet all the time, and many of these meetings turn into bull sessions about so-and-so here or such-and-such back then.
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Post by 4verts on Mar 24, 2014 20:10:52 GMT -6
This question is as much relative to competitive environment as anything else. In some places if you don't ever add to or take away from you schemes or tweak verbiage/terminology every couple years you will get beat, and eventually cost you your job. There are several threads on this board every year complaining about assistants not being on the same page, or the HC being unorganized, or any number of staff related complaints. I've seen several threads where HCs feel like they have to do everything because nobody on their staff is prepared to do anything of any importance. You have months to address these concerns and improve your staff, and craft. If you don't take advantage of this time these complaints are your own fault. If you've had the same staff for an extended period of time and feel like you can have your team prepared to your absolute best then more power to you.
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Post by buscalaforma21 on Mar 25, 2014 23:50:41 GMT -6
we meet once a week during the offseason, and then in prep for spring ball will meet 11 times before school in three weeks for two hours each time hey if you don't like it......move to mumford texas (they don't play football there) lol Well let's not sell Mumford short-they did just win a basketball ring! Like TOG I'm in Texas so all our guys are teachers. Even better, we're a small school, so there's only five of us and we're around each other two hours a day where we can talk between pre/post workouts, then pre/post track practice. Between that and the fact that there ain't spit to do with dry lakes in West Texas, we BS enough that we know what we need to do. We have already started lining out what we want to do to beat the teams in our way, so it's minor stuff. We'll comb through some film from colleges (baylor, A&M, Okie State) to find some new formations and ways to use motion, but other than that it's all about getting out there August 4 and DOING OUR DAMN JOBS. Even the film will be little thirty minute chunks here and there. Systems aren't changing, other teams know it, and the ones we need to beat won't be changing. Gotta get our Jaime's and Jose's playing faster than their Jimmy's and Joes.
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