nhs40
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Post by nhs40 on Mar 11, 2014 6:41:26 GMT -6
I know I have read on here about different school districts that have Board policy that mandates lifting by their sports teams. I am looking to get our Board to adopt a similar policy. Would anyone be willing to share the "verbage" in their master agreements or whatever document contains the required language? I appreciate any help you all can provide.
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 11, 2014 18:21:26 GMT -6
Never heard of such a thing.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 11, 2014 21:29:46 GMT -6
Sounds great, but you need to be careful. What if they mandate things you don't like?
Here are some things that I wouldn't like but could see being mandated. Only students above 16 can lift. You have to use crossfit. Golf is exempt from lifting. You have to use machines. You can only lift 70% of your max or your bodyweight. Etc.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 12, 2014 6:21:53 GMT -6
Never heard of anything like this before. I am guessing if your trying to do it in the off season your state association would have something to say about making off season stuff mandatory.
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Post by nhs40 on Mar 12, 2014 6:34:38 GMT -6
I am not looking for anything specifically for football. There is a lack of lifting by all of our other sports teams (basketball, baseball, wrestling, etc.) and it is hurting all of our sports teams as we fall further behind the competition. I have asked our super to consider adding language that would require all sports programs to lift at least 2x per week for a minimum of 30 minutes. At this point, any lifting is better than the zero they are getting now. Just looking for some guidance.
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Post by blb on Mar 12, 2014 6:41:33 GMT -6
Should be in all head coaches' job description (part of player and program development) and evaluation.
Would be better administered and enforced by AD than at central administration level.
Unfortunately a lot of ADs are ex-coaches who didn't believe in strength training themselves or are just happy to get warm body to fill coaching vacancy, don't want to do anything to run them off.
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Post by nhs40 on Mar 12, 2014 6:48:30 GMT -6
Have you met our AD because you just described him. I have approached this topic with him and he says it is out of his hands. I am trying the next level so that now the AD and coaches are all accountable. Will help parents "have a leg to stand on" when wanting their child to lift more than one season a year (like my son).
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Post by blb on Mar 12, 2014 6:59:34 GMT -6
Football and Wrestling are the only sports in our school that regularly use the weight room.
Our Basketball team has won three division titles in a row and three districts in four years. The only time those kids lift is when they're in Football.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 12, 2014 7:07:27 GMT -6
I am not looking for anything specifically for football. There is a lack of lifting by all of our other sports teams (basketball, baseball, wrestling, etc.) and it is hurting all of our sports teams as we fall further behind the competition. I have asked our super to consider adding language that would require all sports programs to lift at least 2x per week for a minimum of 30 minutes. At this point, any lifting is better than the zero they are getting now. Just looking for some guidance. What I am saying is that most state associations have language where there are only certain times that things can be made mandatory for teams, i.e. "in-season", if your school board says all athletes must lift twice a week all year then your probably going against what your state association says. I would assume that is why an AD is not going to get involved in trying to mandate lifting to all athletes. Now if you have a weight class as part of your PE curriculum then you can make them lift since it is for a grade and separate from the team aspect of it. That may be a better way to approach the situation.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2014 7:19:07 GMT -6
Ahhhhh...
When football coaches think they're in charge of the school...
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Post by nhs40 on Mar 12, 2014 8:50:19 GMT -6
No desire to run a school, just want all of our athletes to have an opportunity to be as successful as possible.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2014 18:23:35 GMT -6
There's a major difference between offering them an opportunity and requiring what you personally think will give them that opportunity. If their coaches don't want them to lift, that's on them. It's not your job to tell them what to do with their program. How would you like it if the basketball coach came in and told you you were conditioning your kids wrong? You wouldn't.
What gives you the right to tell him what he needs to do for his program?
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Post by nhs40 on Mar 12, 2014 18:30:21 GMT -6
I guess the way I look at it is there is enough evidence to support athletes of all sports lifting weights. The basketball coach may be right, and I don't condition them enough. However, at least I do condition them, which I cannot say with regards to their lifting.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 12, 2014 20:21:28 GMT -6
I guess the way I look at it is there is enough evidence to support athletes of all sports lifting weights. The basketball coach may be right, and I don't condition them enough. However, at least I do condition them, which I cannot say with regards to their lifting. Perhaps... but a few things jump out at me here --- I wouldn't wouldn't want ANY board to really mandate ANYTHING regarding athletics. Along these lines, I can't imagine a board doing it either, but I do recognize that things are different in different places. Our school board oversees 55 schools (8 of them high schools). I guess it is possible that a school board at a set up where one board represents just 1 "learning community" (a lower school, a middle school, and an upper school) could be so micromanaging. ---When someone is mandated to do something they don't want to do, the results are generally fruitless. --- I absolutely agree with blb here. This is MUCH more suited to building administration than central administration.
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Post by CoachHess on Mar 12, 2014 22:00:13 GMT -6
Step 1: Get yourself in the building and in charge of weights as a class. Step 2: Get guidance dept. to push hard for athletes in weights. Step 3: Your players (Football) take weights if possible. Period. Step 4: Players bust @$$, they get stronger, faster, more explosive. It shows in other sports. Coaches can't tell you want to do "in-season" because it is your class. They win more games, kids look better, coaches and parents and admins notice. Step 5: Watch the kids run to the weight room.
A year ago, I would have taken a job as an asst. just about anywhere to get out of the HC job I had. Disaster. They finally gave me Step 1-3. 4 is in progress and working great. We are even talking about doing Elective PE Weights for SUMMER SCHOOL. I'll get paid to have weights class in the summer. What a gig that could be. I wouldn't worry about the school board. Focus on AD/Principals/athletes and let the hard work speak for itself.
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Post by mrjvi on Mar 13, 2014 4:39:17 GMT -6
2 schools near us have AD's that require a strength program for all sports. One even has a paid guy who must sign off on the program (a CSCS ). While I still see all the potential problems that could occur with that, both teams are perennial powers in almost all of their sports. The one AD even canned a basketball coach because the coach didn't want to strength train. He has since come back and they are a power. Unfortunately, our AD isn't them. He encourages it some what but that's all.
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Post by wingtol on Mar 13, 2014 6:16:24 GMT -6
I think there is a big difference between requiring a strength program for a sport and having a board mandate that everyone lift. Trust me I get pi$$ed off when kids don't lift with us or are lazy or whatever and we do our best to hammer home they need to lift with us but when push comes to shove if you are mandating they must lift in the off season your setting yourself up for all kinds of problems. Best route is to get a weight class as part of PE.
Trying to get into a pi$$ing contest with other coaches cause you don't agree with their strength programs is only make your life harder especially when they start tell their kids "You aren't gonna play if you play football"
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Post by NC1974 on Mar 13, 2014 7:03:15 GMT -6
Generally speaking, I would say board mandated things would only serve to tie your hands. Whenever possible, I would think an HC would want to maintain as much control as possible.
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Post by nhs40 on Mar 13, 2014 7:32:48 GMT -6
Step 1: Get yourself in the building and in charge of weights as a class. Step 2: Get guidance dept. to push hard for athletes in weights. Step 3: Your players (Football) take weights if possible. Period. Step 4: Players bust @$$, they get stronger, faster, more explosive. It shows in other sports. Coaches can't tell you want to do "in-season" because it is your class. They win more games, kids look better, coaches and parents and admins notice. Step 5: Watch the kids run to the weight room. A year ago, I would have taken a job as an asst. just about anywhere to get out of the HC job I had. Disaster. They finally gave me Step 1-3. 4 is in progress and working great. We are even talking about doing Elective PE Weights for SUMMER SCHOOL. I'll get paid to have weights class in the summer. What a gig that could be. I wouldn't worry about the school board. Focus on AD/Principals/athletes and let the hard work speak for itself. We have an advanced PE class that is designed to be a weight lifting class. However, the lifting that takes place is very poor (even for our football players that are in there). I cannot teach PE, as I am only certified science. We have had VERY good success this winter with our Powerlifting Program (not a true "powerlifting" teaching, but we incorporate it as part of our off-season lifting). Our building princpal has noticed the size of our athletes (even mentioned last week that the kids that have been lifting "are filling out their shirts a lot more."). We have all kinds of athletes as part of our after-school powerlifting (band, cross country, track, softball, etc), and all improved dramatically. A number of parents also commented on how much their son/daughter enjoyed what we were doing. You all raise great points. Control what you can, and let the rest sort itself out.
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