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Post by airraider on Feb 24, 2014 12:47:12 GMT -6
Have a lineman who is about 5"11 270.
He told us the other day that he's not lifting weights until after golf is over because if he adds bulk it will hurt his golf swing. And he thinks he is going to get a golf scholarship.
Of course we told him that wasn't going to fly...
So he goes to a Chiropractor buddy of his dad's and gets a note explaining that it is his professional opinion that he should not lift.
So our principal says since he has a note, we have to honor it.
Well good thing for us we are a private school, and the guy paying this kid's tuition said either he lifts or he's not paying for him..
So the kid quits and will either have pony up his own tuition or will be taking his golfing talents elsewhere!
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Post by fantom on Feb 24, 2014 12:49:34 GMT -6
Have a lineman who is about 5"11 270. He told us the other day that he's not lifting weights until after golf is over because if he adds bulk it will hurt his golf swing. And he thinks he is going to get a golf scholarship. Of course we told him that wasn't going to fly... So he goes to a Chiropractor buddy of his dad's and gets a note explaining that it is his professional opinion that he should not lift. So our principal says since he has a note, we have to honor it. Well good thing for us we are a private school, and the guy paying this kid's tuition said either he lifts or he's not paying for him.. So the kid quits and will either have pony up his own tuition or will be taking his golfing talents elsewhere! A 5'11" 270 lb. dude who's worried about bulking up? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 12:58:36 GMT -6
As weird of an excuse as this is to quit...who was paying the tuition? Relative? If not a relative, how common of an occurrence is this? That's the part that stuck out to me! Not intending to make this a private/public thread. Just something that struck me.
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 24, 2014 13:05:07 GMT -6
This is the web we weave as coaches. We are all given the task to build championship teams. We may have too many distractions in our own buildings to get it done. Heres a kid who chose golf over football.
we have become a nation so soft. I cant imagine that happening back in the 70s. A) golf? b) quitting for golf?
c) parents losing the tuition by allowing the kid to say no.
now, I am maybe too soft too. I don't force my guys to lift. I feel that we cant afford to lose any of them to other sports, the ones that want to win, they lift. We build our team around those guys.
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Post by hsrose on Feb 24, 2014 13:14:15 GMT -6
My first year coaching youth ball I inherited a kid that was the QB. Big, tall, good athlete. I went with single wing. Kid was the long end, caught a lot of balls, scored some TD's. Kid is 12. After the season I follow up with all the parents and when I call mom is obviously very PO'd with me. Since the kid is no longer the QB he has decided to quit football and concentrate on golf. Not basketball, or baseball, golf. At 12. Mom and dad blame it all on me and that crazy offense and no QB and all that. Time passes, kid reaches high school, I lose track of him, he's at a different school. I see in the paper one day that he got a D1 scholarship to play golf. Funny, mom and dad never called to thank me....
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Post by airraider on Feb 24, 2014 14:50:02 GMT -6
As weird of an excuse as this is to quit...who was paying the tuition? Relative? If not a relative, how common of an occurrence is this? That's the part that stuck out to me! Not intending to make this a private/public thread. Just something that struck me. One of our kids who is a sr this... His family paid for. Few friends to come from his old school. They agreed to pay for the 2 who were a year behind for their sr year. Our association has this happen a good bit. |
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Post by airraider on Feb 24, 2014 14:52:33 GMT -6
This is the web we weave as coaches. We are all given the task to build championship teams. We may have too many distractions in our own buildings to get it done. Heres a kid who chose golf over football. we have become a nation so soft. I cant imagine that happening back in the 70s. A) golf? b) quitting for golf? c) parents losing the tuition by allowing the kid to say no. now, I am maybe too soft too. I don't force my guys to lift. I feel that we cant afford to lose any of them to other sports, the ones that want to win, they lift. We build our team around those guys. I have had kids quit for various reasons... Although strange, this does not take the cake... But the fact that a chiropractor wrote a note to excuse him from lifting based on his opinion of how it effects his golf swing... |
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Post by rudyrude9 on Feb 24, 2014 16:07:22 GMT -6
I'm with the golfer on this one. Some of you guys take this sh!t way to seriously.
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Post by fantom on Feb 24, 2014 16:09:47 GMT -6
I'm with the golfer on this one. Some of you guys take this sh!t way to seriously. So, take it to the golf board. |
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Post by airraider on Feb 24, 2014 17:12:28 GMT -6
I'm with the golfer on this one. Some of you guys take this sh!t way to seriously. Well I feel as if we have to have a weight program in order to be competitive... our opponents lift, so we must lift in order to compete... This kid goes to a bootleg doctor and gets a note, not based on an injury... but on an opinion about a matter that quite frankly, he has no specialization in. So now, should we just let the kid wait until after golf? Well what about Jimmy and Joe who play tennis and get a note.... and Bill and Bob who play baseball? At what point does it end? |
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 24, 2014 17:28:38 GMT -6
seems to me that if he had a back injury golf would be contraindicated. I am no Doctor but I played one on TV once.
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Post by airraider on Feb 24, 2014 17:37:44 GMT -6
seems to me that if he had a back injury golf would be contraindicated. I am no Doctor but I played one on TV once. Oh there was no injury... the Chiropractor is a family friend and he goes to him for free... So the dad called in a favor on this one. |
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Post by airraider on Feb 24, 2014 17:39:57 GMT -6
Have a lineman who is about 5"11 270. He told us the other day that he's not lifting weights until after golf is over because if he adds bulk it will hurt his golf swing. And he thinks he is going to get a golf scholarship. Of course we told him that wasn't going to fly... So he goes to a Chiropractor buddy of his dad's and gets a note explaining that it is his professional opinion that he should not lift. So our principal says since he has a note, we have to honor it. Well good thing for us we are a private school, and the guy paying this kid's tuition said either he lifts or he's not paying for him.. So the kid quits and will either have pony up his own tuition or will be taking his golfing talents elsewhere! A 5'11" 270 lb. dude who's worried about bulking up? That was my issue... if you were a golfer last year and started lifting as a normal sized kid as soon as the season was over and really busted your butt and gained 20 or so pounds of muscle, I could see the issue for this season. More than likely he would actually slim down if he busted his butt... would muscle up, but would lose fat in his frame. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Feb 24, 2014 18:23:04 GMT -6
Chiropractors are sham snake oil doctors anyway.
Probably couldn't rely on him much either way, hurts to lose a body but if he wants to be John Daly so be it.
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 24, 2014 18:28:11 GMT -6
Yeah, I wouldn't even speak of a kid who was using golf to get out of lifting. The mental makeup of a kid that doesn't like to lift is just strange to me anyhow.
I liken it to the guys that want to play baseball all year. Baseball is a fun game, but its also super boring to me after about 6 innings. I cant imagine doing it all year.
Golf? Im already old and haven't started playing, figure Ill play when I am really old. I still lift.
Doesn't sound like you lost a very tough kid to me Coach. Youre better off. 270 lbs of pudding.
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Post by airraider on Feb 24, 2014 19:08:42 GMT -6
Yeah, I wouldn't even speak of a kid who was using golf to get out of lifting. The mental makeup of a kid that doesn't like to lift is just strange to me anyhow. I liken it to the guys that want to play baseball all year. Baseball is a fun game, but its also super boring to me after about 6 innings. I cant imagine doing it all year. Golf? Im already old and haven't started playing, figure Ill play when I am really old. I still lift. Doesn't sound like you lost a very tough kid to me Coach. Youre better off. 270 lbs of pudding. Yea, he was hot and cold all year for us this year... could be good, but as the game went on he got lazy and his stance and leverage suffered... Which if you look at it, all seems to be a tell tell sign of the current situation. |
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Post by georgefred86 on Feb 24, 2014 20:05:42 GMT -6
As coaches we always hold the last card ... playing time! We have a number of 1st team all conference football players who golf in the spring but lift all winter and all summer. Our philosophy is to give every kid an opportunity to succeed by offering our strength and speed program the Monday after Thanksgiving until the first day of camp ... a total of 143 workouts. We don't turn any young man away once the season begins. A large number of our players will not miss a workout and they will get the first look during two a days, however, for those that have not made as many workouts and are still the better player when the ball is snapped, they will get the nod. Our numbers keep growing along with our success. Less than 5% of our players go on to play college football and at our school of 850 we need to share our athletes. Let these young men enjoy the experience of being multi-sport student athletes, a chance of a lifetime. Once their four years are over many will never get an opportunity to compete again. IMO we all need to get over ourselves and realize that high school football is the not end all be all answer in their lives. As coaches, football is our absolute passion but it is not for all of them, some of them just want to be part of something bigger than themselves, others want to be all conference and then there are those few who want to go on and play at the next level. That's the cool part of our profession in high school football, we get the opportunity to coach them ALL and create memories not only for them but for the communities that we represent!
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Post by footballscout on Feb 24, 2014 20:21:02 GMT -6
Watched an episode of the TV show House once. Feel like I am now qualified to write notes about what sports are/aren't beneficial to other sports.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 24, 2014 20:23:35 GMT -6
doesn't tiger woods lift weights?
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Post by silkyice on Feb 24, 2014 20:47:38 GMT -6
doesn't tiger woods lift weights? You beat me to it. Lift to help your golf!!! Lift to help any sport!!! Lift to be healthier. Lift to be safer. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Feb 24, 2014 20:49:21 GMT -6
Yup
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Post by fb4life08 on Feb 24, 2014 21:07:48 GMT -6
This is a tough one for me because the duel sport athlete gets pulled in a ton of different directions by their other coaches. If the golf team is part of the school sport offerings, then this is an AD issue. We had our starting QB this past year go through this during basketball season. Basketball coach didn't want him lifting with us in the mornings because he was dragging butt with him during practice. The kid got a ton of pressure put on him by our HC, and the truth is that during basketball season, the kid is the ball coach's responsibility. This is where the multi-sport lifting program comes in play. The Spring and Winter Sport coaches need to be helping out the fall coaches and vise versa.
As for Tiger Woods, just read a great article on him that he bulked up too much which has led to both injury and a lack of flexibility in his golf game, thus, his recent results. Take it for what it is worth.
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Post by airraider on Feb 24, 2014 21:22:15 GMT -6
I think the main absurdity of the whole issue is that if you ask a broad and unsubstantial question such as, does lifting weights hurt ones golf swing or one's basketball shot... you can find whatever answer you want by the people you choose to ask...
Who started this whole problem?? The golf "coach" who was hired to give the kid personal lessons was the one to get it in his head that he should no lift. He then got the professional opinion of a "doctor" who cannot even prescribe medicine.
And furthermore, the whole "reason" why he chose golf over football is because he thinks he has a better chance at a golf scholarship than a football scholarship...
A. scholarships for golf are very rare, especially when you are not even in the top 2 or 3 on your high school team.
B. not too many kids with an 11 on the ACT will be getting a scholarship in any sport.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 24, 2014 21:52:49 GMT -6
This is a tough one for me because the duel sport athlete gets pulled in a ton of different directions by their other coaches. If the golf team is part of the school sport offerings, then this is an AD issue. We had our starting QB this past year go through this during basketball season. Basketball coach didn't want him lifting with us in the mornings because he was dragging butt with him during practice. The kid got a ton of pressure put on him by our HC, and the truth is that during basketball season, the kid is the ball coach's responsibility. This is where the multi-sport lifting program comes in play. The Spring and Winter Sport coaches need to be helping out the fall coaches and vise versa. As for Tiger Woods, just read a great article on him that he bulked up too much which has led to both injury and a lack of flexibility in his golf game, thus, his recent results. Take it for what it is worth. This is a good example of what I mentioned in silkyice 's thread about lifting. It has to be a SCHOOLWIDE CULTURE of lifting. Not "lift with football in the offseason" culture. Not saying that is easy by anymeans, nor is it something that can be accomplished solely by the football staff. |
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Post by hsrose on Feb 24, 2014 22:05:04 GMT -6
Re: Dr. Notes
Once had a dad call me the day after we rushed for 320+ in one of our few victories. He didn't want his boy playing OT, he was a fullback. We discussed it, he got angry. Monday he shows up with the player and a Dr. note saying that getting into a 3-point stance was hurting his back and that he could not do that anymore. Cleared for everything but the 3-point stance. So he couldn't play OT anymore. Played LB and was darn good. Our next OT was not nearly as good and we went downhill from there.
Dad was willing, and able, to get his kid off the OL at the expense of the team.
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Post by gccwolverine on Feb 24, 2014 22:37:15 GMT -6
Re: Dr. Notes Once had a dad call me the day after we rushed for 320+ in one of our few victories. He didn't want his boy playing OT, he was a fullback. We discussed it, he got angry. Monday he shows up with the player and a Dr. note saying that getting into a 3-point stance was hurting his back and that he could not do that anymore. Cleared for everything but the 3-point stance. So he couldn't play OT anymore. Played LB and was darn good. Our next OT was not nearly as good and we went downhill from there. Dad was willing, and able, to get his kid off the OL at the expense of the team. Can't get in a 3 point stance due to back injury. Can't play anywhere then get off the field go home! |
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Post by emptybackfield on Feb 25, 2014 5:35:04 GMT -6
Re: Dr. Notes Once had a dad call me the day after we rushed for 320+ in one of our few victories. He didn't want his boy playing OT, he was a fullback. We discussed it, he got angry. Monday he shows up with the player and a Dr. note saying that getting into a 3-point stance was hurting his back and that he could not do that anymore. Cleared for everything but the 3-point stance. So he couldn't play OT anymore. Played LB and was darn good. Our next OT was not nearly as good and we went downhill from there. Dad was willing, and able, to get his kid off the OL at the expense of the team. Why didn't you let him play OT from a 2-point? |
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Post by olcoach53 on Feb 25, 2014 6:55:12 GMT -6
I'm with the golfer on this one. Some of you guys take this sh!t way to seriously. So if the kid doesn't lift and your team isn't successful all is well in the world?
You seem like the kind of coach who likes to say things like "we need to lift to win" but then turns around and tells somebody else that "lifting isn't needed"
Make up your mind.
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Post by olcoach53 on Feb 25, 2014 6:57:13 GMT -6
People often associate lifting weights with bulking up and with football. I try to tell the multi-sport athletes at the school that lifting weights is necessary for ANY sport. These guys who think they are going to go to college for baseball, basketball or any other sport have no idea the amount of time and work that is put in IN the weight room. A lot of them are in for a rude awakening.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 25, 2014 7:47:23 GMT -6
I will preference this by saying we push our guys to be in our weight room no matter what and get pi$$ed when kids aren't in our program.
But how do you tell a kid who is not in your non-mandatory off season program that he lifts or else? I always feel that is a slippery slope to walk on. I would assume in all states a kid can show up the day before mandatory practice starts to say he wants to play and can you really deny him that chance if your a non-cut team?
On a final note it baffles me that coaches of other sports tell kids not to lift because it will screw up their shot/swing/throwing motion/whatever, do they not watch sports on tv? Everyone is jacked now! I mean some of those golfers look like they could play safety in the NFL for Godsakes! Baseball is ripe with PED's! NBA guys look like genetic freaks now! What are these other coaches thinking?!?!?!?!?!
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