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Post by rpetrie on Feb 17, 2014 8:20:19 GMT -6
Now the REALLY important question...after you've flipped & flopped your O/D.
HOW DO YOU DESIGNATE the football?
1. Center is square...all other players are O's 2. Center is square with an X inside...all other players are O's 3. Center is an X only...other players are O's 4. Center is a B (for ball)...other players are O's (I call this the "BOO" approach 5. You use the actual letters for all positions as they are called by your HC (X,Y,Z,T,G,Q, etc.)
We fight about this all the time...I have to guys that like the "BOO" approach, but I do Center-square with X. Sounds like I'm talking about Hollywood Squares, not football.
Of course this is on the whiteboard/paper/napkin scenario...HUDL uses the square.
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Post by fantom on Feb 17, 2014 8:35:03 GMT -6
Square for the Center, O's for the offense, letters for the defense. On scout cards it's letters for everybody except the Center.
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Post by rpetrie on Feb 17, 2014 8:46:30 GMT -6
Square for the Center, O's for the offense, letters for the defense. On scout cards it's letters for everybody except the Center. What...no triangles for defense? You must be a defensive coach if you take the time to put letters there. I actually do the same for the defense, although I'm also the OC. Brought up as a defensive coach so that's what I was taught.
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Post by rpetrie on Feb 17, 2014 8:46:56 GMT -6
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Post by 4slife0 on Feb 17, 2014 8:48:37 GMT -6
Square for the center, ovals for the OL, letters for the other individual offensive positions. On defense we use whatever the first letter is of the position or symbols like $.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 17, 2014 8:58:27 GMT -6
Circle with an X in it for the center. Didn't see that option. Maybe I am the only one who does that. I do use letters for D no matter if I am drawing scout or our D.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Feb 17, 2014 9:11:57 GMT -6
Circle with an X. I do the same thing. I'm so random with everything else. Like just recently, I was x-ing with another coach and he labeled the 9 tech a 9 and the 5 tech a 5, by actually writing the numbers out. I tried that for a while, but then went to something else. I started labeling the 5 tech an R (rush) and the 9 tech an E because that is what I see in a lot of 4-3 defenses.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 17, 2014 9:12:59 GMT -6
Circle with an X in it for the center. Didn't see that option. Maybe I am the only one who does that. I do use letters for D no matter if I am drawing scout or our D. Same on center, but I use numbers for the dlineman to indicate their technique.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 17, 2014 9:13:14 GMT -6
double post
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Post by rpetrie on Feb 17, 2014 9:13:54 GMT -6
Circle with an X in it for the center. Didn't see that option. Maybe I am the only one who does that. I do use letters for D no matter if I am drawing scout or our D. Sorry...should have been there. I can't use all circles or else I lose track and end up with an unbalanced formation with everything! I need double-checks on everything.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Feb 17, 2014 9:15:52 GMT -6
Square no X, circles for the rest of the OLine and RB, Q for the QB and letters (X,Y,Z) for the receivers. Letters all over for the defense. I had always been reluctant to use letters for the receivers as some offenses or coaches seem to designate different letters for positions I always thought were standard. i.e. Z=widest receiver, X=Slot, Y=TE? Is this standard, Coach?
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Post by jg78 on Feb 17, 2014 9:16:02 GMT -6
Generally: Just O's on offense, letters on D.
Scout cards: Colored O's for offensive skill players, numbers for scout D.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Feb 17, 2014 9:22:22 GMT -6
Numbers on defensive scout cards make a hell of a lot of sense. I feel like the old "I should've had a V8 today" commercials where I'm slapping my forehead.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 9:28:31 GMT -6
I was at my first staff meeting at a new job in 2005. One other coach and I were newbies while the rest of the staff had been together for several years. I had met one-on-one with the HC a couple times before this meeting, so he warned me he was going to do this, but he had me go up to the whiteboard to draw up our base run play. The first thing I did was draw a circle with an X in it for the center and the HC immediately responds, "SEE! I learned something about you already!" According to him, spread guys draw circles with an X while fullhouse-type offenses uses squares. No idea if this holds up or not...
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Post by sfcoacho on Feb 17, 2014 9:28:46 GMT -6
This is just all the more incentive to never coach defense.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Feb 17, 2014 9:29:08 GMT -6
What is the preference for safeties? Strong Safety: S, SS, $ Free Safety: F, F/S, FS
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Post by jg78 on Feb 17, 2014 9:37:16 GMT -6
Numbers on defensive scout cards make a hell of a lot of sense. I feel like the old "I should've had a V8 today" commercials where I'm slapping my forehead. I number scout defenders 1-11 and shade or draw a line through the offensive linemen for the DL to know what technique to play. So if scout defender #1 is aligned over the guard and the outside half of the guard is shaded, that means he's a 3 tech. It helps keep them from getting confused, especially in the spring and summer when you may be throwing a lot of different looks at your O and the scout D is shifting around a lot.
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Post by jg78 on Feb 17, 2014 9:37:26 GMT -6
Numbers on defensive scout cards make a hell of a lot of sense. I feel like the old "I should've had a V8 today" commercials where I'm slapping my forehead. I number scout defenders 1-11 and shade or draw a line through the offensive linemen for the DL to know what technique to play. So if scout defender #1 is aligned over the guard and the outside half of the guard is shaded, that means he's a 3 tech. It helps keep them from getting confused, especially in the spring and summer when you may be throwing a lot of different looks at your O and the scout D is shifting around a lot.
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 17, 2014 9:38:51 GMT -6
Strong is S, Free is F. I use letters for the D skills, #'s for the DL, circles for all O except the C who is a square. I tried to use letters for the O before, but I got sick and tired of an F becoming an H because he moves four inches to the left and the whole HB/RB/TB thing really became a pain. You O guys are ridiculous.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Feb 17, 2014 9:43:53 GMT -6
Numbers on defensive scout cards make a hell of a lot of sense. I feel like the old "I should've had a V8 today" commercials where I'm slapping my forehead. I number scout defenders 1-11 and shade or draw a line through the offensive linemen for the DL to know what technique to play. So if scout defender #1 is aligned over the guard and the outside half of the guard is shaded, that means he's a 3 tech. It helps keep them from getting confused, especially in the spring and summer when you may be throwing a lot of different looks at your O and the scout D is shifting around a lot. Especially good for younger players as well. I'm on it. Thanks.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Feb 17, 2014 9:51:15 GMT -6
Just a tip for some of the younger guys: In a interview, if/when asked to draw up a scheme, consider writing the name of the scheme down on the board. 1) it gives you time to process 2) it shows a little attention to detail 3) it gives your audience a reference to what is being discussed. I'm sure there are other benefits, but this is something I've done that has helped me.
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 17, 2014 11:09:33 GMT -6
Defensive coach
When we are talking about defense, installing/scheming/etc….. defense is on the bottom
When I am trying to pick apart what we are doing on defense, I put the offense on the bottom.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Feb 17, 2014 11:56:34 GMT -6
Curious if any asst. coaches have a HC or any HC's out there that insists that schemes be drawn with certain particulars...or insist that everyone draw the same way...
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Post by rpetrie on Feb 17, 2014 12:31:13 GMT -6
Curious if any asst. coaches have a HC or any HC's out there that insists that schemes be drawn with certain particulars...or insist that everyone draw the same way... Don't really care...and it allows me to make fun of my other coaches when they do it differently. Honestly as long as we use the same terminology the diagram preferences are irrelevant IMO. But every time my QB's coach draws up a formation he puts "B" at the center (for ball) and then O's for other OL, and X/Y for receivers. it opens up the chance for me to say WTF, followed by some silly remark.
1. WTF...is it Halloween B..O..O 2. WTF...is this music class, why is there an obo(e) on my board O..O..B..O..O 3. WTF...did you want a Yoohoo Y..O..O..B..O..O
silly, but provides a little levity at his expense. He's the only guy I've ever seen do this.
I do want the scheme being discussed on the bottom though...clarifies the R/L aspects IMO
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 17, 2014 12:41:04 GMT -6
I've always done a box with an x inside for the center
Every time I've ever drawn in my life Circles for other OL Letters for The skills
I've seen a couple coaches use a B Where the center goes I'm guessing for ball?
Idk but that kills me
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Post by shocktroop34 on Feb 17, 2014 13:49:39 GMT -6
Curious if any asst. coaches have a HC or any HC's out there that insists that schemes be drawn with certain particulars...or insist that everyone draw the same way... Don't really care...and it allows me to make fun of my other coaches when they do it differently. Honestly as long as we use the same terminology the diagram preferences are irrelevant IMO. But every time my QB's coach draws up a formation he puts "B" at the center (for ball) and then O's for other OL, and X/Y for receivers. it opens up the chance for me to say WTF, followed by some silly remark.
1. WTF...is it Halloween B..O..O 2. WTF...is this music class, why is there an obo(e) on my board O..O..B..O..O 3. WTF...did you want a Yoohoo Y..O..O..B..O..O
silly, but provides a little levity at his expense. He's the only guy I've ever seen do this.
I do want the scheme being discussed on the bottom though...clarifies the R/L aspects IMO
That is great. Like you, I've only seen one guy that I know do that. Certainly good for some laughs. Thanks.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Feb 17, 2014 20:02:07 GMT -6
Now the REALLY important question...after you've flipped & flopped your O/D.
HOW DO YOU DESIGNATE the football?
1. Center is square...all other players are O's 2. Center is square with an X inside...all other players are O's 3. Center is an X only...other players are O's 4. Center is a B (for ball)...other players are O's (I call this the "BOO" approach 5. You use the actual letters for all positions as they are called by your HC (X,Y,Z,T,G,Q, etc.)
We fight about this all the time...I have to guys that like the "BOO" approach, but I do Center-square with X. Sounds like I'm talking about Hollywood Squares, not football.
Of course this is on the whiteboard/paper/napkin scenario...HUDL uses the square. The center is a square with an "X" inside. Everyone else on the line are "O"s. The "skill" guys are lettered by position (X, Y, Z, F, T, Q). The defenders are lettered/numbered by position/technique (1, 3, 6, 9, B, C, F, $, etc.).
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Post by coachmoore42 on Feb 17, 2014 20:07:33 GMT -6
What is the preference for safeties? Strong Safety: S, SS, $ Free Safety: F, F/S, FS $ and F, so we can use the S for a Strong LBer (W, M, S)...but we rarely need that level of distinction in the LBers.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 17, 2014 21:06:26 GMT -6
I do $ for strong backer and S for strong safety
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Post by nhsehs on Feb 18, 2014 17:08:59 GMT -6
Square with a cross connecting the midpoints of each side for center (looks like lower case T inside the square). As more get drawn, I get lazier, and the squares look more like B's.
Circles for OL.
Letters for skill.
For defense, numbers for DL (3 technique is a 3), but N for a shaded nose to differentiate from 1/2i.
LB and secondary get letters.
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