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Post by shocktroop34 on Feb 14, 2014 18:53:08 GMT -6
I have a buddy that has a GA interview with a prominent division-1 program. The other GA's told him that he better know how to draw defensive schemes from the bottom moving upward or the coach will get pissed.
I guess I never thought about it much. But naturally, I started to wonder how you all draw x's and o's, and what rationale you have for it (if any).
I always thought that the scheme that was being discussed was on top moving downward. A lot of guys are offense above and defense below. What say you?
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Post by fantom on Feb 14, 2014 18:58:54 GMT -6
I have a buddy that has a GA interview with a prominent division-1 program. The other GA's told him that he better know how to draw defensive schemes from the bottom moving upward or the coach will get pissed. I guess I never thought about it much. But naturally, I started to wonder how you all draw x's and o's, and what rationale you have for it (if any). I always thought that the scheme that was being discussed was on top moving downward. A lot of guys are offense above and defense below. What say you? The scheme being discussed is on the bottom moving toward the top. That way when you talk about your Right Guard on offense or your Right Corner on defense, he's actually on your right. |
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Post by agap on Feb 14, 2014 18:59:38 GMT -6
Whatever you're drawing should be on the bottom. So when I'm drawing defense, it's on the bottom. Same with offense.
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Post by morris on Feb 14, 2014 19:05:05 GMT -6
At first I thought I did the above which is whatever scheme is being discussed is on the bottom. Then I realized I always put the offense on the bottom. I think I do it that way to give me more room to shows routes and drops of the defense.
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Post by hawk18 on Feb 14, 2014 19:40:06 GMT -6
Whatever scheme I am drawing is on the bottom moving upward.
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Post by powerfootball71 on Feb 14, 2014 19:49:22 GMT -6
Kind of hit this recently chalking run fits with are dc vs various tun schemes. He drew the defense on the bottom and it kind of threw me off I had not white borded with a d guy for a few years. My observation is what ever side of the ball you coach you draw on the bottom.
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 14, 2014 19:53:00 GMT -6
Same as everybody else. Scheme discussed is on bottom. I would always draw offense on bottom, but then an older coach told me that I'm confusing the heck out of my defensive guys. I was an OL when I played and never thought about it.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Feb 14, 2014 21:56:34 GMT -6
As a young, untrained buck, I drew everything from the offensive side (offense on the bottom, defense on the top). That's the way I learned to do it, so that's how I do it. That said, I would consider myself a defensive minded coach, more than offensive minded anyway. Until now, I didn't realize that this many coaches felt that "the concept being discussed" should be at the bottom. I've tried to draw the defense on the bottom and it just looks like a mess.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 14, 2014 22:12:32 GMT -6
I always put the offense on the bottom, but I see the rationale for doing it the other way. Our DC wants everything from a defensive perspective, even so far as to make a separate data column for "D Hash."
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Post by carookie on Feb 14, 2014 22:33:51 GMT -6
As a defensive guy, I like to put the offense on the bottom. I know what it's supposed to look like for me, I want to see what it looks like from the opposite perspective. By putting the offense on bottom I feel I can get a better grasp on where they'll go after me.
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 14, 2014 22:34:27 GMT -6
The only thing that made me think about it and ultimately change the way I drew things up was when it was brought to my attention by an older coach. When I chalk our defense and I'm pointing to the left to locate the right OLB and pointing to the right to locate the left OLB, it's just one more thing my kids have to translate. It actually has helped a lot. Especially with the freshmen.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 15, 2014 1:45:31 GMT -6
Whatever side I'm coaching is on the bottom
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Post by rhscoachbh on Feb 15, 2014 3:17:36 GMT -6
Scheme discussed on bottom, although it pisses our DC off
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Post by planck on Feb 15, 2014 5:19:34 GMT -6
You guys are all doing it all wrong. I draw the defense moving right to left and the offense moving bottom to top.
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Post by jg78 on Feb 15, 2014 6:35:30 GMT -6
I always draw the offense on the bottom. The reasoning behind putting the side of the ball in question on the bottom makes sense, but I just see things better with the offense on the bottom regardless of whether I'm coaching O or D.
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Post by bluboy on Feb 15, 2014 7:31:04 GMT -6
Scheme being discussed on the bottom. When I was a young buck, the HC I worked for was a special ed guy. He wanted the kids to see that the right DT was on the right or that the left offenisve guard was pulling right. I can remember having to re-draw many diagrams because I did not do it this way. Now, tha I'm the old fart on the staff, I get really pissed when it's done the other way. |
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Post by tekart on Feb 15, 2014 8:26:39 GMT -6
Side being discussed is on the bottom.
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Post by fantom on Feb 15, 2014 9:54:21 GMT -6
Scheme being discussed on the bottom. When I was a young buck, the HC I worked for was a special ed guy. He wanted the kids to see that the right DT was on the right or that the left offenisve guard was pulling right. I can remember having to re-draw many diagrams because I did not do it this way. Now, tha I'm the old fart on the staff, I get really pissed when it's done the other way. IMO this becomes really important when you draw scout cards. |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Feb 15, 2014 11:31:28 GMT -6
I have a buddy that has a GA interview with a prominent division-1 program. The other GA's told him that he better know how to draw defensive schemes from the bottom moving upward or the coach will get pissed. I guess I never thought about it much. But naturally, I started to wonder how you all draw x's and o's, and what rationale you have for it (if any). I always thought that the scheme that was being discussed was on top moving downward. A lot of guys are offense above and defense below. What say you? The scheme being discussed is on the bottom moving toward the top. That way when you talk about your Right Guard on offense or your Right Corner on defense, he's actually on your right. Yet again, one of the many reasons I appreciate the guys on this site. I'm not afraid to say that all the points made just simply escaped me. I don't know why I couldn't see it before, but I see it now. Thanks to all. |
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Post by cenglish56 on Feb 15, 2014 11:53:18 GMT -6
I been told i draw from the wrong perspective because I put offense on the bottom and I am a defense guy. I get the perspective thing it's just how a grew up doing it. I literally put the paper upside down so the kids get the perspective they need at times.
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Post by mahonz on Feb 15, 2014 12:01:29 GMT -6
For playbooks... scheme being discussed always on the top.
Then you can quick crescent huddle the players on the practice field with your back to the LOS and discuss the play while reading your own notes right side up and the play design is shown in a true position relationship for the players as they face the LOS. This also works for discussing play design with another coach which is always more comfortable sitting face to face. He is viewing in a real position relationship while you can read notes.
White boarding for the room....scheme on the bottom so left is left and right is right for the viewers.
I learned this from a College Coach. All of my playbooks are basically upside down from the norm but far more useful when I am teaching / reviewing plays to the players.
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Post by fantom on Feb 15, 2014 12:06:31 GMT -6
For playbooks... scheme being discussed always on the top. Then you can quick crescent huddle the players on the practice field with your back to the LOS and discuss the play while reading your own notes right side up and the play design is shown in a true position relationship for the players as they face the LOS. This also works for discussing play design with another coach which is always more comfortable sitting face to face. He is viewing in a real position relationship while you can read notes. White boarding for the room....scheme on the bottom so left is left and right is right for the viewers. I learned this from a College Coach. All of my playbooks are basically upside down from the norm but far more useful when I am teaching / reviewing plays to the players. I've never in my career taken a playbook into a huddle. |
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Post by mahonz on Feb 15, 2014 12:40:26 GMT -6
For playbooks... scheme being discussed always on the top. Then you can quick crescent huddle the players on the practice field with your back to the LOS and discuss the play while reading your own notes right side up and the play design is shown in a true position relationship for the players as they face the LOS. This also works for discussing play design with another coach which is always more comfortable sitting face to face. He is viewing in a real position relationship while you can read notes. White boarding for the room....scheme on the bottom so left is left and right is right for the viewers. I learned this from a College Coach. All of my playbooks are basically upside down from the norm but far more useful when I am teaching / reviewing plays to the players. I've never in my career taken a playbook into a huddle. Common for me during pre season for quick reference. Not necessarily bringing a playbook into the huddle but more as an interruption during Scout or Group if there are issues. Learned how to be REAL quick from an upper level guy that I coached with when I helped coach some Pro Arena ball. Works well but is different. People always ask me why my playbooks are upside down and the OP is already in upside down World. |
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 15, 2014 12:56:40 GMT -6
For playbooks... scheme being discussed always on the top. Then you can quick crescent huddle the players on the practice field with your back to the LOS and discuss the play while reading your own notes right side up and the play design is shown in a true position relationship for the players as they face the LOS. This also works for discussing play design with another coach which is always more comfortable sitting face to face. He is viewing in a real position relationship while you can read notes. White boarding for the room....scheme on the bottom so left is left and right is right for the viewers. I learned this from a College Coach. All of my playbooks are basically upside down from the norm but far more useful when I am teaching / reviewing plays to the players. I've never in my career taken a playbook into a huddle. wth is a huddle? |
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 15, 2014 13:02:26 GMT -6
When I draw offense I draw it moving upward. When I draw defense I draw the defense on the bottom moving up.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 15, 2014 14:55:58 GMT -6
I draw everything with the offense on the bottom going up, even as a DC. Cut my teeth in O as a young coach and now as an OL/DC I keep it all the same way. Just the way my brain works. Is there really a correct answer, whatever you can understand is the right way.
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Post by mholst40 on Feb 15, 2014 23:12:14 GMT -6
Whoever is the "emphasis" side of the ball goes on the bottom for me.
I draw our scout offense cards with the scout offense on the bottom.
I draw our defensive playbook with the defense on the bottom.
To me, it's the same perspective you take when looking at the play on the field. At least that's how it works in my mind.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Feb 16, 2014 7:26:39 GMT -6
Using programs like playmaker pro are great because it's simple to flip O/D up/down/left/right without having to do all the work again.
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Post by jg78 on Feb 16, 2014 9:37:08 GMT -6
Whoever is the "emphasis" side of the ball goes on the bottom for me. I draw our scout offense cards with the scout offense on the bottom. I draw our defensive playbook with the defense on the bottom. To me, it's the same perspective you take when looking at the play on the field. At least that's how it works in my mind. Definitely agree when it comes to scout cards. When I'm drawing up schemes on paper or on a board, I always put the offense on the bottom regardless of which side of the ball I am emphasizing. It's just a career-long habit and I see each side of the ball just fine that way. But if I am drawing up cards for a scout defense, I put the D on the bottom to make it easier for them. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 16, 2014 9:45:36 GMT -6
I draw everything with the offense on the bottom going up, even as a DC. Cut my teeth in O as a young coach and now as an OL/DC I keep it all the same way. Just the way my brain works. Is there really a correct answer, whatever you can understand is the right way. If you're just drawing up stuff for yourself it doesn't matter. If you're trying to communicate to others (playbook, whiteboard, scout cards) then the way that they see it is a consideration. |
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