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Post by groundchuck on Feb 6, 2014 19:06:40 GMT -6
I saw on Football Scoop today that Oregon has a double secret list of eight criteria they evaluate recruits by. Of course since it is double secret they wouldn't say what they are. While I have my guesses they are things dealing with academics, character, and other virtues, I'm wondering if anyone knows the classified list.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 7, 2014 0:11:32 GMT -6
This probably isn't very helpful, but every school's criteria is pretty much the same. Some schools will put greater emphasis on certain aspects, but oregon's strategy can't be much different than any other big time program. It's not like they're recruiting a bunch of 2 star hidden gems that have characteristics unlike other recruits.
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Post by Coach.A on Feb 7, 2014 0:22:06 GMT -6
Do you think they would turn away a 5-star recruit that didn't meet their standards in these non-football criteria?
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Post by morris on Feb 7, 2014 1:59:04 GMT -6
Do you think they would turn away a 5-star recruit that didn't meet their standards in these non-football criteria? Turn away or not offer? Two different things there. There are plenty of the top programs that don't offer scholarships to all 5 stars. |
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 7, 2014 6:39:18 GMT -6
One huge attribute that all college's should try to find out is how the player responds to failure or when things don't go their way. In my opinion, a major factor in 4 and 5 star busts is the fact that they don't know how to handle competition. Most, 4 and 5 star recruits have been the best player on the field for their whole life and haven't been tested. Now, they are going to an environment where they are competing for a starting job with other players just as good. How will they respond? How is their work ethic? Will they pack it in and feel sorry for themselves if they have a rough spring ball or will they work even harder?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 19:05:10 GMT -6
One huge attribute that all college's should try to find out is how the player responds to failure or when things don't go their way. In my opinion, a major factor in 4 and 5 star busts is the fact that they don't know how to handle competition. Most, 4 and 5 star recruits have been the best player on the field for their whole life and haven't been tested. Now, they are going to an environment where they are competing for a starting job with other players just as good. How will they respond? How is their work ethic? Will they pack it in and feel sorry for themselves if they have a rough spring ball or will they work even harder? A lot of these guys also don't know how to stay out of trouble. I know that a lot of recruits at Tennessee (nearest BCS school to me) come from environments where they never had anyone at home or at school impose any discipline on them EVER, and they're used to getting away with doing whatever they want, whenever they want, without any consequences. A lot of times coaches, teachers, administrators, even cops and judges will let them off lightly because they don't want to "take away" the golden tickets these kids are born with. So many 4 and 5 star recruits have all the athletic talent in the world, but with all the recognition that comes with being a player for a big time program also comes a level of scrutiny and responsibility that these guys are just not prepared for. How many big time, can't miss, NFL caliber talents wind up booted off their college teams for immature (and criminal) behavior or dropping out of school all together because they can't handle college life? I don't know if Oregon looks at that stuff more than most--it seems like if a kid runs a fast enough 40 time everyone'll look the other way, but to me THAT is probably one of the biggest factors in the big time college busts, as well. |
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Post by jmg999 on Feb 9, 2014 6:55:34 GMT -6
Regardless of which attributes are on that list, I have to wonder if it's all lip-service. I read a 'where are they now?' article on Willie Williams the other day. I'm sure most of you remember him. Well, unsurprisingly, he'll be spending the next two decades in prison. He was an unbelievable talent, who was given opportunity after opportunity, regardless of that fact that he was basically Pacman Jones at 15 years of age. It wasn't until his innate skills didn't translate to the field that programs started to really turn him away. I have a feeling that most programs are willing to overlook just about anything to get the talent they want.
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Post by wolfden12 on Feb 9, 2014 7:37:01 GMT -6
One huge attribute that all college's should try to find out is how the player responds to failure or when things don't go their way. In my opinion, a major factor in 4 and 5 star busts is the fact that they don't know how to handle competition. Most, 4 and 5 star recruits have been the best player on the field for their whole life and haven't been tested. Now, they are going to an environment where they are competing for a starting job with other players just as good. How will they respond? How is their work ethic? Will they pack it in and feel sorry for themselves if they have a rough spring ball or will they work even harder? I agree. I think a mentoring program similar to the one Herman Edwards does for NFL is needed and also provide more than 1 a year. I think kids today in addition to the "gifted ones" haven been or don't like to hear the word NO. For whatever reason, parents, coaches, teachers have allowed these individuals to get away with it and now become habit and a hard habit to break. You see it schools early. Preferential treatment from coaches, girls throwing themselves at them, showing up in stores or businesses and being put on a platform. It goes on at the majority of places with these kids and the fact that when they get to college and the one of the following happens: equal or better competition, injury and drop on depth chart, girl says no, for intense and accountable coaching, etc. I have seen this first hand at several places and it is sad. It is a problem that as an educator I struggle with everyday. Kids thinking they can tell adults no for anything because they think they can, are entitled, or parents haven't set the standard in character development and firm discipline. Personally, I love looking back at out local university and see where kids were and are based on old recruiting stories posted in newsletter. In addition, go back onto scout.com and look at the commitment rankings for kids near the top half. I am not saying this happens to all athletes however, criteria for recruitment should go beyond ht., wt., 40, etc. I understand it is a big business and money drives it and wins bring in money as well as high profile players, but if we can do a better job of evaluating, educating, and working for something larger perhaps schools wouldn't miss on so many young student-athletes. |
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Post by wingtol on Feb 10, 2014 9:50:43 GMT -6
I would bet all colleges have this type of thing they use to look at some recruits, but let's be honest they are in it to win it and take chances on kids all the time. These types of lists are probably there for show and a CYA thing where they can say we'll look we did our due diligence on the kid. They have to. Win or hit the road. And let's be honest most coaches have big ego's on one way or another so the whole "We can change this kid" or "It will be different when he's with us" mentality takes over when dealing with major recruits who may h ave red flags.
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Post by fantom on Feb 10, 2014 10:20:48 GMT -6
I would bet all colleges have this type of thing they use to look at some recruits, but let's be honest they are in it to win it and take chances on kids all the time. These types of lists are probably there for show and a CYA thing where they can say we'll look we did our due diligence on the kid. They have to. Win or hit the road. And let's be honest most coaches have big ego's on one way or another so the whole "We can change this kid" or "It will be different when he's with us" mentality takes over when dealing with major recruits who may h ave red flags. If it's for show then why keep the criteria secret? |
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Post by wingtol on Feb 10, 2014 11:05:28 GMT -6
I would bet all colleges have this type of thing they use to look at some recruits, but let's be honest they are in it to win it and take chances on kids all the time. These types of lists are probably there for show and a CYA thing where they can say we'll look we did our due diligence on the kid. They have to. Win or hit the road. And let's be honest most coaches have big ego's on one way or another so the whole "We can change this kid" or "It will be different when he's with us" mentality takes over when dealing with major recruits who may h ave red flags. If it's for show then why keep the criteria secret? I'm saying more along the lines of they have it on paper and I am sure use it so if a kid gets in trouble or whatever and the University comes back to the football program saying what the f*** they pull it out and say well we looked at him using these criteria. Let's be honest there are a lot of dudes playing D1 football that shouldn't be in college, but you never hear a coach saying "Oh yeah he's a risk and we know of his past but he runs a 4.3 so..." They all talk about how they research character and all that of their players. |
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 10, 2014 16:31:35 GMT -6
The "mid majors" as they say in bball are the schools that benefit from the at risk players that the top notch schools stay away from, or transfer out from. One example is UCF 's rb Storm Johnson. He had a lot of problems at Miami, transferred, and made a huge impact for UCF this year.
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