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Post by nltdiego on Jan 21, 2014 7:44:12 GMT -6
Just thinking of Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll after this weekend and how they have changed the cultures and programs at the NFL and College level.
At the high school level, what makes a HC able to:
Change a program around?
How do you get buy in?
Discipline but at the same time get respect from the team?
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Post by tekart on Jan 21, 2014 8:22:12 GMT -6
Work ethic and rapport with the kids.
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Post by doublewing on Jan 21, 2014 8:23:59 GMT -6
Cooperative and athletic minded administration
Good feeder programs
Quality assistants, even more so at the lower levels
Talent and system in place to develop that talent
Time and patience to develop the program
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Post by joelee on Jan 21, 2014 8:27:40 GMT -6
Yesterday Trent Dilfer was talking on the radio and he said the great coach, "gets the most from the least AND the best from the best".
I have seen coaches who could do one or the other but rarely do you see both in one guy.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jan 21, 2014 8:44:57 GMT -6
I've always felt that the best coaches simply know how to manage people.
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Post by coachweav88 on Jan 21, 2014 9:11:46 GMT -6
In thinking about this question, I think about Frosty Westering as a great coach. In my mind, what makes him great is the joy and satisfaction of playing the game that he instilled in his players. Regardless of the score, his teams enjoyed playing the game. He created an environment of challenge, confidence, and caring.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 21, 2014 10:06:36 GMT -6
This is a great topic!
Always think that the ability to adapt and build relationships regardless of environment separates the good ones from the great ones. Can a guy from the north be successful in the south and vise versa? Are players coaches more successful than disciplinarian's?
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Post by gdn56 on Jan 21, 2014 10:13:11 GMT -6
I think it is about managing people, but also about building relationships with the people you need to be successful. You can be a great manager of players, have them buy-in and play hard, but success won't be sustainable if you can't build relationships with the community, admin team, etc. It really is a relationship business. I think that's why coaches with such different formulas for success can win or lose in such drastically different situations.
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Post by blb on Jan 21, 2014 10:19:45 GMT -6
In the NFL, it's a great owner and a great QB.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 21, 2014 10:38:17 GMT -6
Great coaches win the players before they win a game.
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Post by coach2013 on Jan 21, 2014 10:55:26 GMT -6
Great coaches have a vision and stay the course.
Every sucky coach I have ever known had no plan and was eaily swayed by every assistant who thought he had all of the answers.
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Post by td4tc on Jan 21, 2014 18:35:48 GMT -6
To Be A Great Head Coach
You need a patient Wife, a loyal Dog and a Great Quarterback
quote from Bud Grant?
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Post by morris on Jan 21, 2014 19:35:30 GMT -6
To Be A Great Head Coach You need a patient Wife, a loyal Dog and a Great Quarterback quote from Bud Grant? Yep he said that. There's more to the qoute but I forget what it is. Something along the lines of you always end up with the dog or something. |
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Post by td4tc on Jan 21, 2014 20:52:13 GMT -6
Hey Mo. The rest the quote i think is "and not necessarily in that order"
Pretty true when you think about it for all of us who have dogs. They love ya win or lose
To the original thread it is interesting that the poster mentions Carroll (they don't care how much you know until they know how much you care) and Harbaugh (Mr Intense). They seem pretty different in their approaches. Yet both have a big buy in by the players as does Belechuk in an even different way. Some are "players coaches" and others are not. Lots of ways to skin a cat.
My mentor taught me a few little things that helped me.
1) don't coddle and hype the rookies or they will think its too easy
2) praise their effort not their talent or they will think its too easy
3) Be strict early on (be nice later) or they will think its too easy
DON'T LET THEM THINK ANYTHING ABOUT THIS GAME IS EASY ... IT'S NOT
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Post by souza12 on Jan 21, 2014 22:38:32 GMT -6
Great coaches have a vision and stay the course. Every sucky coach I have ever known had no plan and was eaily swayed by every assistant who thought he had all of the answers. That was me this year as a first year HC... i was terrible. Live n learn |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Jan 21, 2014 22:42:31 GMT -6
souza12: Self-awareness as a HC is always a great sign. I'm sure you will improve.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 21, 2014 23:21:06 GMT -6
Don't forget a healthy dose of luck.
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Post by 2adaysfootballcom on Jan 22, 2014 2:05:35 GMT -6
Although I always say luck is preparation and opportunity. When somebody gets lucky is because preparation met opportunity.
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Post by jg78 on Jan 22, 2014 7:16:42 GMT -6
Don't forget a healthy dose of luck. I do think timing can be important to a head coach's success. No question about it, actually. A high school coach getting hired at the front end of a great run of talent is a big advantage. Or an NFL coach being hired and inheriting the #1 draft pick the year Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck is coming out. College coaches are a little more bankable because they can go out and recruit their players and being a good salesman is a very important attribute. All the usual coaching qualities are, of course, very important. But there is often a timing aspect that can greatly impact your success at a given school. |
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Post by coach2013 on Jan 22, 2014 7:53:36 GMT -6
I actually have the time to respond to this
1) vision and some stubbornness to stay the course (not at all wishy washy)
2) tremendous work ethic
3) surrounds himself with good people and lets them coach (trust and accountability)
4) solid identity/systems and schemes for the program
5) football IQ- some great coaches lack xs and os but they remain students of game and become better turning weakness into strength, meanwhile they hire guys smarter then them
6) motivators, psychology wizards- get the most out of the least or find a way to get better kids out for football.
7) drum up support of admin and community/parents and never seem to have a bankrupt program
8) organizations skills/time management/good at prioritizing and worrying only about the things they can control
9) thick skin
10) they balance faith family football and teaching or whatever they do for a living- hey can sustain that crazy work ethic
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Post by fantom on Jan 22, 2014 8:41:18 GMT -6
I think that one important quality of a great header is the ability to evaluate talent. They know their people's strengths and weaknesses and utilize those strengths while minimizing their weaknesses. I'm not just talking about players. To have a great program a HC needs a great staff. In HS football it's rare when you find a staff where each assistant is equally committed and capable. Great HCs find ways for each of them to contribute to the program.
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Post by coachvann on Jan 22, 2014 19:27:25 GMT -6
One that truly loves ALL his players...knows the third string center as well as his all state quarterback.
Then when you see both those boys take care of each other! Caught not taught.
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Post by td4tc on Jan 23, 2014 16:58:08 GMT -6
I think that one important quality of a great header is the ability to evaluate talent. They know their people's strengths and weaknesses and utilize those strengths while minimizing their weaknesses. I'm not just talking about players. To have a great program a HC needs a great staff. In HS football it's rare when you find a staff where each assistant is equally committed and capable. Great HCs find ways for each of them to contribute to the program. Right on Fantom regarding talent. Also in HS, the evaluation of WHERE to put guys is critical. Converting that WR to DB for example cause he doesn't catch it as good as his dad thinks.. Sometimes they don't want to play where you think they would help the most eg OLINE but selling them on that is an art. Best thing i ever did was recruit all the disgruntled hockey guys (make great safeties) and a few Bball guys that were sitting on the bench to play WR. In HS, you gotta recruit who is already at the school and find some hidden gems. |
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Post by davishfc on Jan 25, 2014 4:01:45 GMT -6
Although I always say luck is preparation and opportunity. When somebody gets lucky is because preparation met opportunity. Even when the ball is rolling around on the turf? No matter the level of preparation or magnitude of opportunity, there is an element outside of those two factors that influences the outcome of games…it's luck. |
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Post by davishfc on Jan 25, 2014 4:16:09 GMT -6
I think that one important quality of a great header is the ability to evaluate talent. They know their people's strengths and weaknesses and utilize those strengths while minimizing their weaknesses. I'm not just talking about players. To have a great program a HC needs a great staff. In HS football it's rare when you find a staff where each assistant is equally committed and capable. Great HCs find ways for each of them to contribute to the program. This is so true fantom. Great head coaches recruit, evaluate, utilize, and develop skills in both their players and assistant coaches. In HS football it's rare when you find a staff where each assistant is equally committed and capable. This couldn't be any more accurate about high school assistant coaches. Sometimes the most capable assistants are less committed. Sometimes the most committed assistants are less capable. It's rare to find both of those traits at a high level in many assistants. But the great head coaches find ways for each of them to contribute to the program. Outstanding post fantom! |
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Post by coach2013 on Jan 25, 2014 5:35:52 GMT -6
Many great head coaches have a great staff that stays in tact for years.
I would bet that in most cases a "great" HC is certainly not working with a bunch of strangers.
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Post by realdawg on Jan 25, 2014 6:31:19 GMT -6
Agree with alot of things said. Great post about timing, especially in HS. Our HC who recently resigned to take another job came in after we went 1-10 (only losing record in 13 seasons) but it was at the beginning of the best 4 or 5 year run of talent I have seen at the school. We went something like 51-17 while he was HC here. Also, I think DCohio's post is spot on. You can coach'em hard and get all over them if they know you love them and will take care of them. I'd like to work for DCohio even though he is a yankee! Also, think that having a great staff that stays intact for several years is key. Before we were 1-10 that year we had been very successful with practically the same staff for 5 years. The year before that staff began to leave to pursue other opportunities and we werent able to replace them.
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