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Post by joelee on Jan 16, 2014 12:44:54 GMT -6
The older I get and the more great programs I visit the more I am starting to believe that what you SAY to your kids in the off season program is more important that what you actually are doing in the off season program. I'm not saying lifting and running and agilities aren't important, they are. I'm saying the elite programs I have encountered are all doing different versions of those things but the thing they have in common is that they are psychologically programming their kids while they do it. Agree or disagree?
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Post by mholst40 on Jan 17, 2014 0:08:13 GMT -6
The older I get and the more great programs I visit the more I am starting to believe that what you SAY to your kids in the off season program is more important that what you actually are doing in the off season program. I'm not saying lifting and running and agilities aren't important, they are. I'm saying the elite programs I have encountered are all doing different versions of those things but the thing they have in common is that they are psychologically programming their kids while they do it. Agree or disagree? Give me an example of what you mean. Are you talking about how they instill discipline, mental toughness?
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Post by coachb0 on Jan 17, 2014 8:20:51 GMT -6
maybe it's not what they do, but how they do it. if you have the right mindset (which you can instill via propaganda), you will do things the right way: with discipline, intensity, focus, .. there is a huge difference between a workout and a workout, even if both contain the same excercises, sets, reps and weight.
this doesn't only translates to the field by how strong they've got, but what mindset they have, when facing adversity. like dcohio said, if they worked with intensity and focus for the whole offseason, they will do so in the game, because they learned how to handle it and are used to doing it this way.
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Post by CS on Jan 17, 2014 8:28:01 GMT -6
I agree somewhat. I have said this before but there are lots of ways to run a weight room. The most effective way to do any offseason is to keep energy high as coaches. Encourage the kids with better form to help teach and act like a fool when someone does something even mediocre if its something they have never done before.
Make the kids feel good about working hard and they will. The disagreement is that I have seen that menatlity in a weight room with kids doing more weight than they should with crap form and that is a problem. Menatlity is good, program not so much.
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Post by joelee on Jan 17, 2014 8:58:55 GMT -6
I'm not talking about the actual weightlifting, which is why I didn't put this in the off season folder. I'm talking about the verbal programming that goes on. DCOHIO got it. I could give a rip if my guys are any good at doing push ups for example, but I have them doing 100 every day on a cadence exactly when and how I say. I want to have them learn to do what I say when and how I say it. I want them to do some painful things and keep their mouth shut instead of complaining. I want them to learn to turn their mind down and become part of the machine. All the while we are telling them that this shows us who we can count on. If you don't break down in here, you won't break on the field. We tell them that the things they do now are what separates us from everyone else on our schedule. We tell them how our rival has the same or better talent than us but they never get over the hump because when things get tough they do their own thing and we do what the heck we are told and how we are told to do it. There is no team or player you can ever fear because you know they haven't been through what you have been through. Expectations never change we are going after the gold rings and it doesn't matter who graduated, we are a machine. When you look your opponent in the eye you will see he isn't the rock you are, I don't care how big or fast he is. We talk about the 4 or 5 teams we beat last year with more talent than us. We talk about the 2 last minute comebacks we had. We talk about winning on the road. All because of what we do. We talk about the 2 best teams on our schedule and what we are doing better than them. We talk about our #1 playoff rival and how they are hunting us but they can't win because of what we do. We talk about winning the championship every day and winning it because of what we are doing from January to July. Propaganda, every day, all day, all off season. Our coaches are running their mouth all day about these talking points.
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Post by CS on Jan 17, 2014 9:14:35 GMT -6
I understand and I added the last part just as a extra tid bit. But the rest of my post applies. If you keep the energy up the intesity level goes up and the kids get used to performing at a higher level. They learn to push each other in that type of environment.
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Post by coach2013 on Jan 17, 2014 11:11:15 GMT -6
We tell our kids " We can talk about being tough or we can DO tough things" and then follow that up with some very hard work. That works for many of them. We get much more out of our kids by stressing the "toughness" thing.
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Post by cwaltsmith on Jan 18, 2014 12:39:49 GMT -6
I totally agree. There are million weight programs and all have been successful. Its all about buy in and drive. You get stronger by moving weight intensly period. winning and losing is contagious and it starts in the off season. Getting the kids to believe and see themselves improving is biggest thing.
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Post by spartan on Jan 18, 2014 19:25:59 GMT -6
Wow, we just had this discussion about why our program is on the upswing as a staff yesterday and its not that we are doing anything different in the off season, we are making it mandatory that all juniors take my leader ship class. I follow the Manual Chapter by chapter word by word. www.amazon.ca/The-Team-Captains-leadership-manual/dp/1892882116
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jan 19, 2014 19:35:18 GMT -6
During our 0-10 season in 2007, I researched propaganda (and found over 100 definable types...lol), spin, mental conditioning, brain washing, hypnosis, voodoo, and witchcraft....none of it worked
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Post by fantom on Jan 22, 2014 17:35:15 GMT -6
The older I get and the more great programs I visit the more I am starting to believe that what you SAY to your kids in the off season program is more important that what you actually are doing in the off season program. I'm not saying lifting and running and agilities aren't important, they are. I'm saying the elite programs I have encountered are all doing different versions of those things but the thing they have in common is that they are psychologically programming their kids while they do it. Agree or disagree? As others have said, the offseason sets the tone. They learn how to follow directions and to work hard. You also use it indoctrinate them that we're working hard for a goal. Like most coaches here we try to make them paranoid that our opponents may be working harder than we are. I do think there's value in those "extra effort" exercises. The other day since the weather was good we had Nascar Day: after they finished our core exercises the OL came outside and pushed my car around the parking lot. I have no illusions that doing this a couple of times a year is doing anything physiologically but I think that pushing through those last ten yards helps them dig down and find that determination. I think that stuff like this works best if you use them sparingly. The next day the kids all asked if we could do it again. We will but not soon. I want them to look forward to these challenges, not consider them a death march.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 22, 2014 19:44:50 GMT -6
The older I get and the more great programs I visit the more I am starting to believe that what you SAY to your kids in the off season program is more important that what you actually are doing in the off season program. I'm not saying lifting and running and agilities aren't important, they are. I'm saying the elite programs I have encountered are all doing different versions of those things but the thing they have in common is that they are psychologically programming their kids while they do it. Agree or disagree? Disagree. What you say is important, but what you do is what you DO!!!!
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