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Post by nltdiego on Jan 13, 2014 21:20:58 GMT -6
Coaches,
I'm looking to revise and change a few things of our weekly practice schedule. I would love to hear what you do, what works and why. Here is what we do:
Saturday: 800-900: Kids Arrive and Stretch and Lift
9-11: Watch the film from friday night I feel as those two hours is long and kids are not focused. Also, not all kids are there due to SAT class and work
Monday: 320-545/6ish 15 mins: Special Teams 1 hour: D 1 hour: O
Tuesday 320-545/6ish 15 mins: Special Teams 1 hour: D 1 hour: O
Wednesday 320-545/6ish 15 mins: Special Teams 1 hour: D 1 hour: O
*I feel as though sometimes going over 2 hours is too long and kids lose focus. Is less more? *
Thursday: 320-445: Walk Thru 15 mins - O 15 mins - D 50 mins - Special Teams
This entire practice is walk thru
Friday: 315-400: Pregame Meal 400-430: Walk thru in street clothes
We have a weights class and will watch some scout film during the week as season goes. I feel that the kids by week 6-7 got burnt out from the length of practice.
I would really like to hear thoughts or see what other coaches do for the week.
Thanks!
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Post by jsk002 on Jan 13, 2014 22:47:10 GMT -6
I am a more is less type of guy. I wasn't always - but now realize that the longer practices really do wear on kids. I've found we have been more productive when the kids know they don't have a marathon practice. The shortest I can get things to is 2.5 hours but that includes 30 minutes of meeting / lifting off the field and 2 hours on the field. I agree that 2 plus hour film sessions, kids lose focus. I've done them but think I need to change this up. This is what I am looking at for next year:
MONDAY
3:30 – 4:30 – Lift 4:30 – 5:00 - 30 Minute Review Friday Night’s Film 5:00 – 5:15 – D Game Plan 5:15 – 5:30 – O Game Plan
TUESDAY – DEFENSIVE DAY
3:30 – 3:50 – Special Teams Meeting 3:50 – 4:00 – Film – Opponent Favorite Plays 4:00 – 4:10 – Warm - Up 4:10 – 4:20 – Live Period 4:20 – 4:30 – Special Teams 4:30 – 4:50 – Indy Offense 4:50 – 5:20 – Indy Defense (Include pursuit) 5:20 – 5:35 – Defensive Skelly (DL – Pass Rush and / or Chutes / Sled) 5:35 – 5:50 – Defensive Inside Run (DB's 1 on 1's) 5:50 – 6:00 - Tackle
WEDNESDAY – OFFENSIVE DAY
3:30 – 4:00 – Lift 4:00 – 4:20 – Special Teams 4:20 – 4:40 – TEAM D – Top 3 Pass / Top 3 Run Plays 4:40 – 6:00 – Offense (My OC will break this down further, just giving him a block of time at this point.)
THURSDAY
3:30 – 3:40 – Warm Up 3:40 – 3:50 – Speed Training 3:50 – 4:10 – Special Teams 4:10 – 4:35– Offense 4:35 – 4:40– Tackle 4:40 – 5:00 – Team D
SATURDAY
9:00 – 10:30
Varsity – Run / lift / Stretch JV – On the Field - TEAM
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Post by norcaldiaz on Jan 13, 2014 23:35:15 GMT -6
Being on campus helps out a lot. Where I was at last year I was one of 3 on-campus coaches so we had film in position groups at lunch 3 to 4 days a week. We felt like doing this eliminated the need for weekend film sessions for the players.
SAT/SUN No players, coaches tag/watch film (from home), begin planning via conference call Sun evening
MONDAY (Shells) Review previous game Defensive film at lunch Lower body lift 7th period (2:30-3:30) Review previous game Offensive film 3:45-4:30ish Monday Gassers/Penalty/Loaf Conditioning till about 5:15 Walkthru for about 15 mins, off field by 5:30 HC & Coordinators meet to finalize scripts after practice
TUESDAY (Full Gear) Next opponent film at lunch Start practice 7th period Defensive practice (KO/KOR halfway through) 3:00-5:30 **Our DC was notorious for going way over schedule
WEDNESDAY (Full Gear) Next opponent film at lunch Upper body lift 7th period 2:30-3:15 Offensive practice (PAT/Punt/PR halfway through) 3:30-5:30 Include 2-min drill, 3rd downs and goal line situationals
THURSDAY (Helmets only) May do film depending on if we felt the players needed it Start practice 7th period Special teams 2:45-3:15 Defensive Walkthru 3:15-3:45 Offensive Walkthru 3:45-4:15 Head into locker room Team Pow-Wow 4:45-5:30ish
FRIDAY No lunch film (unless players request it on their own, happened maybe once) Team meal 7th Period Special Teams callouts in street clothes Watch JV game/travel
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Post by nltdiego on Jan 14, 2014 7:53:18 GMT -6
Being on campus helps out a lot. Where I was at last year I was one of 3 on-campus coaches so we had film in position groups at lunch 3 to 4 days a week. We felt like doing this eliminated the need for weekend film sessions for the players. SAT/SUN No players, coaches tag/watch film (from home), begin planning via conference call Sun evening MONDAY (Shells) Review previous game Defensive film at lunch Lower body lift 7th period (2:30-3:30) Review previous game Offensive film 3:45-4:30ish Monday Gassers/Penalty/Loaf Conditioning till about 5:15 Walkthru for about 15 mins, off field by 5:30 HC & Coordinators meet to finalize scripts after practice TUESDAY (Full Gear) Next opponent film at lunch Start practice 7th period Defensive practice (KO/KOR halfway through) 3:00-5:30 **Our DC was notorious for going way over schedule WEDNESDAY (Full Gear) Next opponent film at lunch Upper body lift 7th period 2:30-3:15 Offensive practice (PAT/Punt/PR halfway through) 3:30-5:30 Include 2-min drill, 3rd downs and goal line situationals THURSDAY (Helmets only) May do film depending on if we felt the players needed it Start practice 7th period Special teams 2:45-3:15 Defensive Walkthru 3:15-3:45 Offensive Walkthru 3:45-4:15 Head into locker room Team Pow-Wow 4:45-5:30ish FRIDAY No lunch film (unless players request it on their own, happened maybe once) Team meal 7th Period Special Teams callouts in street clothes Watch JV game/travel This is what I would exactly want to do. I'm the HC so I can make this change but my assistants argue that it is little time to prepare. Also, I feel like this makes you prepare for scheme but not technique and our issue is we lose games to technique not scheme. Do you feel as though you are having enough time to prepare with this schedule? How has you team done with it?
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Post by norcaldiaz on Jan 14, 2014 9:24:13 GMT -6
Being on campus helps out a lot. Where I was at last year I was one of 3 on-campus coaches so we had film in position groups at lunch 3 to 4 days a week. We felt like doing this eliminated the need for weekend film sessions for the players. SAT/SUN No players, coaches tag/watch film (from home), begin planning via conference call Sun evening MONDAY (Shells) Review previous game Defensive film at lunch Lower body lift 7th period (2:30-3:30) Review previous game Offensive film 3:45-4:30ish Monday Gassers/Penalty/Loaf Conditioning till about 5:15 Walkthru for about 15 mins, off field by 5:30 HC & Coordinators meet to finalize scripts after practice TUESDAY (Full Gear) Next opponent film at lunch Start practice 7th period Defensive practice (KO/KOR halfway through) 3:00-5:30 **Our DC was notorious for going way over schedule WEDNESDAY (Full Gear) Next opponent film at lunch Upper body lift 7th period 2:30-3:15 Offensive practice (PAT/Punt/PR halfway through) 3:30-5:30 Include 2-min drill, 3rd downs and goal line situationals THURSDAY (Helmets only) May do film depending on if we felt the players needed it Start practice 7th period Special teams 2:45-3:15 Defensive Walkthru 3:15-3:45 Offensive Walkthru 3:45-4:15 Head into locker room Team Pow-Wow 4:45-5:30ish FRIDAY No lunch film (unless players request it on their own, happened maybe once) Team meal 7th Period Special Teams callouts in street clothes Watch JV game/travel This is what I would exactly want to do. I'm the HC so I can make this change but my assistants argue that it is little time to prepare. Also, I feel like this makes you prepare for scheme but not technique and our issue is we lose games to technique not scheme. Do you feel as though you are having enough time to prepare with this schedule? How has you team done with it? Truth is, we were somewhat limited by being required to be off the field by 5:30 (the BAND had the field reserved if you can believe that). However by doing lunch film and having a tough conditioning Monday, we felt we could make the most of our Tues/Wed practices and not spend much time working on anything other than our fundamentals and scheme on those days. We also were pretty blessed to have a great summer/spring program to begin teaching technique for much of the year. During the offseason we could work football technique (OL on boards, QB/WR throw routes, etc) legally as long as it was between the bells of the 7th period PE class. We would typically do this twice a week (and lift the other 3 days) once March rolls around in the PE class.
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Post by adawg2302 on Jan 14, 2014 10:33:18 GMT -6
Less is more IMO. One of the best things we did this past year was actually follow our practice plan timeline...so if our Indy period ended at 4:00pm and transitioned into inside run, for example, we ended our indy period at 4pm! This was quite a change from previous years, but I believe it helped us (coaches) teach / coach smarter & quicker, kept the tempo up at practice ("Hey guys, we have 2 minutes to finish _______, let's go!). We practice between 2 hours and 2 hours 15 min.
One more thing we encouraged was to get guys out to practice before practice actually began (pre-practice). We did not make it mandatory but the majority of our coaches would be at the field 15-30 min early and the players would work on snaps, kicking, pass routes, etc...good way to get extra work in AND see who really wanted to get better.
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Post by nltdiego on Jan 15, 2014 7:36:55 GMT -6
This is what I would exactly want to do. I'm the HC so I can make this change but my assistants argue that it is little time to prepare. Also, I feel like this makes you prepare for scheme but not technique and our issue is we lose games to technique not scheme. Do you feel as though you are having enough time to prepare with this schedule? How has you team done with it? Truth is, we were somewhat limited by being required to be off the field by 5:30 (the BAND had the field reserved if you can believe that). However by doing lunch film and having a tough conditioning Monday, we felt we could make the most of our Tues/Wed practices and not spend much time working on anything other than our fundamentals and scheme on those days. We also were pretty blessed to have a great summer/spring program to begin teaching technique for much of the year. During the offseason we could work football technique (OL on boards, QB/WR throw routes, etc) legally as long as it was between the bells of the 7th period PE class. We would typically do this twice a week (and lift the other 3 days) once March rolls around in the PE class. Are you in CA? We are as well and have a PE class so I'm curious what we can do. Can we use balls in CA? Is it based on district or school?
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Post by mholst40 on Jan 17, 2014 0:14:50 GMT -6
Truth is, we were somewhat limited by being required to be off the field by 5:30 (the BAND had the field reserved if you can believe that). However by doing lunch film and having a tough conditioning Monday, we felt we could make the most of our Tues/Wed practices and not spend much time working on anything other than our fundamentals and scheme on those days. We also were pretty blessed to have a great summer/spring program to begin teaching technique for much of the year. During the offseason we could work football technique (OL on boards, QB/WR throw routes, etc) legally as long as it was between the bells of the 7th period PE class. We would typically do this twice a week (and lift the other 3 days) once March rolls around in the PE class. Are you in CA? We are as well and have a PE class so I'm curious what we can do. Can we use balls in CA? Is it based on district or school? I'm not sure how having an actual class makes it different, but each section has their own rules in regards to balls and equipment.
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 17, 2014 5:24:29 GMT -6
During the season: Monday was all weights and film but early in the season would walk through added plays for the week and walked through the opposing team's offense if it was unfamiliar-many did the same stuff. Tuesday and Wednesday would look a lot like this: 3:15 to 3:30 Pass routes and plays. 3:30-3:50 1 or 2 special teams 3:50-4:30 Defense 4:30-5:10 Offense (didn't do a lot of passing during this session-DW) Pre-season was one practice from 8-11 in the morning. All of this was somewhat less than the previous 32 years but we were fortunate to win states this year. I've really got to think about this streamlining. We streamlined a little last year also so they saw it and this year we had 15 more kids for varsity than ever. Coincidence or something to think about. ??
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 17, 2014 5:26:26 GMT -6
Also-no warm-ups at all. Went right into practice.
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Post by nltdiego on Jan 17, 2014 7:03:38 GMT -6
Streamlined?
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Post by jsk002 on Jan 17, 2014 7:46:42 GMT -6
Also-no warm-ups at all. Went right into practice. Do you feel like you had more injuries by not warming up? How intense was that first passing period?
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 17, 2014 20:49:18 GMT -6
Passing session was like pass skel. Just skill guys and mostly with secondary. . No major injuries, though haven't done warmups for years. Kids who have to come into games in the middle of the game don't do warm-ups. Always been a contrarian thing of mine I guess. I would say the practices are streamlined based on the lengths of most of the practices mentioned in many of these threads. Just my opinion.
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Post by hawk18 on Feb 14, 2014 20:05:28 GMT -6
We have a couple of Weight Training classes during the day which allows us to get our lifts in before school is out.
Monday (Shells) 3:30 - 3:40 Warm Ups 3:40 - 4:00 Gassers/PIE (Personal Improvement Exercises) *Stole this from Coach Plaa 4:00 - 4:30 Defense (DC Plans this time) 4:30 - 5:00 Offense
Tuesday (Full Gear) Defensive Day 3:30 - 3:45 Warm Ups 3:45 - 4:00 Sp. Teams 4:00 - 4:30 Offense 4:30 - 5:30 Defense 5:30 - 5:40 Tempo and Finish
Wednesday (Full Gear) Offensive Day 3:30 - 3:45 Warm Ups 3:45 - 4:00 Sp. Teams 4:00 - 4:30 Defense 4:30 - 4:40 Live Period 4:40 - 5:00 Off. Indy 5:00 - 5:10 Tempo and Finish 5:10 - 5:25 Inside Run (WR/DB 1 on 1 and Screens) 5:25 - 5:40 7 on 7 (OL/DL Pass Rush/Pass Pro and Screens)
Thursday (Helmets) We follow our pre-game script. We send specialists out first, then skill, then line. Team Stretch Roll Call Script Usually off the field by 5:00, sometimes sooner
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Post by jsk002 on Feb 17, 2014 20:06:57 GMT -6
Lion doesnt stretch before it hunts A world class sprinter doesn't run a race before he warms up. My thought is that there is value to warming up.
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Post by coachklee on Feb 18, 2014 9:36:14 GMT -6
Lion doesnt stretch before it hunts A world class sprinter doesn't run a race before he warms up. My thought is that there is value to warming up. And the lion usually takes awhile patiently stalking after the prey at a slower pace...carefully selecting the easiest prey...probably with a constant adrenaline build-up in the blood stream anticipating the kill. On the other hand, I did agree with a HC that explained one of his older assistants pointed out that when he was in Vietnam they didn't exactly take time to "warm-up" when they come under attack by the Vietcong...of course the adrenaline level probably goes way up quite quickly there too. I need to focus and knock out another Master's project on this snow day because I've spent way more time on huey here than I had planned.
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Post by blb on Feb 18, 2014 9:46:57 GMT -6
A world class sprinter doesn't run a race before he warms up. My thought is that there is value to warming up. And the lion usually takes awhile patiently stalking after the prey at a slower pace...carefully selecting the easiest prey...probably with a constant adrenaline build-up in the blood stream anticipating the kill. On the other hand, I did agree with a HC that explained one of his older assistants pointed out that when he was in Vietnam they didn't exactly take time to "warm-up" when they come under attack by the Vietcong...of course the adrenaline level probably goes way up quite quickly there too. I need to focus and knock out another Master's project on this snow day because I've spent way more time on huey here than I had planned.
We've had this discussion before. Last time someone posted photo of big cat (lion, tiger, or leopard) stretching.
Cats actually stretch a LOT when they first arise (unless startled of course). Unfortunately I know because we have two house cats.
My feeling is Flexibility is an asset teenage kids need to continue to develop while they're still growing-maturing. We don't do it every day much less every practice but the fact that it may not be the best Warm-Up method does not mean it should be eliminated entirely, whether you do it at beginning or end of practice.
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Post by jsk002 on Feb 18, 2014 21:40:24 GMT -6
We don't do a static stretch as part of our warm-up, it is all dynamic. If we are going to do a static stretch we do that as part of a cool down, but we typically only do that once a week. I like a dynamic warm-up because I think it allows the kids to work coordination, athletic movements and get warm-up all at the same time. It's also the track coach in me - I would never have the kids do a hard sprint workout without a proper warm-up. This to me is just risking injury. I don't look at football all that much different.
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Post by irishdog on Feb 20, 2014 10:26:35 GMT -6
Being on campus helps out a lot. Where I was at last year I was one of 3 on-campus coaches so we had film in position groups at lunch 3 to 4 days a week. We felt like doing this eliminated the need for weekend film sessions for the players. SAT/SUN No players, coaches tag/watch film (from home), begin planning via conference call Sun evening MONDAY (Shells) Review previous game Defensive film at lunch Lower body lift 7th period (2:30-3:30) Review previous game Offensive film 3:45-4:30ish Monday Gassers/Penalty/Loaf Conditioning till about 5:15 Walkthru for about 15 mins, off field by 5:30 HC & Coordinators meet to finalize scripts after practice TUESDAY (Full Gear) Next opponent film at lunch Start practice 7th period Defensive practice (KO/KOR halfway through) 3:00-5:30 **Our DC was notorious for going way over schedule WEDNESDAY (Full Gear) Next opponent film at lunch Upper body lift 7th period 2:30-3:15 Offensive practice (PAT/Punt/PR halfway through) 3:30-5:30 Include 2-min drill, 3rd downs and goal line situationals THURSDAY (Helmets only) May do film depending on if we felt the players needed it Start practice 7th period Special teams 2:45-3:15 Defensive Walkthru 3:15-3:45 Offensive Walkthru 3:45-4:15 Head into locker room Team Pow-Wow 4:45-5:30ish FRIDAY No lunch film (unless players request it on their own, happened maybe once) Team meal 7th Period Special Teams callouts in street clothes Watch JV game/travel Very similar to what my practice week looks like. Slight differences: SAT - team in for light stretch and workout (1 hour). MON - V Weights (40 minutes - Core lifts only) - JV Study Table Team O/D Review and Preview - Uppers - Remove SP's for conditioning Conditioning - "The Game" 4 sets of 20 yard sprints 12 each (timed- B's & E's - Linemen) (12 represents the minutes of each quarter) 30 sec recovery time between sprints (20 yards represents the length of each play) must meet time each sprint (adjust times to ability) (4 sets represents the number of quarters in a game) 3 min between "quarters" (MON practices last between 1.5 to 2 hours) TUE - JV Weights - V Study Table Practice emphasis on D - 30 min. Team O at end of practice - Full gear (TUE practice length on the field appx 2 hrs.)
WED - V Weights - JV Study Table Practice emphasis on O - 30 min. Team D at end of practice - Full gear (WED practice length on the field appx 2 hrs.)
THU - Film - 40 minutes Game simulation script - Helmets only (THU practice length on the field appx 1 hour)
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