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Post by gamedog on Jan 10, 2007 10:11:02 GMT -6
Most people are true spread or true slot t or true split back veer. Do any of you combine a few concepts of each? Do you have your true, blue stuff and then add special packages, or what?
What problems could arise in trying to combine the different types of offense(especially blocking wise)?
What are the pluses to combining concepts?
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Post by raider7342 on Jan 10, 2007 10:53:40 GMT -6
tried combining wing-t stuff with spread last year. needed to improve run game. didn't go to well since we didnt run true wing -t. ran this formation with wing - t rules.
x t g c g t z w q w f had some success but not as much as i liked. we just didn't have time to rep it at practice and still throw the ball like we needed. i may or may not scrap it for next year. still have to work on run game though. practice time was the difference for us and the difference in the blocking scheme.
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Post by raider7342 on Jan 10, 2007 10:55:18 GMT -6
messed up formation. it is x & z as wide outs. two wings 1-1 off ot butt and qb under center with fb
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Post by billyclydepuckett on Jan 10, 2007 11:05:20 GMT -6
Going into my third year as on OC....if we all don't get run off here in the next two months that is. First year with a first year HC who also had to be the DC, we ran your dads wing-t. TE and Wing sets running the Buck, Belly Series, with a small amount of the Jet attack. Felt like that was all we could do because we got control of the program late in the previous Spring and had no off-season. Last season we went no huddle and scrapped the TE looks and used primarly double wing sets and the Jet and Rocket were the base of our offense with their companion plays. Next season we will still be no no huddle but are adding the shotgun AND a nasty slot look with the shotgun. We will still be running the Jet and Rocket stuff and go back to using more of the Buck Series with the QB running the Buck Sweep. Like I said....IF we don't all get the heck out of here first. We are really excited about the way the offense is progressing. We feel like we are doing things that nobody else our opponents face does and forces the "bad guys" to prepare especially for us. We truly believe in what we are doing and to me that is the most important thing to have in your offensive system. Good topic, like the vast majority of threads on this site. This is without a doubt in my humble opinion the best fooball board out there.
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Post by tog on Jan 10, 2007 14:23:10 GMT -6
as long as the blocking schemes have carryover---things within it that can be taught in smaller chunks and then used as building blocks
"johnny, you know how we double team? well, this is like that, but we add this to it"
and if the blocking scheme or play does have differences from a base play, then find ways to do it where it affects the least amount of people as possible and tag the playcall so it easier for them to know what to do that is different than usuall
our offense has elements of wing t, flexbone, traditional spread, and power plays in it the cool thing about how we have it set up is, we can adapt into each element more or less depending on the talent available
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Post by CoachJ on Jan 11, 2007 11:47:51 GMT -6
We run various different schemes. We do some wing T, some veer, some spread, and a little pro split backs. We can go from 5 wide to pro splitbacks and use various other shifts.
All of our blocking schemes are essentially the exact same. We use a tag word that effects 1 to 2 players, but otherwise are base blocking scheme.
With tag words, we have a total of 7 blocking schemes (2 different pass pro schemes and 5 running blocking schemes). Of the 5 run blocking schemes 3 of them use our base rule with tags that tell 1-2 players different assignments.
The key in my mind is two fold
1) Like Tog said, keep the blocking schemes as simple as possible. Lineman (and I was one) don't want to think to much. They want to be confident and smack people. They need to be on the right page first and foremost.
2) Use terminology that is consistent. Sometimes we will put a play in on the fly in practice if a coach gets an idea of something he wants to see. My kids don't have to see it right away to understand it. All we have to do is use the words they understand and they do it. In the end, the play comes together. You might have to tweak a path or some steps, but almost always, it looks good by them just doing what the play directs them to do based on terminology.
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Post by coachjaz on Jan 11, 2007 12:23:38 GMT -6
Split Veer suff with West Coast Offense passing concepts.
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Post by jhanawa on Jan 11, 2007 17:50:31 GMT -6
We run our same base schemes from under center with 1/2/3 backs, from gun with & without a TE while shifting and motioning all over the place with and without a huddle, and its all revolves around the same simple base plays. The key is using simple terminology and tying it together so that they understand it and can execute it. Here are some film clip links of our 8th grade age Pop Warner doing these things. [ftp]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9055678144635178491&hl=en[/ftp] [ftp]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-586212742096075054&hl=en[/ftp] this was our trip to CA, kinda sloppy execution wise but we still did better than OSU with our 3 week layoff....LOL [ftp]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8413155063603458884&hl=en[/ftp] [ftp]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6145800886431534215&hl=en[/ftp] [ftp]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3352246144348149908&hl=en[/ftp] [ftp]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1057811766905711290&hl=en[/ftp]
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