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Post by vmorazorback on Dec 10, 2013 15:55:22 GMT -6
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Post by blakez on Dec 10, 2013 16:33:58 GMT -6
I think football would have to make huge advancement in other countries before involvement in the Olympics is plausible. This would be interesting to see how other countries involvement changes the game, if at all. For example, We are the only country that thinks running up the score is disrespectful. It's actually the opposite everywhere else. Running up the middle and especially Taking knees would be seen as a complete lack of respect for your opponent. They see it as you already declaring your dominance before the game is over. The same way that passing along the back line in soccer to run out the clock starts riots among rivals. Under the assumption that America would dominate, The scores would get so out of control. |
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Post by coach2013 on Dec 10, 2013 16:48:16 GMT -6
No, you see, the plan is to wussify the game so much that other countries can be on equal ground immediately. Mark my words.
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Post by dcchan4 on Dec 10, 2013 20:04:50 GMT -6
You would have to not allow American pros to play, that would even up the field. With that America would still win but it would give other countries a chance to catch up a bit. Interesting, can't wait to see where/how this goes
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Post by shocktroop34 on Dec 10, 2013 20:16:41 GMT -6
People may want to stone me after these comments, but here it goes: I don't want football in the Olympics. I don't see it as an Olympic sport. It is not a global game or even as recognized in many parts of the world as we see it here in the U.S.
I'm not even that crazy about seeing football become more "global." Playing in other countries, and such. All that propaganda is not about improving the sport, it's about money. I would just hate to see the sport that we all hold so dear, get pimped out by greedy fatcats in the International Olympic Committee.
I may be alone, but I just don't see the attraction.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 20:19:51 GMT -6
I totally agree with that.
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Post by blakez on Dec 10, 2013 20:25:56 GMT -6
People may want to stone me after these comments, but here it goes: I don't want football in the Olympics. I don't see it as an Olympic sport. It is not a global game or even as recognized in many parts of the world as we see it here in the U.S. I'm not even that crazy about seeing football become more "global." Playing in other countries, and such. All that propaganda is not about improving the sport, it's about money. I would just hate to see the sport that we all hold so dear, get pimped out by greedy fatcats in the International Olympic Committee. I may be alone, but I just don't see the attraction. I understand where you are coming from. Your mindset is exactly what I was thinking when I wrote my post above. There are too many reasons why this won't work. The idea of spreading the Football we know all over the globe is awesome. We could all get behind that idea. However, if that isn't possible, the only other solution is spreading the football we don't know, but IS possible, all over the globe. |
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Post by Coach.A on Dec 10, 2013 20:35:17 GMT -6
I would just hate to see the sport that we all hold so dear, get pimped out by greedy fatcats in the International Olympic Committee. Isn't the game already being "pimped out" by greedy fatcats here in America? |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Dec 10, 2013 20:37:22 GMT -6
I would just hate to see the sport that we all hold so dear, get pimped out by greedy fatcats in the International Olympic Committee. Isn't the game already being "pimped out" by greedy fatcats here in America? Yes, but they're our fatcats. |
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Post by blakez on Dec 10, 2013 20:43:52 GMT -6
 I would just hate to see the sport that we all hold so dear, get pimped out by greedy fatcats in the International Olympic Committee.  Isn't the game already being "pimped out" by greedy fatcats here in America? Yes, and we already have seen how they are willing to change the game to make money. Why won't they be willing to change the game more in order to make more money.? That's the point we are trying to make. Is a route that we should not advocate traveling. |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Dec 10, 2013 20:58:28 GMT -6
Isn't the game already being "pimped out" by greedy fatcats here in America? Yes, and we already have seen how they are willing to change the game to make money. Why won't they be willing to change the game more in order to make more money.? That's the point we are trying to make. Is a route that we should not advocate traveling. All I'm trying to say is that I feel the sport, in the hands of Olympic officials, becomes diluted and compromised by those who have no true regard for the sport other than financial gain. |
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Post by Coach.A on Dec 11, 2013 0:46:55 GMT -6
Yes, and we already have seen how they are willing to change the game to make money. Why won't they be willing to change the game more in order to make more money.? That's the point we are trying to make. Is a route that we should not advocate traveling. All I'm trying to say is that I feel the sport, in the hands of Olympic officials, becomes diluted and compromised by those who have no true regard for the sport other than financial gain. I understand your concerns. That being said, we need to recognize that there are kids in foreign countries that will never get the opportunity to play organized football unless it becomes an Olympic Sport. This game is too good and benefits youth in so many ways...we need to share it. |
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Post by coach2013 on Dec 11, 2013 6:05:22 GMT -6
hurry up, no huddle is already an attempt to appeal to Europeans who complain about the stops and starts in the game. Its not soccer.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 11, 2013 8:15:53 GMT -6
How would that even work? There is not enough time during the Olympics to get games in for a tournament like other Olympic sports. Also I doubt guys would want to even participate since it would be in the middle of camp/beginning of the season. Not to mention as other have said they would try and tone it down in ridiculous ways to the point it wouldn't even resemble football. See Olympic hockey on that one.
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Post by gamedaymusings on Dec 14, 2013 11:14:22 GMT -6
Coaches,
I just got back to the US after 7 years in Japan. I was both a player in the men's league and a coach at a private university there. It is not widely known in the US (understandably so) but there is already a functioning world cup of american football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFAF_World_Championship), and yes, people outside the US do get excited about it.
The largest barrier to entry into the game, in Japan at least, is the complexity of the rules. To oversimplify, Football is basically sic-fi/futuristic rugby, complete with space gear, and the rules reflect the intricacy of a modern game. This is difficult for many fans of the more traditional worldwide sports (think soccer/rugby) as those tend to have simpler rules making the game more easily understandable across culture/language barriers.
That said, for those who take the plunge, I have seen unbelievable passion for the game. They become lifelong fans of both American football and of the NFL/NCAA. The school I coached at started its football team in 1973. The chosen team mascot? Dolphins, after the undefeated Miami team. I still have many friends who are lifers of the game. The older generation are of higher social status now and they contribute a large amount of their time, money, and influence into promoting and perpetuating the game.
Football in the olympics would be FANTASTIC for other countries. It would give them a legit international stage on which to represent their country by pursuing a lifelong passion. I absolutely understand other coaches' concerns about the whole money/rich-get-richer argument, but I can say without a doubt that the intangible benefits to the game and to those outside the US would be extraordinary.
There are so many more points for me to include but I didn't want this post to be too long. If you have any questions I'll be back on later.
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Post by blakez on Dec 14, 2013 12:22:13 GMT -6
Coaches, I just got back to the US after 7 years in Japan. I was both a player in the men's league and a coach at a private university there. It is not widely known in the US (understandably so) but there is already a functioning world cup of american football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFAF_World_Championship), and yes, people outside the US do get excited about it. The largest barrier to entry into the game, in Japan at least, is the complexity of the rules. To oversimplify, Football is basically sic-fi/futuristic rugby, complete with space gear, and the rules reflect the intricacy of a modern game. This is difficult for many fans of the more traditional worldwide sports (think soccer/rugby) as those tend to have simpler rules making the game more easily understandable across culture/language barriers. That said, for those who take the plunge, I have seen unbelievable passion for the game. They become lifelong fans of both American football and of the NFL/NCAA. The school I coached at started its football team in 1973. The chosen team mascot? Dolphins, after the undefeated Miami team. I still have many friends who are lifers of the game. The older generation are of higher social status now and they contribute a large amount of their time, money, and influence into promoting and perpetuating the game. Football in the olympics would be FANTASTIC for other countries. It would give them a legit international stage on which to represent their country by pursuing a lifelong passion. I absolutely understand other coaches' concerns about the whole money/rich-get-richer argument, but I can say without a doubt that the intangible benefits to the game and to those outside the US would be extraordinary. There are so many more points for me to include but I didn't want this post to be too long. If you have any questions I'll be back on later. Is this 7 on 7 or traditional 11 a side that you speak of? |
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Post by gamedaymusings on Dec 14, 2013 17:36:17 GMT -6
Coaches, I just got back to the US after 7 years in Japan. I was both a player in the men's league and a coach at a private university there. It is not widely known in the US (understandably so) but there is already a functioning world cup of american football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFAF_World_Championship), and yes, people outside the US do get excited about it. The largest barrier to entry into the game, in Japan at least, is the complexity of the rules. To oversimplify, Football is basically sic-fi/futuristic rugby, complete with space gear, and the rules reflect the intricacy of a modern game. This is difficult for many fans of the more traditional worldwide sports (think soccer/rugby) as those tend to have simpler rules making the game more easily understandable across culture/language barriers. That said, for those who take the plunge, I have seen unbelievable passion for the game. They become lifelong fans of both American football and of the NFL/NCAA. The school I coached at started its football team in 1973. The chosen team mascot? Dolphins, after the undefeated Miami team. I still have many friends who are lifers of the game. The older generation are of higher social status now and they contribute a large amount of their time, money, and influence into promoting and perpetuating the game. Football in the olympics would be FANTASTIC for other countries. It would give them a legit international stage on which to represent their country by pursuing a lifelong passion. I absolutely understand other coaches' concerns about the whole money/rich-get-richer argument, but I can say without a doubt that the intangible benefits to the game and to those outside the US would be extraordinary. There are so many more points for me to include but I didn't want this post to be too long. If you have any questions I'll be back on later. Is this 7 on 7 or traditional 11 a side that you speak of? Full-on football. The Japan college rules mirror the NCAA rules. To the point where we were even told that players couldn't write on their eye black...as though that'd be a problem anywhere outside the US but I digress.... Yes, 11 on 11, full pads, same rules |
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Post by shocktroop34 on Dec 14, 2013 20:02:12 GMT -6
That's all well and good, but I'd rather carry my wife's purse around the mall, as she runs from store to store, trying on jeans two sizes too small, while constantly asking me if she looks fat in this, than watch football in the Olympics.
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Post by 33coach on Dec 14, 2013 21:02:47 GMT -6
That's all well and good, but I'd rather carry my wife's purse around the mall, as she runs from store to store, trying on jeans two sizes too small, while constantly asking me if she looks fat in this, than watch football in the Olympics. Olympics? No its not an olympic sport... But a professional world cup? Hell yes! |
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Post by filmjunkie on Dec 17, 2013 22:35:13 GMT -6
The only possible way I could see this working in terms of scheduling is if you had an extended qualifying period for olympic play, maybe a season's worth of games, since at a minimum you'd need 4-5 days to recover from a football game. I think if you spent a good deal of time working up to an 8 team playoff in the Olympics, it would be doable.
Maybe 12 minute quarters to lessen the wear and tear on the players.
I really like the idea of an independent tournament, separate from the Olympics, since the time frame is so short.
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Post by edcubby on Dec 18, 2013 8:23:01 GMT -6
C'mon man...no!!!!
Too much time is needed in between games...health and player safety are major issues...and the Olympics are only 2 1/2 weeks long.
Rugby is coming in but it's the NOT "real" rugby. It's what is call "7's"...it's the flag football version of rugby. Why? Cause real rugby is too physical and can't be played every other day.
Btw, I wouldn't want flag football in the Olympics either.
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Post by mattyg2787 on Dec 19, 2013 13:50:02 GMT -6
We play full 11 on 11 ncaa rules here in Australia as well. It's not well known even here but the guys that do play it love it.
The biggest issue we have in Australia is the money. Between insurances and lack of care, it's really hard to develop a solid interstate competition. Which then in turn makes it harder to compete on an international level. Our last trip to the world cup cost each player $6000 aud plus training camps on top of that. Anyone who has watched any international sports (rugby, cricket, cycling and track) knows we have world class athletes here. Our biggest problem is that our best players aren't going over because of families and mortgages.
As far as Olympics, playing that many games in 3 weeks is asking for injuries.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 19, 2013 16:53:46 GMT -6
We play full 11 on 11 ncaa rules here in Australia as well. It's not well known even here but the guys that do play it love it. The biggest issue we have in Australia is the money. Between insurances and lack of care, it's really hard to develop a solid interstate competition. Which then in turn makes it harder to compete on an international level. Our last trip to the world cup cost each player $6000 aud plus training camps on top of that. Anyone who has watched any international sports (rugby, cricket, cycling and track) knows we have world class athletes here. Our biggest problem is that our best players aren't going over because of families and mortgages. As far as Olympics, playing that many games in 3 weeks is asking for injuries. I don't really know if I want football in the olympics, but can't they just have 8 teams and play three playoff games? The first game would be before opening night or the next day. Then play a week later and then a week after that. So all they really need is 2 weeks. Have qualifying before olympics if there are more than 8 teams. Just have |
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Post by fantom on Dec 19, 2013 22:40:36 GMT -6
I think that we're many years away from football becoming an Olympic sport if it ever does. Although its popularity may be growing worldwide in most of the world it's still a niche sport. As the list of Olympic sports has grown it's hard to see football fitting in anytime soon. It took a petition drive to keep wrestling in.
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Post by blakez on Dec 20, 2013 5:59:52 GMT -6
Can we all agree Brazil and Honduras would run east/west most plays, while attempting to juke around 3-10 defenders?
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 20, 2013 11:34:17 GMT -6
Football has as much chance of becoming an international/Olympic sport in my lifetime as I have getting sexually assaulted by Kate Upton and Brooklyn Decker.
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Post by calhoun44 on Dec 20, 2013 14:02:38 GMT -6
You think the 92 dream team was dominant in basketball, if there was Olympic or World Cup football nobody would ever even put points up on us even if we didn't send professionals and sent division 1 players
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Post by Coach.A on Dec 20, 2013 19:41:50 GMT -6
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Post by calhoun44 on Dec 20, 2013 21:08:03 GMT -6
You think the 92 dream team was dominant in basketball, if there was Olympic or World Cup football nobody would ever even put points up on us even if we didn't send professionals and sent division 1 players I agree that the US would dominate, but if you made football an Olympic sport it wouldn't take long for other countries to close the gap. In international play, Team Canada has been improving and actually beat a few of the under 20 Team USA's recently. www.maxpreps.com/news/UfhbzoKfe0KE0ljE-sLoYg/canada-beats-under-19-usa-football-team-again.htminternationalbowl.com/canada-beats-u-s-in-u-16-game-20-19/. My only issue with using that as a comparison is that the kids mentioned in the article from the U.S where kids that got recruiting attention but by far where not the best high school players this country has to offer. For all we know the Canadians may have been a compilation of the best players in the nation. |
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Post by Coach.A on Dec 20, 2013 21:52:02 GMT -6
My only issue with using that as a comparison is that the kids mentioned in the article from the U.S where kids that got recruiting attention but by far where not the best high school players this country has to offer. For all we know the Canadians may have been a compilation of the best players in the nation. True it may not of been the absolute best representation from the US, but do you honestly think the USA would get the best players on their Olympic team? This isn't basketball...the risk of injury and the money on the line would make it far too great a risk for NFL players or potential future NFL players to compete. I can imagine the NFL player agents losing their minds at even the thought of participating in an event like this. |
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