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Post by coachdixon on Dec 1, 2013 21:56:38 GMT -6
Need some help from the smart people on here. Looking for a offseason/season theme for our football team. We've went 12-1 (semi finals) and 11-1 (quarterfinals) the last two seasons. We've been down by 7 with 6 minutes to play in the 4th quarter in both games before losing to two great teams. In both games we played timid at the start before realizing we could play with them. Was thinking of focusing on playing with an edge as a general idea. Any thoughts?
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Post by filmjunkie on Dec 1, 2013 23:43:43 GMT -6
We were in a similar situation about 5-6 years ago at the program I was coaching at.
I like "Leave No Doubt" as a theme.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Dec 1, 2013 23:57:52 GMT -6
I know of a team that lost in the finals. The next year they came out with "Finish 14." That was the number of total games including the state championship. Since then, they have returned to the finals for the third straight time.
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Post by gamedaymusings on Dec 2, 2013 0:18:44 GMT -6
I know of a team that lost in the finals. The next year they came out with "Finish 14." That was the number of total games including the state championship. Since then, they have returned to the finals for the third straight time. I like this one except maybe you leave out the "14". You know, in case you lose one early. Since you mentioned your timid starts, you might also consider something that gets them going from Q1.
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Post by coachdixon on Dec 2, 2013 12:18:12 GMT -6
Great ideas guys. Thanks.
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Post by newt21 on Dec 2, 2013 12:39:43 GMT -6
Out^3 (that's cubed) for "Out Work-Out Hustle-Out Hit". If you do those 3 things from the opening kick to the end, you'll win regardless of who you play.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 2, 2013 12:42:49 GMT -6
I know of a team that lost in the finals. The next year they came out with "Finish 14." That was the number of total games including the state championship. Since then, they have returned to the finals for the third straight time. The question is…did they win any of those trips to the finals? Just wanting to know if the slogan worked to help them "finish 14."
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Post by blb on Dec 2, 2013 13:22:37 GMT -6
The university I got my degrees from has one of the highest-rated business colleges in the country.
One of its classes is on How to Implement Change and Quality Improvement.
Weeks 3 and 4 in the course they give students a list of things that will NOT improve quality and discuss why they won't work.
One of the things on that list: Slogans.
FWIW.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Dec 2, 2013 16:09:39 GMT -6
I know of a team that lost in the finals. The next year they came out with "Finish 14." That was the number of total games including the state championship. Since then, they have returned to the finals for the third straight time. The question is…did they win any of those trips to the finals? Just wanting to know if the slogan worked to help them "finish 14." They are playing for their third straight title this weekend.
link (They haven't lost since week 6 of 2011)
Who knew? All it took was a slogan!
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Post by blackknight on Dec 2, 2013 21:50:18 GMT -6
Start fast, finish strong.
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Post by brianmulligan on Dec 2, 2013 21:57:21 GMT -6
I know of a team that lost in the finals. The next year they came out with "Finish 14." That was the number of total games including the state championship. Since then, they have returned to the finals for the third straight time. Are you referring to Middletown High School? I played there many years ago. I will be attending their title game this week since we did not make it to the playoffs.
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 2, 2013 21:59:38 GMT -6
The university I got my degrees from has one of the highest-rated business colleges in the country.
One of its classes is on How to Implement Change and Quality Improvement.
Weeks 3 and 4 in the course they give students a list of things that will NOT improve quality and discuss why they won't work.
One of the things on that list: Slogans.
FWIW. It's true a slogan won't make a lick of difference, but, they're cool and the kids usually like them.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Dec 2, 2013 22:47:09 GMT -6
The university I got my degrees from has one of the highest-rated business colleges in the country.
One of its classes is on How to Implement Change and Quality Improvement.
Weeks 3 and 4 in the course they give students a list of things that will NOT improve quality and discuss why they won't work.
One of the things on that list: Slogans.
FWIW. Just curious, what were some of the reasons that they listed for the ineffectiveness of slogans?
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Post by gamedaymusings on Dec 3, 2013 0:18:55 GMT -6
A slogan that also makes a great huddle-break call: All-in
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Post by joker31 on Dec 3, 2013 0:21:28 GMT -6
The university I got my degrees from has one of the highest-rated business colleges in the country.
One of its classes is on How to Implement Change and Quality Improvement.
Weeks 3 and 4 in the course they give students a list of things that will NOT improve quality and discuss why they won't work.
One of the things on that list: Slogans.
FWIW. Respectfully disagree. If McDonalds and Coca-Cola can get me to remember their slogans, there is enough power there if you keep referring to it. Has to be a constant message, especially if you give the leaders/kids power to create the theme.
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Post by blb on Dec 3, 2013 7:11:25 GMT -6
The university I got my degrees from has one of the highest-rated business colleges in the country.
One of its classes is on How to Implement Change and Quality Improvement.
Weeks 3 and 4 in the course they give students a list of things that will NOT improve quality and discuss why they won't work.
One of the things on that list: Slogans.
FWIW. Respectfully disagree. If McDonalds and Coca-Cola can get me to remember their slogans, there is enough power there if you keep referring to it. Has to be a constant message, especially if you give the leaders/kids power to create the theme.
What is McDonald's slogan? Coke's?
Do you think about your school's Mission Statement every morning you walk in to teach? Could you recite it word for word? When was last time you even read it?
The class is directed towards dealing with employees-those within the company, not the prospective clientele.
You are right, a "theme" has more power when it is generated by the players themselves. But those things have a tendency to crumble-lose meaning under adversity. Then what do you fall back on?
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Post by joker31 on Dec 3, 2013 16:33:51 GMT -6
My point is that every program should have a philosophy, which is the program's backbone. But certain teams may have certain themes that apply to their team only, which can be powerful. We have had back-to-back teams that have had great exhibition, good regular season, then lost in the first round of the playoffs. The players and us as a coaching staff want to get over the hump, and the theme of the year may be something related to that.
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Post by coachbw on Dec 3, 2013 16:41:33 GMT -6
The university I got my degrees from has one of the highest-rated business colleges in the country.
One of its classes is on How to Implement Change and Quality Improvement.
Weeks 3 and 4 in the course they give students a list of things that will NOT improve quality and discuss why they won't work.
One of the things on that list: Slogans.
FWIW. I agree with this to an extent, but I think there is a fine line which when crossed changes a slogan to a philosophy or a way of doing things. In those cases, it is maybe not having a slogan, but having a shared vision communicated by the slogan that can be helpful. I am not super familiar with them, but it seems like Oregon has done this with their "Win the Day." We used "Never Enough" following a very successful season as a reminder to not settle for where we were at. We used in on the practice field, in the weight room, when looking at academic in addition to on t-shirts, playbook covers, and the other traditional spots for a slogan. A neighboring school used "One More" a while back to. When walking by their weight room, I noticed they had it written on the ceiling above the benches so they must have used it throughout their program as well
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Dec 3, 2013 17:16:39 GMT -6
Here is how I do it...
We have core values that are non-negotiable It is an acronym - BE CHAMPS
now each year we have a slogan/theme/statement whatever... I like things that 3 to 4 words or letters...
I let my SENIORS pick it - I gave them about 100 options and they chose HHNQ - hustle hit never quit and the kids dug it...
We put it on our shirts we wear every day all summer to practice and 7/7 tourneys etc - everyone asked what it meant and we never told anyone... It was ours and ours only (I know many others used it before us but my seniors do not know that haha)
they chose it, bought in, and ran with it... Even used it as a chant etc
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 3, 2013 20:23:08 GMT -6
Here is how I do it... We have core values that are non-negotiable It is an acronym - BE CHAMPS now each year we have a slogan/theme/statement whatever... I like things that 3 to 4 words or letters... I let my SENIORS pick it - I gave them about 100 options and they chose HHNQ - hustle hit never quit and the kids dug it... We put it on our shirts we wear every day all summer to practice and 7/7 tourneys etc - everyone asked what it meant and we never told anyone... It was ours and ours only (I know many others used it before us but my seniors do not know that haha) they chose it, bought in, and ran with it... Even used it as a chant etc We do this. Our acronym is S.H.I.E.L.D. Whenever you break it's to Shield Pride. Nobody but our players know what the acronym is, and younger classes don't find out until they make it through double days at the earliest. You have to pay a price to be a part of the fraternity. Another school in the area does Gold Dot Pride. Have no idea what it stands for, but the players love it.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 4, 2013 15:43:09 GMT -6
Agreed. I think coaches put a lot of faith in slogans and themes and mission statements and all that kind of bull crap, but the kids ultimately could give two craps about most of that crap.
Personally I hate slogans and the like. They have always struck me as things people use when they don't know what they're about.
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Post by kmiller716 on Dec 4, 2013 22:16:32 GMT -6
Agreed. I think coaches put a lot of faith in slogans and themes and mission statements and all that kind of bull crap, but the kids ultimately could give two craps about most of that crap. Personally I hate slogans and the like. They have always struck me as things people use when they don't know what they're about. I think you are right on target. You know for yourself that they never stuck with you in the past (learned as a player/coach) and there is no doubt in my mind that you would have a hard time selling a slogan to your team. If you hate them and your AD thought it would be great to implement one, the kids would see right through it and not take it seriously. I learned this from one of my previous HC's I worked under. I would have these "Hey coach, what about doing this" conversations all the time. He finally barked at me and told me that he can't fake his enthusiasm for it. Basically, he would rather not implement something that he wasn't naturally passionate about because it would fizz out and he would lose future credibility for something he was serious about. I totally got it and respected that. COACH DIXON:I think if a HC is passionate about something that he feels can spark a fire, then it will because the players will feed off of it. If it is a slogan, great. If they are t-shirts handed out for effort, strength, etc., great. If it is a sign that a player taps before they go out to the field, great. What ever works for you. Actually, what ever you have passion for will work for you. This is very similar to the motivational video thread. If you just do something to do something, that's all it will be. But if you are genuinely passionate about it, and it is not out of "your" ordinary, the kids will feed off it and yes, it can make a difference. I think the important thing that can be taken from this thread is to know who you are and run with it. Being a successful coach is not about how many "gimmicks" you can employ, it is about being congruent with your speech, nonverbal expressions, values, tactics and behavior. More importantly, a "gimmick" can turn into a tool when it matches how you present yourself to your team. My advice is to put yourself in the shoes of your typical teenage player on your team (aware of culture, interests, tradition, family values, etc.) and think what would motivate you. Take the first thought as a foundation and be creative from there. Make it yours so that you will have a deep found passion with it and sell it(live it) to(with) your team.
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Post by coachdixon on Dec 4, 2013 22:37:55 GMT -6
I understand that slogans or mission statements don't win games on the field, but it does provide expectations for the players and the programs. Most colleges use them. A lot of them call them team covenants, but they are usually an acronym or slogan. I think some people got a little crazy on here with my question. I wasn't looking for a solution to win a championship, I was looking for a creative idea, since I had exhausted my ideas.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 5, 2013 9:48:03 GMT -6
I understand that slogans or mission statements don't win games on the field, but it does provide expectations for the players and the programs. Most colleges use them. A lot of them call them team covenants, but they are usually an acronym or slogan. I think some people got a little crazy on here with my question. I wasn't looking for a solution to win a championship, I was looking for a creative idea, since I had exhausted my ideas. But at the same time, your expectations for your players and program don't change from year to year do they? So why change the slogan from year to year?
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Post by gibbs72 on Dec 5, 2013 10:30:54 GMT -6
Our HC keeps it simple: Code Red. We use it year to year and tweek it to focus on what we think will be our issues. I like it because it's simple, establishes continuity year to year, and I can re-use my old coaching clothes each year!!
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Post by coachmike44 on Dec 6, 2013 12:41:06 GMT -6
One of my all time favorites is "Only those who dare to go to far, can truly find how far they can really go".
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