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Post by emptybackfield on Nov 25, 2013 7:39:57 GMT -6
Belichick choosing the wind last night in OT got me thinking about this.
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Post by morris on Nov 25, 2013 7:50:17 GMT -6
I don't really think that choice was that unconventional due to the weather. The most unconventional thing I have done was putting pretty much 10 guys on the LOS and going direct snap.
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Post by airraider on Nov 25, 2013 7:50:31 GMT -6
I've punted on 3rd down a few times... have used drop kicks on kick offs, FG's, and extra points...
Actually gone 6 wide in 3 games... no qb... all 6 eligible guys line up in a 3x3 formation and someone comes in motion and catches the ball on the fly.
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Post by emptybackfield on Nov 25, 2013 8:30:13 GMT -6
I don't really think that choice was that unconventional due to the weather. The most unconventional thing I have done was putting pretty much 10 guys on the LOS and going direct snap. Choosing to kick is very unconventional, it doesn't matter what the weather is doing, in my opinion. It's been done twice in the NFL in recent memory, maybe ever, that most certainly makes it unconventional.
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Post by resdeal on Nov 25, 2013 8:41:29 GMT -6
I don't really think that choice was that unconventional due to the weather. The most unconventional thing I have done was putting pretty much 10 guys on the LOS and going direct snap. We have done this. direct snap to the back and had him pick his gap.
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Post by morris on Nov 25, 2013 8:41:29 GMT -6
I don't really think that choice was that unconventional due to the weather. The most unconventional thing I have done was putting pretty much 10 guys on the LOS and going direct snap. Choosing to kick is very unconventional, it doesn't matter what the weather is doing, in my opinion. It's been done twice in the NFL in recent memory, maybe ever, that most certainly makes it unconventional. And the rules for overtime use to be much different. When is the other time you remember someone deferring in overtime? Was it also since they changed the rule of how OT worked? In the press conference Belichick stated something along the lines of "We just had to keep them out of the endzone" As time goes with the new OT rules you'll see it happen more. I don't think it will become common place but I feel there is a difference between uncommon and unconventional
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Post by kad02002 on Nov 25, 2013 9:17:09 GMT -6
In high school we kicked twice in the rain.
Also, our coach got a bagpipe band to lead us onto the field.
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Post by morris on Nov 25, 2013 9:21:38 GMT -6
I've punted on 3rd down a few times... have used drop kicks on kick offs, FG's, and extra points... Actually gone 6 wide in 3 games... no qb... all 6 eligible guys line up in a 3x3 formation and someone comes in motion and catches the ball on the fly. Drop kicks as in it has to hit the ground first? If so why? I don't know if we have ever had a player able to do that
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Post by wingt74 on Nov 25, 2013 10:17:52 GMT -6
in highschool, my HC used the swinging gate for extra points. Worked pretty well in that we converted a few 2pt conversions, one in a close game.
Otherwise, I'm a D coach on a team that runs Double Wing...considering we're one of the very few teams in the state of Wisconsin that runs most of our offense out of it...I'd say it's unconventional.
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Post by M4 on Nov 25, 2013 10:23:21 GMT -6
We played a team who lined up like this and ran a series of wedge plays, it worked at times for them:
_TE_C_G_G_T_T_TE_ ____Q____B_B_ ______RB
They would short toss to the RB who would dive into the wedge.
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Post by keysersoze on Nov 25, 2013 11:46:46 GMT -6
We punted from a Field Goal/PAT formation and kicking the ball off of a pad. We had too many punts blocked and I mentioned it to the HC. He did it the next game and we did it the rest of the season. We had a kicker with a great leg so it worked pretty well for us. We had a few televised games and the announcers reactions by themselves were worth doing it.
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Post by carookie on Nov 25, 2013 12:06:28 GMT -6
We were deep in our own end, the opponent out of timeouts, it's 4th down, clock running and we have to snap the ball with about 20 seconds left. I had my WR jump off sides to run out the rest of the clock before half so we didn't have to kick it. I always thought teams should do this when needed. That being written the rules should be changed to stop this from happening
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Post by emptybackfield on Nov 25, 2013 12:35:20 GMT -6
We punted from a Field Goal/PAT formation and kicking the ball off of a pad. We had too many punts blocked and I mentioned it to the HC. He did it the next game and we did it the rest of the season. We had a kicker with a great leg so it worked pretty well for us. We had a few televised games and the announcers reactions by themselves were worth doing it. What is this "pad" you speak of. Dcohio- that's a great move man. What's the rule on that? Isn't the clock supposed to stop at some point? If not, can't a team with the lead just continue false starting to kill the clock?
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 25, 2013 12:37:40 GMT -6
We punted from a Field Goal/PAT formation and kicking the ball off of a pad. We had too many punts blocked and I mentioned it to the HC. He did it the next game and we did it the rest of the season. We had a kicker with a great leg so it worked pretty well for us. We had a few televised games and the announcers reactions by themselves were worth doing it. What is this "pad" you speak of. Dcohio- that's a great move man. What's the rule on that? Isn't the clock supposed to stop at some point? If not, can't a team with the lead just continue false starting to kill the clock? If the ref thinks you're doing it on purpose he can wait to start the clock on the snap. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards
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Post by airraider on Nov 25, 2013 13:17:15 GMT -6
I've punted on 3rd down a few times... have used drop kicks on kick offs, FG's, and extra points... Actually gone 6 wide in 3 games... no qb... all 6 eligible guys line up in a 3x3 formation and someone comes in motion and catches the ball on the fly. Drop kicks as in it has to hit the ground first? If so why? I don't know if we have ever had a player able to do that We were not very good in general at snapping and catching the snap.. not to mention kicking.. but had a pretty good athlete kid that used to play soccer. We could kick from a spread formation and actually made a couple of extra points.. missed a 30 something fg by a couple of feet. As far as kick offs, we can never get a true sky kick.. but with the drop kick we can get under it like a punt and actually get the ball very high.
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Post by fasterthanthefly on Nov 25, 2013 13:56:55 GMT -6
In a close playoff game I took a timeout on defense after third down with 2 seconds left in the third quarter to force a team to have to punt into a gale-force wind, result...12 yard punt.
We have kicked a drop-kick FG once. My filmer missed it because he was yelling "What are you doing?" from the pressbox! Said he thought we were lining up to punt from the 10 yard line!! We made the FG.
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Post by morris on Nov 25, 2013 14:03:16 GMT -6
We punted from a Field Goal/PAT formation and kicking the ball off of a pad. We had too many punts blocked and I mentioned it to the HC. He did it the next game and we did it the rest of the season. We had a kicker with a great leg so it worked pretty well for us. We had a few televised games and the announcers reactions by themselves were worth doing it. What is this "pad" you speak of. Dcohio- that's a great move man. What's the rule on that? Isn't the clock supposed to stop at some point? If not, can't a team with the lead just continue false starting to kill the clock? I think he is referring to kicking off of a tee. The idea has some issues but it is a pretty smart idea. The thing with the false start is they chop the ball ready for play and you get anew play clock. On top of the fact the play clock starts on the chop. I can never keep straight which penalties stop the clock till the snap and which don't.
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Post by beebe on Nov 25, 2013 15:43:07 GMT -6
Offensive penalties usually start the clock immediately after the mark off....we used to punt from fg formation when kicking into the wind.....we lined up for a 55 yd fg one night and kicked it out at the 3....announcer and newspaper said it was the worst fg attempt they ever saw....lol....but the opponent had to start at the 3 and we got a safety on 2nd play....
last year we forgot our kicking tee for the 5th game of the season and it was a 2 1//2 hour ride.....tried kicking extra points and fg's off the ground and found we were much more successful that way....holder never had to "find" the tee.....we were faster and more accurate that way....loved it
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Post by Coach Bennett on Nov 25, 2013 17:30:09 GMT -6
Anyone choose to kick in the 2nd half instead of taking the ball, hoping to pin their O deep?
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Post by morris on Nov 25, 2013 17:49:40 GMT -6
We've done that when kicking the crap out of a team but not to pin a team.
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Post by Yash on Nov 25, 2013 19:30:24 GMT -6
I've punted on 3rd down a few times... have used drop kicks on kick offs, FG's, and extra points... Actually gone 6 wide in 3 games... no qb... all 6 eligible guys line up in a 3x3 formation and someone comes in motion and catches the ball on the fly. Drop kicks as in it has to hit the ground first? If so why? I don't know if we have ever had a player able to do that Kid was screwing around at practice and was able to do it. We are 2-4 on drop kicks in the last 3 years. Only do it when we are kicking tail or getting our tail kicked. lets the kids have some fun if you know you have a chance at making it.
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Post by Yash on Nov 25, 2013 19:32:59 GMT -6
Offensive penalties usually start the clock immediately after the mark off....we used to punt from fg formation when kicking into the wind.....we lined up for a 55 yd fg one night and kicked it out at the 3....announcer and newspaper said it was the worst fg attempt they ever saw....lol....but the opponent had to start at the 3 and we got a safety on 2nd play.... last year we forgot our kicking tee for the 5th game of the season and it was a 2 1//2 hour ride.....tried kicking extra points and fg's off the ground and found we were much more successful that way....holder never had to "find" the tee.....we were faster and more accurate that way....loved it We would have to re-sod the 10 yard line if we kicked off the grass. Our kickers use a pitching wedge it seems like.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 25, 2013 20:04:12 GMT -6
Someone mentioned going for 2, specifically out of the swinging gate. We have been fortunate to convert 66% of our 2pt conversion attempts the past 4 years - most out of the swinging gate. This year alone we were 23 of 33 on 2 pt conversions. (not all from gate, of course)
We line up with 1 wide out near the #'s (off the LOS). We have a "3 lineman" set up in front of the QB - center & 2 guys on each side of him. The center is actually a TE, and the guy on the right is typically a RB or an H-back and that player is aligned off the LOS so that both he and the Center are eligible. Then, the rest of the line are split left with a RB aligned behind them in the middle of their "wedge" alignment.
We do several things but the most important is if you give us 4 or less over the center we will usually just snap it, block 3, and have the QB either run over or around the 4th.
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Post by realdawg on Nov 25, 2013 20:46:42 GMT -6
We ended up with almost a whole series of offense out of the swinging gate. Worked the vast majority of the time but I don't have any specific numbers
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 25, 2013 22:02:47 GMT -6
we did swinging gate this whole season... majority of the time we shifted to the PAT and kicked it
but I only remember one instance where we went for the 2 point conversion and did not get it
i believe on the season we were 4 of 5 on the 2 point aspect of it
we were 6 of 8 going for 2 points with our regular offense on the field
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Post by Yash on Nov 25, 2013 22:08:14 GMT -6
Coach Huey sent me cut ups of his swinging gate last winter. We put it in this summer during our contact days. Repped it every day in first 2 weeks. Got to first game, peed it down our leg first 2 times we used it and never ran it again. dang film clips weren't worth anything- I know it wasn't the coaching
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Post by airraider on Nov 25, 2013 22:17:46 GMT -6
A team we play gets into a swinging gate type formation.. something like this...
XTTG.................................G.C.X .H.....................................Q.................Z .................F........................................
I am not sure about all of the particulars but they leave those 3 linemen types with the QB under center... they run wedge if you do not take it away.. and they are pretty good at it..
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 25, 2013 22:20:08 GMT -6
really, you just need the bark to be worse than the bite when it comes to swinging gate. it's the "threat" of that extra point.
all we look for is if the defense doesn't line up properly - i mean they really give us a good matchup in one of the 3 areas - then we'll try to expose them for it.
i would say don't be afraid to use it - just go for it. Risk is minimal - you only need 3 yards. It's only one point if you don't get it - but mentally, it can do wonders for you if you get it. 8-0 is a great way to start the game. 6-0 doesn't seem that bad. so, risk-reward not that big an emotional deal if you score first.
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 26, 2013 6:47:53 GMT -6
Belichick choosing the wind last night in OT got me thinking about this. I saw a team run this silly looking offense that had a qb with his hands between another players legs. The snapper would hand the ball directly to the qb. The qb would often conceal the ball then distribute it by handoff to an "I back" or "tailback" who had a burley, physical lead blocker, known in prehistoric times as a "fullback". Very unusual.
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Post by John Knight on Nov 26, 2013 7:13:25 GMT -6
Did they have facemasks???
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