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Post by coach2013 on Nov 10, 2013 11:02:24 GMT -6
What do you do in your program to hold your players accountable for missed assignments or improper technique (being un-coachable?)
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Post by husky44 on Nov 10, 2013 11:07:09 GMT -6
Other than replacing them with another player what other options are there? Kids do not respond to yelling or belittling today.
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Post by 33coach on Nov 10, 2013 11:18:26 GMT -6
grade each player at a position (grade sheets do wonders!) and play the kids with the highest grade...period
punishment wise..there isnt much you can do other then take away play time
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Post by jturner on Nov 10, 2013 11:20:07 GMT -6
What do you do in your program to hold your players accountable for missed assignments or improper technique (being un-coachable?) I would like to run them, but at the rate we were going this year, we would have been a bigger, uglier cross country team. I think you could run them or have some other type of punishment to do like push ups, sit-ups, etc |
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Post by fcboiler87 on Nov 10, 2013 13:29:28 GMT -6
We've done push ups and up downs. It drives home a point but at the same time I really don't know how effective it is.
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Post by coachklee on Nov 10, 2013 13:52:42 GMT -6
Play the kid who does not miss assignments or does not use improper techniques.
We had a senior QB this year who refused to learn new footwork or lift-up on the center's butt during snaps causing in lots of blown plays. Junior QB was much less athletic, but used the techniques he was shown and asked to use. The OC eventually stopped trusting the senior QB and started playing the junior QB.
Unfortunately, the junior QB got his knee tweaked and had to come out of our District Championship for most of the 2nd half. The senior QB promptly fumbled 2 snaps and turned the wrong way for 1 hand-off resulting in negative yardage plays that got our offense off the 4 yards or more per play schedule killing 3 drives, 2 of which had marched into the redzone.
Play the coachable kids. You're more likely to have less mistakes in the short-term and have a better chance of establishing discipline within your program over the long-term.
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 10, 2013 15:45:45 GMT -6
I hear you all on replacing players however that simply isn't an option. As it is we are nearly 50% sophs on the field and we cant keep benching seniors and jrs for mistakes. I guess like anyone else its "Remember the Titans" and "you run a mile" with each mistake. (we actually do burpees)
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Post by tabs52 on Nov 10, 2013 16:42:35 GMT -6
I think it depends, to me there is a drastic difference between missing assignments as opposed to being uncoachable. If you saying your have a ton sophomores, I think with the inexperience you have to expect the mistakes
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Post by CS on Nov 10, 2013 16:50:35 GMT -6
Depends if it's a mental mistake or missed from half a$$ing. The laziness would be punished but otherwise I feel that it is my fault if they miss something. I grade and teach and then re teach if necessary. Other than that I don't feel like I need to do anything besides refine my teaching g if need be.
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Post by tabs52 on Nov 10, 2013 17:49:43 GMT -6
I was in this situation a few years ago, we made a committed to young because our seniors were not taking us anywhere, and it was frustrated, the big picture is what is important
why are they missing assignments would be the big question
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Post by wingtol on Nov 10, 2013 19:23:56 GMT -6
I was in this situation a few years ago, we made a committed to young because our seniors were not taking us anywhere, and it was frustrated, the big picture is what is important why are they missing assignments would be the big question Was just going to say that. Hard to really place blame on the kid all the time. I know I have probably contriubted to a few missed assignments as a coach, it happens. Can't see how punishing a kid will make it better. Now if a kid is lazy and going through the motions, that's a different story. |
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 10, 2013 19:29:10 GMT -6
This year we tried a couple things that had success
1) We did grade sheets. It wasn't real fancy, just # of plays where assignments were missed for each person.
2) Punishing entire defense (I'm the DC) for missed assignments. Ex: The FS doesn't key #2, then the OTHER 10 do up downs while the FS stands. One day I even had the offender apologize while the updowns were happening. Amazing how the laziness dropped off when I upped the accountability. Missed assignments were still there but not as often and rarely more than once in a session or practice.
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Post by fantom on Nov 10, 2013 20:40:05 GMT -6
I was in this situation a few years ago, we made a committed to young because our seniors were not taking us anywhere, and it was frustrated, the big picture is what is important why are they missing assignments would be the big question Was just going to say that. Hard to really place blame on the kid all the time. I know I have probably contriubted to a few missed assignments as a coach, it happens. Can't see how punishing a kid will make it better. Now if a kid is lazy and going through the motions, that's a different story. I agree. It's not like the kid is intentionally making mental errors. Hustling is a decision. Refusing to hustle is a decision. Being confused isn't something a kid chooses to do. |
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Post by coachjd on Nov 10, 2013 20:55:45 GMT -6
We hold our kids accountable in practice. We have the offensive coaches watching their position groups and if a kid uses poor technique, is lazy, wrong assignment we just yell out that is a loaf, coach them up and at the end of practice each loaf = 3 updowns. We only use this during team and sometimes during group time. Kids hate but at the end of the year I had almost all the seniors tell me it was one of the best things we have done with the team in practice.
We told the kids when you fail to do your job, do it the way you were taught and do not go hard, you are affecting each and everyone of your teammates. That really seemed to hit home this year.
Off of game film we use hudl and have our cutups and have all of the negatives tagged and will coach the kids up on Monday. Kids dont like the idea of having all their plays tagged for all the team to see over and over.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 10, 2013 21:00:18 GMT -6
I love the idea of team "Loafs". I used those when I coached the OL b/c I had a passive bunch. I may have to dust off that idea next summer!
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Post by wingtol on Nov 11, 2013 7:15:08 GMT -6
One other thing I was just thinking of, is the scheme to complex? That would be something to look at if you have a lot of missed assignments. If there a lot of if he does this then you do that but if he does this then you do this but if he does this then.... Can get confusing for a kid and lead to a missed assignment. Not saying the OP has a confusing system just saying we understand and know it as coaches but do the players have it down is something to look at.
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 11, 2013 8:00:47 GMT -6
I would have to deny fully, intensely that we are complex and kids are confused. If anything we are super simple and what we are battling is focus/discipline/complacency and absolutely not paralysis or botched assignments from over thinking and confusion. If a player has one gap to defend all day and spends10-12 plays per game playing in the wrong gap, hes got discipline coming to him. If we run 8 or 9 plays and can do them in our sleep and players change their assignment, they have discipline coming to them. Our guys can go 32 out of 48 minutes being perfect, its the 16 minutes per game of "Ill do what I want" that I need to fix.
heres an example:
Nose slanting when he should be two gapping
- just does it because he wants to. So, hes got burpees for every yard we give up on those plays.
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Post by carookie on Nov 11, 2013 10:19:28 GMT -6
I will say this, and Im not accusing the OP or anyone of this, but there seems to be a lot of coaches who feel that simply telling a kid what to do or how to do it is coaching them. For me, you have to breakdown every movement, every read, every reaction you expect the player to make. Guide them through these movements in an individual setting and then make them repeat them over and over again. Not to the point where they get it right, but to the point where they CANT GET IT WRONG.
If they still arent doing it, and they arent intentionally screwing up, then check your methods of instruction or the amount you are throwing at them. Im a firm believer of the "no bad student but bad teacher" premise.
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 11, 2013 10:22:43 GMT -6
So then you do not believe some high school kids do whatever they want to do? You have never had to hand out consequences for poor choices?
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Post by blb on Nov 11, 2013 10:38:57 GMT -6
I'm an old OL coach, so nothing drives me crazy faster or as much as MAs up front.
We could grade out at 90% as an Offense and never make a 1st Down. All it takes is one (different) kid each play screwing up.
One of my mentors told me, "Teach them WHO to block first, then how."
So first we check coaching-teaching.
Second I evaluate scheme - too much? Should we simplify, and if so, how much without being so simple as to be easy to defend-not have answers for what we're going to see?
Third is personnel. If a kid is consistently blowing assignments, we replace him - if possible.
This year as it turns out we were just dumber than dumb. Fourth year in program running same Offense, and we had Seniors blowing assignments like it was their job. And underclassmen were worse.
We had 13 OL (not counting TEs). One got hurt-out for season first day of pads. Two were ineligible for half the season. One (5-11, 295) could only play defense. One didn't play the year before. And one could not play, as in he would get our QB-RBs killed if we put him on the field.
So option 3 - replacing personnel - really wasn't an option.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 11, 2013 10:50:19 GMT -6
A kid doing his own thing and missing an assignment are two different things IMHO. Kids doing his own thing it needs dealt with ASAP.
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 11, 2013 11:05:27 GMT -6
Even Lawrence Taylor sometimes did his own thing - I think a few of my guys think they are LT and can just make plays to save us.
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Post by carookie on Nov 11, 2013 11:30:03 GMT -6
So then you do not believe some high school kids do whatever they want to do? You have never had to hand out consequences for poor choices? No, I believe they do, I just feel that most HS kids that are willing to put in the work to get far enough to be on the field, arent going to intentionally do wrong. |
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Post by blue22 on Nov 11, 2013 11:59:38 GMT -6
I really believe that when a kid misses an assignment and he doesn't know he did that's on us as coaches you have to move a kid from unconscious competent to conscious competent meaning your doing your job when the kid knows he messed up and can tell you what he is suppose to do. I tell my kids youll make as many mistakes not be aggressive as you will being passive because your thinking about not screwing up, we as coaches will let you know when you screw up so just go out and play. I don't believe in punishing a kid for making assignment mistakes, now don't get me wrong the kids that make the fewest mistakes play on Friday night and I wont stand for loafing or freelancing, but if replacing them is not an option simplify and keep teaching. Heard Urban Myer say that we as coaches lose our jobs if your players screw up so don't be a presenter of information be a teacher. Not saying that the OP is not a good coach or teacher just my thoughts on the idea
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 11, 2013 12:30:20 GMT -6
So, you think that some kids who do wrong are just poorly coached? So If I coach every kid on my team, in my program and all but one screw up, the one that screws up by choice makes me a poor teacher and coach? If a kid chooses to slant into the wrong gap repeatedly or carries the ball in the wrong arm repeatedly while nobody else in the program does, its the coach? Suppose for ten years theres nobody else that gets those things wrong...is it still the coach? Get real, sometimes kids are selfish and they have enough ability to be on the field because there simply is no other option. So, this leaves the onus on the coach to use other consequences beyond playing time.
This is like a teacher in class who cant get every student to get an A. Just because there are a couple of flunkers doesn't mean he or she cant teach. That's preposterous.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 11, 2013 12:37:23 GMT -6
If they habitually blow assignments we don't play them.
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Post by fantom on Nov 11, 2013 12:40:52 GMT -6
So, you think that some kids who do wrong are just poorly coached? So If I coach every kid on my team, in my program and all but one screw up, the one that screws up by choice makes me a poor teacher and coach? If a kid chooses to slant into the wrong gap repeatedly or carries the ball in the wrong arm repeatedly while nobody else in the program does, its the coach? Suppose for ten years theres nobody else that gets those things wrong...is it still the coach? Get real, sometimes kids are selfish and they have enough ability to be on the field because there simply is no other option. So, this leaves the onus on the coach to use other consequences beyond playing time. This is like a teacher in class who cant get every student to get an A. Just because there are a couple of flunkers doesn't mean he or she cant teach. That's preposterous. Does it work? You say that you have kids do burpees for missed assignments yet the player is still missing assignments. |
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 11, 2013 12:41:45 GMT -6
I feel better afterwards.
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 11, 2013 12:44:44 GMT -6
If they habitually blow assignments we don't play them. I am afraid this is where we are. |
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Post by coach2013 on Nov 11, 2013 12:45:43 GMT -6
I think its much like behavior mod for a problem child. One act of discipline doesn't fix the childs actions. He will continue to test, staying consistent is the key.
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