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Post by nltdiego on Nov 7, 2013 7:54:51 GMT -6
After numerous occasions where a player was disrespectful towards coaches I suspended a player from the team. The last straw was when he said to me "you come do it yourself" and after silence he said"thats what I thought". His parents have asked for meeting with admin to get him back on the team claiming he did nothing wrong. This is just one story as it was almost a weekly issue with this kid.
What is your policy of dismissing a kid from the team? I do not think this kid should be welcomed back? How does your school or district support you?
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Post by jpdaley25 on Nov 7, 2013 8:17:22 GMT -6
It's your program. What you say goes. No compromise.
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Post by morris on Nov 7, 2013 8:24:40 GMT -6
They can keep him on the team but they can't make you play him. That pretty much sums it up right there. This si also why we have players and parents sign contracts so every thing is clear and spelled out. Kid would of been gone as soon as he said anything like that in practice.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 7, 2013 8:26:18 GMT -6
It's your program. What you say goes. No compromise. Not always the case. Administration may allow him back on the team, but you don't have to play him at all. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards
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Post by newhope on Nov 7, 2013 8:51:28 GMT -6
We explain up front, at our parent meetings, that we will not tolerate disrespect to coaches, bad behavior in the classroom, etc. We let them know that if they don't meet our standards that they will not remain on the team. We make sure the admin is on board with this in advance. I will not coach in a school where they won't support me on this. I don't have to. So, when a kid is disrespectful, misses several practices, constantly misbehaves in school---we get rid of him. Our principal says, "it's your team, I'm not telling you how to run it".
Now, with that said, I did have an issue at my previous school with a very supportive principal. We tossed a JV kid for being disrespectful to our equipment manager. It turned out that the equipment manager may have been slightly at fault. The principal wasn't going to make me let the kid stay--he just advised me that we could end up losing our equipment manager if it got to the district office since he was a volunteer from the community. I let the kid stay. He messed up with me a week later, as I knew he would...gone. I didn't have to worry about someone else taking heat.
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Post by jg78 on Nov 7, 2013 11:45:27 GMT -6
Making your expectations clear up front (through a parents meeting, contract, etc.) and following it up with your administration will prevent a lot of problems down the road. Not sure if you did anything there. But in your case, it sounds like it is going to come down to your administration. If they let me back on the team, I wouldn't play the kid a lick and I would try to leave for another school if I could. Hard to coach somewhere that you can't kick a kid off the team for being disrespectful.
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Post by newhope on Nov 7, 2013 13:42:42 GMT -6
One other thing I should have added: when I kick one off (or anything else happens I think might reach administration) I notify them so that they hear it first from me. Then, when the parent calls, the principal isn't blindsided and has an answer for them as soon as they call--no need to "meet with the parent".
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Post by joelee on Nov 7, 2013 13:54:04 GMT -6
I kicked 3 kids off at once one day before practice because I found out the reason they had skipped the day before and the parents had the Principal and AD waiting for me at the field gate when practice was over.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 7, 2013 14:14:26 GMT -6
I booted a kid. I hauled him in, told him he was done. Told an assistant to oversee the immediate collection of his gear and went to meetings. The player knew it was coming. It was for repeat infractions of team rules for which we already dealt with him once. Then I informed the AD, and moved on.
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Post by fantom on Nov 7, 2013 14:20:19 GMT -6
I booted a kid. I hauled him in, told him he was done. Told an assistant to oversee the immediate collection of his gear and went to meetings. The player knew it was coming. It was for repeat infractions of team rules for which we already dealt with him once. Then I informed the AD, and moved on. We once booted a kid and sent him in with a manager to collect his equipment. Next day Dad calls and sets up a meeting. Wants to know why we sent his kid home wearing nothing but his boxers. Turned out that the kid used to go home to go home after school and change for practice there. Fortunately Dad knew that his son was a little off and accepted our explanation that we had no idea that he didn't have clothes to change into since he never mentioned it.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 8, 2013 10:00:22 GMT -6
I booted a kid. I hauled him in, told him he was done. Told an assistant to oversee the immediate collection of his gear and went to meetings. The player knew it was coming. It was for repeat infractions of team rules for which we already dealt with him once. Then I informed the AD, and moved on. We once booted a kid and sent him in with a manager to collect his equipment. Next day Dad calls and sets up a meeting. Wants to know why we sent his kid home wearing nothing but his boxers. Turned out that the kid used to go home to go home after school and change for practice there. Fortunately Dad knew that his son was a little off and accepted our explanation that we had no idea that he didn't have clothes to change into since he never mentioned it. That's too much, coach!
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Post by dacoachmo on Nov 8, 2013 10:43:16 GMT -6
In this day and age of people seeking legal action for every little thing, I would start a paper trail on an player that becomes a problem. Attendance, behavior, and performance.
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Post by dubber on Nov 8, 2013 21:48:51 GMT -6
It's your program. What you say goes. No compromise. You are either a really good HC.......or not a HC at all.
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Post by maikaione on Nov 8, 2013 23:07:10 GMT -6
It's your program. What you say goes. No compromise. Not always the case. Administration may allow him back on the team, but you don't have to play him at all. I'd just ignore the administration and immediately dismiss him again as soon as he comes back. If they choose the player over you, get a different job.
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Post by falcon44 on Nov 9, 2013 8:13:38 GMT -6
This is always a tough situation.After making it through year 3 at an inner city program and when I took it may have been one of the worst jobs in the state.How did i make it this far?By following my RULES and not bending when the time comes. I am all about 2nd chances but what I will not Tolerate is a player disrespecting me ,my coaches ,the program and the school.I have thrown off some of our best players each year because they try to buck the rules.1. Have strict guidelines -NO EXCEPTIONS 2. If you kick the player off-stand by it.If the Administration forces you to take him back-SIT him.If they do not back your decision than you have some greater issues.As far as the Parents??We have had some unruly ones.They pushed me to the point that I had the police escort a father out,banned a mother.I tell the kids,I dont let you act like that so why should they.They cant force you into playing theyre kid. My Rules ,NO F Bombs,No Racial slurs, No backtalk,No bullying,No disrespect,Maintain a minimum of a C average(Our best LB sat for 6 games because of grades but was the best practice team guy you could ask for.Ya know what I told him?Next year This is is,if you are not eligible to start the season and remain that way -you are No longer a part of our program,I care about you but I have given you every opportunity. The result?A program that had 28 players when I arrived 9-12 to finishing the year with 76.I have never had players sign a contract but I may.I am going to have the Parents sign one though.GOOD LUCK and STAND your ground and by gosh Document everything.
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Post by s73 on Nov 9, 2013 8:22:47 GMT -6
I have an unusual issue in regards to this question. We have a kid in our program that none of us can stand and would love to kick off. Unfortunately, he never quite does enough to justify this. He's just really irritating. He thinks he's really good and he's not. He talks smack & can't back it up, he's super vocal trying to fire guys up at halftime & is the WORST speech maker ever. At halftime almost all of his speeches are different excerpts from movies. It's like were waiting for the Braveheart paint.
The kicker is he works really hard in season & off season but he sucks on D and can't remember what to do on O. So we don't start him & depending on the day his attitude goes from decent to pouty almost on an every other day basis.
Again, nothing that I would say is worthy of kicking off but I cannot stand the kid. He's just really irritating and wines about not starting as a junior. What's he going to be like as a senior? It's actually a comical situation, but in all seriousness he's not good for team chemistry.
Thoughts?
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Post by blb on Nov 9, 2013 8:44:30 GMT -6
I have an unusual issue in regards to this question. We have a kid in our program that none of us can stand and would love to kick off. Unfortunately, he never quite does enough to justify this. He's just really irritating. He thinks he's really good and he's not. He talks smack & can't back it up, he's super vocal trying to fire guys up at halftime & is the WORST speech maker ever. At halftime almost all of his speeches are different excerpts from movies. It's like were waiting for the Braveheart paint. The kicker is he works really hard in season & off season but he sucks on D and can't remember what to do on O. So we don't start him & depending on the day his attitude goes from decent to pouty almost on an every other day basis. Again, nothing that I would say is worthy of kicking off but I cannot stand the kid. He's just really irritating and wines about not starting as a junior. What's he going to be like as a senior? It's actually a comical situation, but in all seriousness he's not good for team chemistry. Thoughts? Why are you letting him make speeches at half time? The only one who talks in our locker room is me except when kids are asking-answering questions. From your description he sounds like a pretty normal 16-year old (15?) to me. Takes some of them longer to mature-for the light bulb to come on. He may be a model citizen as a Senior. It's what you get when coaching HS. This is benign stuff, Coach. Certainly not anywhere near considering firing him. Sounds like a "you" problem. Don't let him bug you so much.
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Post by markusafc on Nov 9, 2013 9:59:04 GMT -6
Coping with the first discipline problem as soon as it starts is very important. It doesn't only show the rest of the kids that you are not going to tolerate such attitude, it also helps you teach them that they need to believe to your program.
We should not take this lightly, as shouldn't take anything lightly. We are not just training kids, we are preparing future professionals and football is probably the game that needs more discipline than any other
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 9, 2013 11:16:14 GMT -6
Not always the case. Administration may allow him back on the team, but you don't have to play him at all. I'd just ignore the administration and immediately dismiss him again as soon as he comes back. If they choose the player over you, get a different job. To me that's kind of juvenile to make the admin "choose" like that. It's like a little kid not getting his way in a pick up game and saying "fine if i can't play quarterback, i'm not playing. If the admin says the player can't get kicked off, most likely it's because they are covering their a$$'s and I'd be okay with that. I would understand, but I would also know ahead of time what i can kick a kid off for so this situation wouldn't happen. And if what the player did was that bad, most likely they will agree with you anyway.
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Post by fantom on Nov 9, 2013 11:25:39 GMT -6
I'd just ignore the administration and immediately dismiss him again as soon as he comes back. If they choose the player over you, get a different job. To me that's kind of juvenile to make the admin "choose" like that. It's like a little kid not getting his way in a pick up game and saying "fine if i can't play quarterback, i'm not playing. If the admin says the player can't get kicked off, most likely it's because they are covering their a$$'s and I'd be okay with that. I would understand, but I would also know ahead of time what i can kick a kid off for so this situation wouldn't happen. And if what the player did was that bad, most likely they will agree with you anyway. I kind of disagree. If I don't have control of the program then I don't want to be there. I wouldn't go so far as to kick the kid off of the team immediately but if the principal forces me to take a kid back I'll finish the season but have my resignation on his desk on Monday right after our last game.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 9, 2013 11:35:02 GMT -6
To me that's kind of juvenile to make the admin "choose" like that. It's like a little kid not getting his way in a pick up game and saying "fine if i can't play quarterback, i'm not playing. If the admin says the player can't get kicked off, most likely it's because they are covering their a$$'s and I'd be okay with that. I would understand, but I would also know ahead of time what i can kick a kid off for so this situation wouldn't happen. And if what the player did was that bad, most likely they will agree with you anyway. I kind of disagree. If I don't have control of the program then I don't want to be there. I wouldn't go so far as to kick the kid off of the team immediately but if the principal forces me to take a kid back I'll finish the season but have my resignation on his desk on Monday right after our last game. No I agree, especially because for me personally, if I kick a kid off a team that means he really messed up more than once, probably more than twice. I'm pretty much saying If I kicked a kid off, the admin would agree because it would be that serious of an issue. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards
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Post by fantom on Nov 9, 2013 11:43:22 GMT -6
I kind of disagree. If I don't have control of the program then I don't want to be there. I wouldn't go so far as to kick the kid off of the team immediately but if the principal forces me to take a kid back I'll finish the season but have my resignation on his desk on Monday right after our last game. No I agree, especially because for me personally, if I kick a kid off a team that means he really messed up more than once, probably more than twice. I'm pretty much saying If I kicked a kid off, the admin would agree because it would be that serious of an issue. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards Alright. I agree that throwing the kid right off the team again is just throwing it in admin's face and adding unnecessary drama, as is resigning immediately.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 9, 2013 11:55:06 GMT -6
And a written policy needs to be in place. That's why in the OP 's case I would understand if the admin let him back on the team. It would be my own fault for not having it in writing.
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Post by s73 on Nov 9, 2013 14:04:07 GMT -6
I have an unusual issue in regards to this question. We have a kid in our program that none of us can stand and would love to kick off. Unfortunately, he never quite does enough to justify this. He's just really irritating. He thinks he's really good and he's not. He talks smack & can't back it up, he's super vocal trying to fire guys up at halftime & is the WORST speech maker ever. At halftime almost all of his speeches are different excerpts from movies. It's like were waiting for the Braveheart paint. The kicker is he works really hard in season & off season but he sucks on D and can't remember what to do on O. So we don't start him & depending on the day his attitude goes from decent to pouty almost on an every other day basis. Again, nothing that I would say is worthy of kicking off but I cannot stand the kid. He's just really irritating and wines about not starting as a junior. What's he going to be like as a senior? It's actually a comical situation, but in all seriousness he's not good for team chemistry. Thoughts? Why are you letting him make speeches at half time? The only one who talks in our locker room is me except when kids are asking-answering questions. From your description he sounds like a pretty normal 16-year old (15?) to me. Takes some of them longer to mature-for the light bulb to come on. He may be a model citizen as a Senior. It's what you get when coaching HS. This is benign stuff, Coach. Certainly not anywhere near considering firing him. Sounds like a "you" problem. Don't let him bug you so much. I would say you have some valid points. As for him talking at halftime, we meet as a staff for a few minutes outside the team room just to clarify our half time adjustments before we address the team. In that time we can hear him screaming movie quotes & other cheese ball stuff before we get in their. It's very awkward. The kid has also been in trouble for athletic code twice so he missed half of the season as a frosh. & his whole sophomore season as well due to codes. I guess it does bug me that a kid that has been in that much trouble doesn't come in a little more humble. I guess I just assumed that when you've only played 5 games in your whole HS career & are only a junior on a varsity team that you would be less likely to whine & pout and withdraw when you aren't getting your way. I think you have validity but I also feel confident it isn't just a "me problem". But to each his own. I appreciate the response.
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Post by fantom on Nov 9, 2013 14:24:00 GMT -6
Why are you letting him make speeches at half time? The only one who talks in our locker room is me except when kids are asking-answering questions. From your description he sounds like a pretty normal 16-year old (15?) to me. Takes some of them longer to mature-for the light bulb to come on. He may be a model citizen as a Senior. It's what you get when coaching HS. This is benign stuff, Coach. Certainly not anywhere near considering firing him. Sounds like a "you" problem. Don't let him bug you so much. I would say you have some valid points. As for him talking at halftime, we meet as a staff for a few minutes outside the team room just to clarify our half time adjustments before we address the team. In that time we can hear him screaming movie quotes & other cheese ball stuff before we get in their. It's very awkward. The kid has also been in trouble for athletic code twice so he missed half of the season as a frosh. & his whole sophomore season as well due to codes. I guess it does bug me that a kid that has been in that much trouble doesn't come in a little more humble. I guess I just assumed that when you've only played 5 games in your whole HS career & are only a junior on a varsity team that you would be less likely to whine & pout and withdraw when you aren't getting your way. I think you have validity but I also feel confident it isn't just a "me problem". But to each his own. I appreciate the response. But you just can't kick him off of the team because you don't like him.
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Post by blb on Nov 9, 2013 14:38:52 GMT -6
Why are you letting him make speeches at half time? The only one who talks in our locker room is me except when kids are asking-answering questions. From your description he sounds like a pretty normal 16-year old (15?) to me. Takes some of them longer to mature-for the light bulb to come on. He may be a model citizen as a Senior. It's what you get when coaching HS. This is benign stuff, Coach. Certainly not anywhere near considering firing him. Sounds like a "you" problem. Don't let him bug you so much. I would say you have some valid points. As for him talking at halftime, we meet as a staff for a few minutes outside the team room just to clarify our half time adjustments before we address the team. In that time we can hear him screaming movie quotes & other cheese ball stuff before we get in their. It's very awkward. The kid has also been in trouble for athletic code twice so he missed half of the season as a frosh. & his whole sophomore season as well due to codes. I guess it does bug me that a kid that has been in that much trouble doesn't come in a little more humble. I guess I just assumed that when you've only played 5 games in your whole HS career & are only a junior on a varsity team that you would be less likely to whine & pout and withdraw when you aren't getting your way. You didn't post any of this in original. Who teaches them what to do at half time? Where are your Captains-Senior leaders? Don't assume anything about teenage kids. Teach them expectations and then hold them accountable.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 9, 2013 14:51:29 GMT -6
I agree that if the admin won't back you, then it's time to move on or let somebody else deal with the headaches. I'm all for keeping kids in the fold when possible, but you can't let one kid ruin the entire team. Makes me think of something Coach Bill Snyder wrote in his book: "I will make decisions that better then entire team. . . ALWAYS".
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 9, 2013 16:06:58 GMT -6
What do the players think of his half time "speeches "? One of our captains always does a little get fired up speech after pre game cal's before we break up and I think they're really corny, but the team seems to listen and buy in so I'm all for it. It's like he's trying to be ray Lewis.
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Post by gibbs72 on Nov 9, 2013 16:16:19 GMT -6
Players that haven't bled/ sweat/ paid-the-price that try to give halftime talks make me laugh: the real players just roll their eyes. Good captains will take care of that problem with a one-on-one chat to show how the system is supposed to work. That sounds like something the players themselves need to address themselves.
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Post by veerman on Nov 9, 2013 18:04:17 GMT -6
It's your program. What you say goes. No compromise. Not always the case. Administration may allow him back on the team, but you don't have to play him at all. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards I disagree, they hired you to do the job. they either support you, or they can find a new coach. Once the kid knows he can talk to you how he pleases even if he don't pay what type of cancer is he going to be inside your program....If the admin don't support you on something like this, they sure won't if something major comes around.
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